Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (259 Viewers)

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

Huge pressure from the travel sector though .
Passports?

This is the problem isn't it.....the huge pressure from the travel, tourism & airlines lobby.

A vaccine passport would be so divisive at present and would only really be a workable possibility after the entire adult population has been offered both jabs......until then, it would just fuel further divide between the generations.

 

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[wingy]

Anyone think easing should happen quicker ?
Certain people in parliament will feel this way.
I think we have to assume potentially schools possibly could have waited until Easter,no doubt the psychological benifet to children will become evident , but not immediately judging by my Grandchildrens not yet being as effusive as before.
Certainly the older of the two anyway.
I'm thinking on this occasion it may be the case that the approach being taken is hopefully sensible while aligning no doubt with the desire of the PM to get this right and leave the impression lasting and finally he got this right which will dispel or overtake any lingering impressions of last years effort .

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Anyone think easing should happen quicker ?
Certain people in parliament will feel this way.
I think we have to assume potentially schools possibly could have waited until Easter,no doubt the psychological benifet to children will become evident , but not immediately judging by my Grandchildrens not yet being as effusive as before.
Certainly the older of the two anyway.
I'm thinking on this occasion it may be the case that the approach being taken is hopefully sensible while aligning no doubt with the desire of the PM to get this right and leave the impression lasting and finally he got this right which will dispel or overtake any lingering impressions of last years effort .

Its hard to predict 3 months into the future. The best way is to go by the data.

 

[jordan210]

Its hard to predict 3 months into the future. The best way is to go by the data.

You have to use Data that is recent. Gov/Sage have a tendency of using out of date data.

Data shows outside transmission for sports is low. Yet you cant play a round of golf or tennis. So not really following data.

 

[clint van damme]

Are Ireland playing some silly political game with this vaccine? Suspending the Oxford one View attachment 19173

Several EU countries suspended it's use though most are predominantly using Pfizer.
But in the UK there have been more incidents of clotting from Pfizer than AZ though both numbers are still incredibly small and in my opinion the risks from interrupting the vaccine program are far greater

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Several EU countries suspended it's use though most are predominantly using Pfizer.
But in the UK there have been more incidents of clotting from Pfizer than AZ though both numbers are still incredibly small and in my opinion the risks from interrupting the vaccine program are far greater

I’d imagine the chances of catching corona are far greater than any side effects anyway. To me it seems purely coincidental

 

[wingy]

This is the problem isn't it.....the huge pressure from the travel, tourism & airlines lobby.

A vaccine passport would be so divisive at present and would only really be a workable possibility after the entire adult population has been offered both jabs......until then, it would just fuel further divide between the generations.

Yes would cause a massive schism between those groups , question is would that be tolerable ,as we have seen it in some part in compliance to restrictions

I'm of the opinion it's likely not.

 

[CCFCSteve]

Anyone think easing should happen quicker ?
Certain people in parliament will feel this way.
I think we have to assume potentially schools possibly could have waited until Easter,no doubt the psychological benifet to children will become evident , but not immediately judging by my Grandchildrens not yet being as effusive as before.
Certainly the older of the two anyway.
I'm thinking on this occasion it may be the case that the approach being taken is hopefully sensible while aligning no doubt with the desire of the PM to get this right and leave the impression lasting and finally he got this right which will dispel or overtake any lingering impressions of last years effort .

Not necessarily quicker but it’s easy to forget that lockdown restrictions are causing huge issues for people (whether that be family, financial, health, mental health etc etc). Also what happens for example, if we waste a period of good weather where we can live normal lives, mix more outside and then a mutant variant comes along which means we are locked back down again later in the year anyway ?!

I think the roadmap was potentially over cautious in term of certain aspects and dates for example my gym had hour sessions of maximum 14 people (could take 40-50 easily), people sanitised/wiped down machines after use and then by staff inbetween sessions. Do I think keeping places like that closed now is doing more harm than good, frankly yes.

Id find it hard to argue against an earlier loosening of certain restrictions if numbers (cases and hospitalisations) remain low, but think most have bought into the current timetable and I do understand the over cautiousness, so just let it play out now I reckon

ps depending on what risky mutations are around I don’t see why people shouldn’t be able to go abroad later in the year if they want...assuming track and trace is operating well/better.

 

[shmmeee]

Not necessarily quicker but it’s easy to forget that lockdown restrictions are causing huge issues for people (whether that be family, financial, health, mental health etc etc). Also what happens for example, if we waste a period of good weather where we can live normal lives, mix more outside and then a mutant variant comes along which means we are locked back down again later in the year anyway ?!

I think the roadmap was potentially over cautious in term of certain aspects and dates for example my gym had hour sessions of maximum 14 people (could take 40-50 easily), people sanitised/wiped down machines after use and then by staff inbetween sessions. Do I think keeping places like that closed now is doing more harm than good, frankly yes.

Id find it hard to argue against an earlier loosening of certain restrictions if numbers (cases and hospitalisations) remain low, but think most have bought into the current timetable and I do understand the over cautiousness, so just let it play out now I reckon

ps depending on what risky mutations are around I don’t see why people shouldn’t be able to go abroad later in the year if they want...assuming track and trace is operating well/better.

Track and trace/voluntary quarantine clearly doesn’t work. And other countries are clearly further behind than we are. I think one more summer of no foreign travel is worth it to be sure we don’t bring back loads of variants we then don’t have capacity to track. Let’s get everyone vaccinated and have a boom of local tourism and hospitality this summer.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I hear you. Just reflecting on Asda Saturday and my mum and the vigil and other gatherings. We forget so quickly what’s possible. If it’s not possible why are we being so slow to open up again I’m your opinion as a scientist

Because it takes weeks for the immunity to develop after the jab and we still have many millions to reach with it. Plus we still need to second jab some 30 odd million people.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Logically yes - there will be need I assume for boosters in winter.

Europe though is a concern as there will be lots of movement across borders I’d expect over the summer and we see Italy with 25,000 cases and Germany up 33% WOW and the fact they are well off the pace vaccine wise and again casting doubt on the Oxford version

Yes which is why I would be very cautious on permitting international travel without proof of vaccination or negative PCR

 

[wingy]

Yes which is why I would be very cautious on permitting international travel without proof of vaccination or negative PCR

So in relation to the discussion just covered probably more cohesive across the population to ban travel or promote vaccine take up .
Or delay until June for younger in population ?
Libertarian diachotomy ahead.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

So in relation to the discussion just covered probably more cohesive across the population to ban travel or promote vaccine take up .
Or delay until June for younger in population ?
Libertarian diachotomy ahead.

I think it would be very unfair to bar those who simply haven’t been offered one. I’m 30 and in OK health so will still be a while.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Case numbers up by 400 today on last monday.

 

[clint van damme]

Case numbers up by 400 today on last monday.

been a massive increase in testing with the return of schools though.
I think a rise in cases is inevitable, it's the deaths/hospitalisations that's crucial.
Deaths only down 1 on lat week today .

 

[ajsccfc]

If Europe are shitting it and suspending vaccines, can they send them back? I'll happily have theirs

 

[Ccfcisparks]

been a massive increase in testing with the return of schools though.
I think a rise in cases is inevitable, it's the deaths/hospitalisations that's crucial.
Deaths only down 1 on lat week today .

Tests looked like they were back to normal to me, around the 1mil mark? I know at some point last week they were at about 1.5m a day.

 

[clint van damme]

Tests looked like they were back to normal to me, around the 1mil mark? I know at some point last week they were at about 1.5m a day.

any idea what todays were compared to last week?

 

[shmmeee]

been a massive increase in testing with the return of schools though.
I think a rise in cases is inevitable, it's the deaths/hospitalisations that's crucial.
Deaths only down 1 on lat week today .

Deaths lag cases by about two weeks though don’t they?

I don’t think weekend deaths mean much, but will be interesting to see where we are tomorrow.

 

[clint van damme]

Deaths lag cases by about two weeks though don’t they?

I don’t think weekend deaths mean much, but will be interesting to see where we are tomorrow.

The deaths do, but the increase in cases could be down to testing in schools.
Hopefully even if it has brought about a rise in cases an increase in deaths/hospitalisations doesn't follow.
Given the data that's coming out about the effectiveness of the vaccination program I'm really confident they won't but it doesn't pay o count your chickens with this bastard of a virus.

 

[covmark]

Tests looked like they were back to normal to me, around the 1mil mark? I know at some point last week they were at about 1.5m a day.

Tests up 62% this last 7 days compared to last week. Also hospitalisations down 26% the last 7 days compared to the previous.

UKHSA data dashboard

Overall summary of the respiratory viruses in circulation within the UK

coronavirus.data.gov.uk

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

The deaths do, but the increase in cases could be down to testing in schools.
Hopefully even if it has brought about a rise in cases an increase in deaths/hospitalisations doesn't follow.
Given the data that's coming out about the effectiveness of the vaccination program I'm really confident they won't but it doesn't pay o count your chickens with this bastard of a virus.

We have had a few half cohorts sent home due to cases but they have also allowed us out of the box if we have a mask on.

 

[shmmeee]

The deaths do, but the increase in cases could be down to testing in schools.
Hopefully even if it has brought about a rise in cases an increase in deaths/hospitalisations doesn't follow.
Given the data that's coming out about the effectiveness of the vaccination program I'm really confident they won't but it doesn't pay o count your chickens with this bastard of a virus.

Is there a breakdown by age for the testing? That would be interesting.

 

[Ian1779]

been a massive increase in testing with the return of schools though.
I think a rise in cases is inevitable, it's the deaths/hospitalisations that's crucial.
Deaths only down 1 on lat week today .

We did over 2000 tests on kids over the last week, and didn’t have a single positive. Let’s hope that’s a flavour of what’s happening across the country.

 

[clint van damme]

Is there a breakdown by age for the testing? That would be interesting.

had a quick look, there is something available from last year but I can't see anything current.

 

[covmark]

Spain now the latest to suspend the AZ vaccine. Anyone else finding all this a bit odd. 40 cases of blood clots out of 17 million vaccinations. With AZ saying according to their data, you're less likely to have a blood clot after having the vaccine, than if you haven't had it.

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[wingy]

Outside of the box of possibly making political capitol to defend failures.
Are there any economic benefactors of the situation ?

 

[clint van damme]

Spain now the latest to suspend the AZ vaccine. Anyone else finding all this a bit odd. 40 cases of blood clots out of 17 million vaccinations. With AZ saying according to their data, you're less likely to have a blood clot after having the vaccine, than if you haven't had it.

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it is odd, you're right.
To be honest, even if it was proven that it had caused the clotting, I'd still take it given the odds on getting clots and the odds on getting Covid.

 

[covmark]

it is odd, you're right.
To be honest, even if it was proven that it had caused the clotting, I'd still take it given the odds on getting clots and the odds on getting Covid.

Yeah, that's where I am tbh. The odds of getting a clot would be miniscule compared to getting covid without a vaccine.

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[wingy]

Certain nations seem to be picking up the slack with orders from individual nations.
Russia seems to be one .

 

[covmark]

Outside of the box of possibly making political capitol to defend failures.
Are there any economic benefactors of the situation ?

Seems a bit too reckless for it to be politically motivated. More people are going to get ill because of the delay, and also it'll surely affect vaccine take up, in already sceptical countries.


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[David O'Day]

Ministers frustrated with PM's 'mistakes' ahead of Covid second wave

Senior figures tell the BBC Boris Johnson should have been tougher in the autumn to prevent more deaths.

www.bbc.co.uk

Tory ministers look to protect themselves and throw Boris to the wolves

 

[wingy]

Seems a bit too reckless for it to be politically motivated. More people are going to get ill because of the delay, and also it'll surely affect vaccine take up, in already sceptical countries.


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So that would leave commercial entities.
Any connections nationally to other vaccine manufacturers.
Remembering I think Swedens Zeneca one of the Nordic block initially pausing are part of our at cost vaccine .
Other makers are not.

 

[Ian1779]

Ministers frustrated with PM's 'mistakes' ahead of Covid second wave

Senior figures tell the BBC Boris Johnson should have been tougher in the autumn to prevent more deaths.

www.bbc.co.uk

Tory ministers look to protect themselves and throw Boris to the wolves

Was inevitable. It will be the beginning of the plan to oust him.

 

[wingy]

I'm not so sure about that but maybe a dialogue starting to assuage the argument .
Which would be exacerbated had some his colleague's pressed more and achieved earlier opening up.
He's currently gold for them across the country right now,and will be required to maintain the plethora of initiatives of sticking it to the EU and solidyfing the union IMO.

Edit :- by starting the debate now done and dusted before the inquiry.
And tend to know how they proceed don't we.