shmmeee
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EU is fine with it. It’s random countries in the EU plus a few elsewhere vs AZ it seems.
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EU is fine with it. It’s random countries in the EU plus a few elsewhere vs AZ it seems.
shmmeee
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Its not risk averse. It’s very very risky to pause vaccine rollout for anything you’re not 100% of. More will die and be disabled from COVID than any of these side effects even if true.
I’m not one for nationalism, but I can’t help but feel other countries have got this very very wrong. FWIW I don’t think we got it right intentionally, it’s just this decision lined up with our own childish need to press ahead regardless and open the economy.
Grendel
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Its not risk adverse it’s just illogical
chiefdave
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This doesn't look good. Study showing the UK variant to be around 55% more lethal. As we already know its also more transmissible.
www.nature.com
Increased mortality in community-tested cases of SARS-CoV-2 lineage B.1.1.7 - Nature
Analysis of community-tested cases of SARS-CoV-2 indicates that the B.1.1.7 variant is not only more transmissible than pre-existing variants, but may also cause more severe illness, and is associated with a higher risk of death.
www.nature.com
jimmyhillsfanclub
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Pedantic point of order......No such thing as the UK variant. Its simply the B.1.1.7.
Happy for it to be known as the UK variant provided Sars-cov-2 is re-named as the Wuhan virus.
As you were.
Happy for it to be known as the UK variant provided Sars-cov-2 is re-named as the Wuhan virus.
As you were.
Evo1883
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the odds on getting a clot are something ridiculous like 1 in 420,000.
The odds of dying in a car crash in the UK are something like 1 in 20,000
Bit of common sense needed
Evo1883
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This doesn't look good. Study showing the UK variant to be around 55% more lethal. As we already know its also more transmissible.
Increased mortality in community-tested cases of SARS-CoV-2 lineage B.1.1.7 - Nature
Analysis of community-tested cases of SARS-CoV-2 indicates that the B.1.1.7 variant is not only more transmissible than pre-existing variants, but may also cause more severe illness, and is associated with a higher risk of death.
QUOTE from that article
This corresponds to the absolute risk of death for a 55–69-year-old male increasing from 0.6% to 0.9%
Brighton Sky Blue
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And that 1 in 420,000 multiplied up to 17 million makes for about 40 cases which is what was reported. It’s a total non story
Skybluefaz
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It can be framed in ways that make it sound much worse than it is.
shmmeee
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Another 3k deaths per million is nothing to be sniffed at TBF.
Does it matter though? I thought all vaccines were effective against that strain? Obviously sucks if you’re in the third world (or Europe as it’s known
), but shouldn’t change much for us.
SomersetSB
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Surprise surprise up yours EU!!
Shameless Italy and France admit ban on safe AstraZeneca vaccine is political as EU ‘sulks’ over Brexit
www.thesun.co.uk
Shameless Italy and France admit ban on safe AstraZeneca vaccine is political as EU ‘sulks’ over Brexit
Italy & France resume AstraZeneca rollout after admitting ban was political
ITALY and France will “quickly” resume giving out the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine once the European regulator gives the all-clear. They were among 20 European countries to suspend the us…
www.thesun.co.uk
skybluetony176
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Funniest thing about that is neither of the people who are referenced in the article has said it was about Brexit. The Italian guy said it was political as they were pressured by France and Germany and the French guy said it was specifically about putting pressure on AstraZenica over supply. It also doesn’t explain why Sweden has also halted its use and AstraZenica is a U.K./Swedish company. It’s also not a ban, it’s a suspension.Surprise surprise up yours EU!!
Shameless Italy and France admit ban on safe AstraZeneca vaccine is political as EU ‘sulks’ over Brexit
Italy & France resume AstraZeneca rollout after admitting ban was political
ITALY and France will “quickly” resume giving out the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine once the European regulator gives the all-clear. They were among 20 European countries to suspend the us…
But hey, when did the Sun ever allow facts to get in the way of their reporting.
AOM
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Surprise surprise up yours EU!!
Shameless Italy and France admit ban on safe AstraZeneca vaccine is political as EU ‘sulks’ over Brexit
Italy & France resume AstraZeneca rollout after admitting ban was political
ITALY and France will “quickly” resume giving out the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine once the European regulator gives the all-clear. They were among 20 European countries to suspend the us…
An anti-EU article from the Sun complaining of something being 'political'
Christ... why do people still read this shite?
shmmeee
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Not as stupid as the yanks who still haven’t approved it.
None of this shit makes sense. Some very silly short term politics being played here for no obvious benefit.
Evo1883
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And dear deidre
AOM
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Same reasons I signed up to this site actually
LastGarrison
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Me and the Missus both got our texts to book ours through this morning and booked in for tomorrow.
We’re only 41 so looks like they’re really getting through them. Might book a holiday for 12 weeks on Thursday.
We’re only 41 so looks like they’re really getting through them. Might book a holiday for 12 weeks on Thursday.
fernandopartridge
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France can't sue anybody, the contract is between AZ and the European Commission, France is only a recipient. They had better go back to their lawyers.
SomersetSB
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SkyBlueDom26
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The behaviour of countries in the EU has been disgraceful, the games they are playing will cost lives
Brylowes
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No not really, our government have been getting away with murder since day 1.
No reason to think this would be any different.
Nick
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About one in 450... so far.
Well, arguably lower (higher?0 than that, as that's a rough and ready out of the population. If you did the number of people who've died after having caught it, we're looking at about every one in 34.
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Brylowes
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It can, but there’s no getting away from the fact that it’s mutating in the wrong direction.
I thought it was supposed to lose severity with mutations before eventually petering out.
jordan210
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Also is very heavily depended on age group.
Also taking about age groups anyone 50+ can now book
Book, change, or cancel a COVID-19 vaccination appointment online
Book, change or cancel a COVID-19 vaccination appointment online.
www.nhs.uk
Skybluefaz
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I don't know about that (mutations) . I wasn't trying to downplay the increase either. Merely that 55% increase in mortality sounds scarier than saying it's gone from 0.6 to 0.9.
Think those numbers are way too high NW (as in the risk is far less for a majority of people)
Bit morbid but if anyone’s interested in an approx calculation of their own risk this is quite interesting. If you’re not too old and relatively healthy then risks are very small (based on current variants)...if you’re the opposite then you might not want to use the below
Covid and your heart
Get the latest coronavirus updates from our experts, including what Covid-19 means for you if you have a heart or circulatory condition.
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That is the risk in the population though, simple division of deaths by population.Think those numbers are way too high NW (as in the risk is far less for a majority of people)
Bit morbid but if anyone’s interested in an approx calculation of their own risk this is quite interesting. If you’re not too old and relatively healthy then risks are very small (based on current variants)...if you’re the opposite then you might not want to use the below
Covid and your heart
Get the latest coronavirus updates from our experts, including what Covid-19 means for you if you have a heart or circulatory condition.www.bhf.org.uk
Now, if you wanted to skew it you could do all kinds of things, including acknowledging that the risk is as good as it is because we've all been indoors. But basically, the same as road accidents don't account for slow moving pensioners / blind people / people off their heads on drugs etc. so a general risk in population doesn't go for subtlety or nuance.
I'm assuming Nick's point was that given the choice between risk of blood clot or risk of Covid, you'd head for blood clot every time, which seems reasonable.
Yeah, understand, Covid has a hugely disproportionate effect on certain groups though (unless very unlucky) so the general population calcs are far more scary than the actual risk for most
ps agree 100%, the risk of a clot from the vaccine appears in line with standard unvaccinated figures. Based on current data I’d take the vaccine every time !
