School Protests (12 Viewers)

[skybluetony176]

The fact is the only reason people would not do it is they are terrified of the savagery and brutality from the Islam rent a mob band of brothers. Any other religion is fair game on anything

Dave Allen would I suspect not have lived very long if he’d dressed up in full moss garb

I wouldn’t do it for the same reasons I wouldn’t desecrate a church. I have a very basic level of respect for people’s religion even though I don’t have a religion myself. It’s just good manners at a very basic level.

 

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[skybluetony176]

You are fucking hard work, Tony.

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It’s a genuine question. You’re not clear in your post who you think are pissing their pants.

 

[TomRad85]

I wouldn’t do it for the same reasons I wouldn’t desecrate a church. I have a very basic level of respect for people’s religion even though I don’t have a religion myself. It’s just good manners at a very basic level.

Desecrating a church isn't comparable. That would be comparable to say, I don't know, desecrating a mosque. No reasonable person would do either.

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[skybluetony176]

Desecrating a church isn't comparable. That would be comparable to say, I don't know, desecrating a mosque. No reason person would do either.

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Both happen and the fact is there isn’t a Christian equivalent to not having images of Allah. It’s common practice in the Christian faith to have imagery of important figures of the faith. It’s a fundamental difference that means I can’t give a like for like example. But if there was a like for like equivalent I wouldn’t do that either. For the same reason.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

This thread's gone (more!) weird.

 

[mrtrench]

You are fucking hard work, Tony.

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He always is - it's his USP. I came to the conclusion long ago that he's not someone who considers issues before taking a stance, he has simply decided he's on the Left and then copies everything he thinks he's supposed to think. I bet there's not one subject that he doesn't have strong opinions on. Nuance be damned! Get thee behind me uncertainty!

It feel like the right time to quote Betrand Russell:

" The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. "

 

[skybluetony176]

" The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. "

That’s everyone on here otherwise I wouldn’t have people telling me I’m wrong.

 

[Evo1883]

I see we're back on the subject of bacon sarnies again. Probably a more useful thing to teach in school i.e. things about reality rather than imaginary friends.

I've made my feelings perfectly clear here ...lay off the bacon sarnies

 

[TomRad85]

I've made my feelings perfectly clear here ...lay off the bacon sarnies

Not sure the video was necessary. No one wants to see that.

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[Deleted member 5849]

Not sure the video was necessary. No one wants to see that.

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tbf, the age restricted warning suggested it was something not worth watching while tucking into my lunch so... I didn't.

 

[TomRad85]

tbf, the age restricted warning suggested it was something not worth watching while tucking into my lunch so... I didn't.

I'd leave it that way if I were you.

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

He still wouldn’t have said that to the suffragettes or the poll tax protesters though would he?

Neither of those wants this country to be a theocracy

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Both happen and the fact is there isn’t a Christian equivalent to not having images of Allah. It’s common practice in the Christian faith to have imagery of important figures of the faith. It’s a fundamental difference that means I can’t give a like for like example. But if there was a like for like equivalent I wouldn’t do that either. For the same reason.

Hasn’t always been the case of course

 

[Deleted member 4439]

Not sure the video was necessary. No one wants to see that.

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Seriously? You don't think it educational? Far more worthy subject to be on any curriculum than discussing who's God of all things wise and wonderful is best, don't you think?

 

[skybluetony176]

Neither of those wants this country to be a theocracy

Now you’re just been melodramatic.

 

[skybluetony176]

Hasn’t always been the case of course

You’re right Pete, it hasn’t. But that is the current state of play.

 

[Evo1883]

Seriously? You don't think it educational? Far more worthy subject to be on any curriculum than discussing who's God of all things wise and wonderful is best, don't you think?

Ultimately its not a nice video, but at the same time hasn't put me off bacon

 

[shmmeee]

Would you have told the suffragettes to leave the country if they don’t like the rules?
Would you have told the Poll Tax protesters to leave the country if they don’t like the rules?
No, of course you wouldn’t. All those people would have been “happier” elsewhere at that moment in time. Why should it be different this time.
I don’t think you’re the Tommy Robinson type for one moment but I’ll tell you what. All the Tommy Robinson types will be cheering your view on that and as a rule of thumb if Tommy Robinson types are saying it’s right chances are it’s wrong.

A racist told me the sky is blue, therefore is must be red. Makes sense.

wow you are seriously equating differing economic theory to this?

Weird

Do I think polticial and religious beliefs deserve equal respect? Yes I do.

Are you pretending to not understand analogies for faux offence because you’ve lost the argument? Yes you are.

 

[Grendel]

I think The Tonester has logged into his Obtuse account by mistake

 

[Deleted member 4439]

Ultimately its not a nice video, but at the same time hasn't put me off bacon

How about eggs?

 

[shmmeee]

Better luck next time vegans!

 

[Evo1883]

How about eggs?

Why do they have to kill the chick's like that , I don't understand?

For what purpose I mean ?

 

[TomRad85]

Why do they have to kill the chick's like that , I don't understand?

For what purpose I mean ?

Because the males serve no purpose. Again its disgusting.

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[Evo1883]

Because the males serve no purpose. Again its disgusting.

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It is tbh

 

[Evo1883]

How many vegans do we have on the forum ?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

How many vegans do we have on the forum ?

This is not the direction I expected this thread to take!

 

[Grendel]

This is not the direction I expected this thread to take!

Well it is sort of relevant in terms of education.

 

[Deleted member 4439]

Why do they have to kill the chick's like that , I don't understand?

For what purpose I mean ?

And in terms of the method then it's because it's more efficient than stunning, though arguably as quick. Males calves are usually just shot.

 

[Evo1883]

This is not the direction I expected this thread to take!

I didn't expect to see chick's being grinded either to be honest

 

[Grendel]

And in terms of the method then it's because it's more efficient than stunning, though arguably as quick. Males calves are usually just shot.

I must admit I never find the vegetarian argument much point on animal welfare when in fact the dairy industry is even worse

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I must admit I never find the vegetarian argument much point on animal welfare when in fact the dairy industry is even worse

I'll never understand people who eat fish, but not meat, on ethical grounds, either.

Then again, I suppose you can dial down contradictions in just about everything we do if you really want to.

 

[TomRad85]

I didn't expect to see chick's being grinded either to be honest

Chicks being grinded sounds like the Jumpin Jaks dance floor.

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[Grendel]

I'll never understand people who eat fish, but not meat, on ethical grounds, either.

Then again, I suppose you can dial down contradictions in just about everything we do if you really want to.

I can see it actually in terms of sentient awareness

I guess in the end in 300 years people will be looking at our society with bewilderment at our barbarism in the same way we can’t understand why 300 years ago we bought and sold slaves

 

[skybluetony176]

A racist told me the sky is blue, therefore is must be red. Makes sense.


Do I think polticial and religious beliefs deserve equal respect? Yes I do.

Are you pretending to not understand analogies for faux offence because you’ve lost the argument? Yes you are.

You should take what I said literally instead of adding context to it. I quite clearly said chances are.

 

[Evo1883]

I'll never understand people who eat fish, but not meat, on ethical grounds, either.

Then again, I suppose you can dial down contradictions in just about everything we do if you really want to.

I mean we are strange in many ways ..I wouldn't eat a dog , but would eat a pig no problem .
That's the same with many fish and animals .

It would be different if we were hunting our own food purely to survive , I'd feel something for the animal but at the same time I was feeding my family.