The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (118 Viewers)

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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%

  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%

  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%
  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed .
skybluetony176

skybluetony176

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jimmyhillsfanclub said:
Ha ha...are you seriously suggesting that if the country had voted to remain, then the tories would no longer shit all over the labour voting northern regions ever again....ha ha. #awaywiththefairies
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No, I’m clearly not suggesting that. I’m suggesting that Sunderland voting leave was absolutely pointless. Something only strengthened when you read this article from a visiting journalist after the referendum asking the people of Sunderland why they voted leave.
www.theguardian.com

Post-Brexit Sunderland: 'If this money doesn't go to the NHS, I will go mad'

The Labour heartland made the world sit up when it voted 61% to leave the EU. What do its people hope will happen next, and will it be good for the city? Broadcaster Faisal Islam visited to find out
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
TBF no one interviewed mentions funding to the area from the EU. They mention the NHS, a promise thrown under the bus before the ink had even dried on the article. The fishing industry, thrown under the bus before the ink had dried on Boris’ trade deal.
So the question remains for Sunderland possibly more than anywhere else in England. What was the point? No NHS windfall, fishing shat on from a great height and Brexit possibly the last nail in the coffin for the British fishing industry as we know it, a fall in funding for regeneration. Things staying the same at Nissan is not a Brexit windfall. Especially when stacked up against the losses.
 
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PVA

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jimmyhillsfanclub said:
.....and thats funny why?

The North East isn't receiving less money because they voted to leave the EU......its going to receive less money because its a working class northern labour stronghold being shat on by a southern-centric Tory Government.......


...ha ha ha...hilarious.
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Did you even read the article?

That's exactly what has happened.

The turkeys voted for christmas and are now outraged their heads are being chopped off. Yes, that is funny.
 
Ian1779

Ian1779

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skybluetony176 said:
So how do you explain the red wall falling?
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2 issues I feel.

1. party membership demographic does not equal voting demographic especially for Labour
2. Post-industrial towns left to go into decline as they are ignored by the ‘south’ across successive governments, couple with a carefully constructed narrative that their woes are down to immigrants, benefit cheats and ‘woke’ lefties that apparently care more about non-binary people called Sparrow than the working class man.
 
skybluetony176

skybluetony176

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jimmyhillsfanclub said:
By a catastrophic failure of leadership & policy from Labour......its not rocket science.
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I’m not sure offering an alternative to the Boris oven ready deal was a failure. Certainly not a catastrophic one given how it’s turned out. A deal so bad Boris had to reject it himself before Xmas, we now have the ERG (who we must remember insinuated that anyone who wanted to scrutinise the great Boris oven ready deal and subsequent trade deal were traitors and other such nonsensical language of division) calling to dump the Northern Ireland protocol having only a couple of weeks earlier lost their shit along with the rest of the Tories when the EU threatened to do the exact same thing.

The only catastrophic failure was the failure to not take anything this bunch of chancers have to say and promote seriously. Sunderland like the rest of us aren’t going to dodge that bullet.
 
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SG21

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I wondered when Boris etc would use Covid as an excuse for Brexit going poorly, seems like it was quicker then I thought. The new leave supporter bank of england is concerned about the number of financial services leaving London, talk of negative rates from the bank, tory members asking Boris to talk with the EU again.

It's going well 🙄
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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Grendel said:
Well not really. The EU and especially currency equalisation is set to exploit the weaker countries within in to benefit the wealthier nations
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Once again you're mistaking me writing what SHOULD be happening to deal with the problem with what IS happening.

The whole point of what I wrote was what we're currently doing is fucked up and makes no sense as to actually solving the problems like immigration.

I'm saying that what you're writing (amongst other issues) is a massive part of the problem and it doesn't have to be like that. It's a choice, not an inevitability.
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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jimmyhillsfanclub said:
Exactly. A tory decision to reduce funding for the region.
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And what proportion of the time are the Tories in power in this country? You can safely assume that Tories will spend a lot of time in power. You can also safely assume they'll not do a great deal to improve the north, or even stop it stagnating. What has increased the amount the region has received has been through the EU.

So I think you can fairly assume that if you vote to leave the EU the funding you receive from them will at some point not be replaced by a Tory govt.

All the evidence is there. It was pretty much an inevitability.

And yet some places chose leave AND then decided to vote Tory in an election. That's not just turkey voting for Xmas - it's voting for it then going out and buying the meat cleaver and turkey baster.
 
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SG21

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
And what proportion of the time are the Tories in power in this country? You can safely assume that Tories will spend a lot of time in power. You can also safely assume they'll not do a great deal to improve the north, or even stop it stagnating. What has increased the amount the region has received has been through the EU.

So I think you can fairly assume that if you vote to leave the EU the funding you receive from them will at some point not be replaced by a Tory govt.

All the evidence is there. It was pretty much an inevitability.

And yet some places chose leave AND then decided to vote Tory in an election. That's not just turkey voting for Xmas - it's voting for it then going out and buying the meat cleaver and turkey baster.
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Thing is, it's not just the north. Most places in the UK are on their arse thanks to awful choices made by the tories. When they closed all the mines down in Wales, North etc, they replaced it with nothing resulting in huge numbers of people on the doll bored stiff and we're all reaping that action even now as the damage goes on generation to generation. It's the same in Cov. When the car factory jobs went, so did a huge chunk of the workers lives. Out of work and doing nothing, the kids mimic their parents and think it's acceptable as it's all they've ever known.

This is why I'll never understand why people still vote for them. The party should be dead for the damage they've caused. Large parts of the UK will never recover because of their actions.
 
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Ian1779

Ian1779

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Seamus1 said:
Is this the same idiot who was scolded last week by the deputy speaker of the house for inappropriate attire? This new generation of Tory mps just come across as complete idiots...Ben Bradley being another
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Brexit sycophants...
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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Seamus1 said:
Is this the same idiot who was scolded last week by the deputy speaker of the house for inappropriate attire? This new generation of Tory mps just come across as complete idiots...Ben Bradley being another
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Looks very much like we’re going to get some weird hybrid populist party from the Tories, all culture war and government by front page, and Lib Dems Plus from Labour all sensible business strategy, wokery, the environment and pro trade.

#KBF vs #FBPE

Ew.
 
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skybluetony176 said:
No, I’m clearly not suggesting that. I’m suggesting that Sunderland voting leave was absolutely pointless. Something only strengthened when you read this article from a visiting journalist after the referendum asking the people of Sunderland why they voted leave.
www.theguardian.com

Post-Brexit Sunderland: 'If this money doesn't go to the NHS, I will go mad'

The Labour heartland made the world sit up when it voted 61% to leave the EU. What do its people hope will happen next, and will it be good for the city? Broadcaster Faisal Islam visited to find out
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
TBF no one interviewed mentions funding to the area from the EU. They mention the NHS, a promise thrown under the bus before the ink had even dried on the article. The fishing industry, thrown under the bus before the ink had dried on Boris’ trade deal.
So the question remains for Sunderland possibly more than anywhere else in England. What was the point? No NHS windfall, fishing shat on from a great height and Brexit possibly the last nail in the coffin for the British fishing industry as we know it, a fall in funding for regeneration. Things staying the same at Nissan is not a Brexit windfall. Especially when stacked up against the losses.
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Given me an agenda/political point of view and I could go to any city in this country to find vox pops to support that view.
 
skybluetony176

skybluetony176

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shmmeee said:
Yikes. This is a bit spicy. Already know who will agree with what annoyingly but will post if you want to be depressed/angry anyway:

eand.co

How Britain Became the Dumbest Society in the World

Britain is Becoming the World’s Newest Failed State
eand.co eand.co
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That can’t be true. The Express is celebrating the Brexit win of a trade deal with Albania, a first for a European country in their words, wave the flags.

What? What’s that you say? It’s just another continuation deal? Something staying the same is now a Brexit “win”. Wave the flags again.
 
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SBT

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That article is fairly ridiculous, tbh. And I’m no flag waver for Brexit.

The UK economy is likely underperforming (and has underperformed for years) due to Brexit, and exports are scrambled right now, but the economy isn’t having a heart attack. The numbers for February are fairly robust.

NHS patients in London aren’t suddenly going to get £4000 bills for NHS services just because an American-owned company now runs a bunch of surgeries which were already privately owned.

Finally, I don’t really think the comparison of America and Britain both undergoing an austerity-driven lurch to the right is quite right - US fiscal policy was generally expansionary in the immediate crisis years, and yet their move to the right has been much more dramatic than ours. I don’t see a hard right shift in countries where austerity measures were even more extreme either (there was hand-wringing over Golden Dawn in Greece, but they never did anything)

As for Karl Marx being a huge fan of the EU - I’m just not going to go there!
 
clint van damme

clint van damme

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skybluetony176 said:
That can’t be true. The Express is celebrating the Brexit win of a trade deal with Albania, a first for a European country in their words, wave the flags.

What? What’s that you say? It’s just another continuation deal? Something staying the same is now a Brexit “win”. Wave the flags again.
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Albanians already control the import of a popular product that comes in the the UK!
 
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