Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (118 Viewers)

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

Pedantic point of order......No such thing as the UK variant. Its simply the B.1.1.7.

Happy for it to be known as the UK variant provided Sars-cov-2 is re-named as the Wuhan virus.

As you were.

 

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[Evo1883]

Saw reports of people in the U.K. asking questions of nurses about blood clots and the like, slowing down the throughput having to be reassured if nothing else.

Bloody statistically illiterate idiots are going to cost lives.

the odds on getting a clot are something ridiculous like 1 in 420,000.

The odds of dying in a car crash in the UK are something like 1 in 20,000

Bit of common sense needed

 

[Evo1883]

This doesn't look good. Study showing the UK variant to be around 55% more lethal. As we already know its also more transmissible.

Increased mortality in community-tested cases of SARS-CoV-2 lineage B.1.1.7 - Nature

Analysis of community-tested cases of SARS-CoV-2 indicates that the B.1.1.7 variant is not only more transmissible than pre-existing variants, but may also cause more severe illness, and is associated with a higher risk of death.

www.nature.com

QUOTE from that article

This corresponds to the absolute risk of death for a 55–69-year-old male increasing from 0.6% to 0.9%

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

the odds on getting a clot are something ridiculous like 1 in 420,000.

The odds of dying in a car crash in the UK are something like 1 in 20,000

Bit of common sense needed

And that 1 in 420,000 multiplied up to 17 million makes for about 40 cases which is what was reported. It’s a total non story

 

[Skybluefaz]

QUOTE from that article

This corresponds to the absolute risk of death for a 55–69-year-old male increasing from 0.6% to 0.9%

It can be framed in ways that make it sound much worse than it is.

 

[shmmeee]

QUOTE from that article

This corresponds to the absolute risk of death for a 55–69-year-old male increasing from 0.6% to 0.9%

Another 3k deaths per million is nothing to be sniffed at TBF.

Does it matter though? I thought all vaccines were effective against that strain? Obviously sucks if you’re in the third world (or Europe as it’s known ), but shouldn’t change much for us.

 

[It’sabatch87]

Surprise surprise up yours EU!!

Shameless Italy and France admit ban on safe AstraZeneca vaccine is political as EU ‘sulks’ over Brexit

Italy & France resume AstraZeneca rollout after admitting ban was political

ITALY and France will “quickly” resume giving out the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine once the European regulator gives the all-clear. They were among 20 European countries to suspend the us…

www.thesun.co.uk

 

[covmark]

Deaths down by over half on last Tuesday. Cases seem to have levelled off somewhat.

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[skybluetony176]

Surprise surprise up yours EU!!

Shameless Italy and France admit ban on safe AstraZeneca vaccine is political as EU ‘sulks’ over Brexit

Italy & France resume AstraZeneca rollout after admitting ban was political

ITALY and France will “quickly” resume giving out the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine once the European regulator gives the all-clear. They were among 20 European countries to suspend the us…

www.thesun.co.uk

Funniest thing about that is neither of the people who are referenced in the article has said it was about Brexit. The Italian guy said it was political as they were pressured by France and Germany and the French guy said it was specifically about putting pressure on AstraZenica over supply. It also doesn’t explain why Sweden has also halted its use and AstraZenica is a U.K./Swedish company. It’s also not a ban, it’s a suspension.

But hey, when did the Sun ever allow facts to get in the way of their reporting.

 

[Evo1883]

Right or wrong, they are fucking stupid to suspend it

 

[AOM]

Surprise surprise up yours EU!!

Shameless Italy and France admit ban on safe AstraZeneca vaccine is political as EU ‘sulks’ over Brexit

Italy & France resume AstraZeneca rollout after admitting ban was political

ITALY and France will “quickly” resume giving out the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine once the European regulator gives the all-clear. They were among 20 European countries to suspend the us…

www.thesun.co.uk

An anti-EU article from the Sun complaining of something being 'political'

Christ... why do people still read this shite?

 

[shmmeee]

Right or wrong, they are fucking stupid to suspend it

Not as stupid as the yanks who still haven’t approved it.

None of this shit makes sense. Some very silly short term politics being played here for no obvious benefit.

 

[shmmeee]

An anti-EU article from the Sun complaining of something being 'political'

Christ... why do people still read this shite?

Tits and sport and horoscopes.

 

[Evo1883]

Tits and sport and horoscopes.

And dear deidre

 

[AOM]

Tits and sport and horoscopes.

Same reasons I signed up to this site actually

 

[LastGarrison]

Me and the Missus both got our texts to book ours through this morning and booked in for tomorrow.

We’re only 41 so looks like they’re really getting through them. Might book a holiday for 12 weeks on Thursday.

 

[jordan210]

Wow

 

[jordan210]

Wanting to sue a not for profit vaccine. Looks like they will do anything to smear AZ

 

[fernandopartridge]

Wanting to sue a not for profit vaccine. Looks like they will do anything to smear AZ

France can't sue anybody, the contract is between AZ and the European Commission, France is only a recipient. They had better go back to their lawyers.

 

[It’sabatch87]

Wanting to sue a not for profit vaccine. Looks like they will do anything to smear AZ

Their not bitter are they

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

The behaviour of countries in the EU has been disgraceful, the games they are playing will cost lives

 

[Brylowes]

Could you imagine the outcry here if the British public could see the French and Germans all getting vaccinated and us not?

No not really, our government have been getting away with murder since day 1.
No reason to think this would be any different.

 

[Nick]

the odds on getting a clot are something ridiculous like 1 in 420,000.

The odds of dying in a car crash in the UK are something like 1 in 20,000

Bit of common sense needed

What are the odds of dying from COVID?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

What are the odds of dying from COVID?

About one in 450... so far.

Well, arguably lower (higher?0 than that, as that's a rough and ready out of the population. If you did the number of people who've died after having caught it, we're looking at about every one in 34.

 

[Brylowes]

It can be framed in ways that make it sound much worse than it is.

It can, but there’s no getting away from the fact that it’s mutating in the wrong direction.
I thought it was supposed to lose severity with mutations before eventually petering out.

 

[jordan210]

About one in 450... so far.

Well, arguably lower (higher?0 than that, as that's a rough and ready out of the population. If you did the number of people who've died after having caught it, we're looking at about every one in 34.

Also is very heavily depended on age group.


Also taking about age groups anyone 50+ can now book

Book, change, or cancel a COVID-19 vaccination appointment online

Book, change or cancel a COVID-19 vaccination appointment online.

www.nhs.uk

 

[Skybluefaz]

It can, but there’s no getting away from the fact that it’s mutating in the wrong direction.
I thought it was supposed to lose severity with mutations before eventually petering out.

I don't know about that (mutations) . I wasn't trying to downplay the increase either. Merely that 55% increase in mortality sounds scarier than saying it's gone from 0.6 to 0.9.

 

[CCFCSteve]

About one in 450... so far.

Well, arguably lower (higher?0 than that, as that's a rough and ready out of the population. If you did the number of people who've died after having caught it, we're looking at about every one in 34.

Think those numbers are way too high NW (as in the risk is far less for a majority of people)

Bit morbid but if anyone’s interested in an approx calculation of their own risk this is quite interesting. If you’re not too old and relatively healthy then risks are very small (based on current variants)...if you’re the opposite then you might not want to use the below

Covid and your heart

Get the latest coronavirus updates from our experts, including what Covid-19 means for you if you have a heart or circulatory condition.

www.bhf.org.uk

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Think those numbers are way too high NW (as in the risk is far less for a majority of people)

Bit morbid but if anyone’s interested in an approx calculation of their own risk this is quite interesting. If you’re not too old and relatively healthy then risks are very small (based on current variants)...if you’re the opposite then you might not want to use the below

Covid and your heart

Get the latest coronavirus updates from our experts, including what Covid-19 means for you if you have a heart or circulatory condition.

www.bhf.org.uk

That is the risk in the population though, simple division of deaths by population.

Now, if you wanted to skew it you could do all kinds of things, including acknowledging that the risk is as good as it is because we've all been indoors. But basically, the same as road accidents don't account for slow moving pensioners / blind people / people off their heads on drugs etc. so a general risk in population doesn't go for subtlety or nuance.

I'm assuming Nick's point was that given the choice between risk of blood clot or risk of Covid, you'd head for blood clot every time, which seems reasonable.

 

[CCFCSteve]

That is the risk in the population though, simple division of deaths by population.

Now, if you wanted to skew it you could do all kinds of things, including acknowledging that the risk is as good as it is because we've all been indoors. But basically, the same as road accidents don't account for slow moving pensioners / blind people / people off their heads on drugs etc. so a general risk in population doesn't go for subtlety or nuance.

I'm assuming Nick's point was that given the choice between risk of blood clot or risk of Covid, you'd head for blood clot every time, which seems reasonable.

Yeah, understand, Covid has a hugely disproportionate effect on certain groups though (unless very unlucky) so the general population calcs are far more scary than the actual risk for most

ps agree 100%, the risk of a clot from the vaccine appears in line with standard unvaccinated figures. Based on current data I’d take the vaccine every time !

 

[jordan210]

Chart shows some info on age ranges

 

[It’sabatch87]

They just had a British lady on radio 2 and she lives in a town of 18,000 in France and her local GP gets 6 doses of the vaccine a week to share around,Also only 1.5% of adults in Luxembourg have taken up the vaccine.
How sad,Glad were out of the club!!

 

[Skybluefaz]

They just had a British lady on radio 2 and she lives in a town of 18,000 in France and her local GP gets 6 doses of the vaccine a week to share around,Also only 1.5% of adults in Luxembourg have taken up the vaccine.
How sad,Glad were out of the club!!

Why are Malta doing well then considering they are in the EU?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Wow

Poland are struggling so need the vaccines to help

 

[David O'Day]

Poland are struggling so need the vaccines to help

Also the Polish government is in full on deflection mode