Keogh bid accepted (21 Viewers)

[lordsummerisle]

If Leon Barnett can then Keogh can - no worries. Better tackler and much better on the ball. Also - more versatile than most of the others he's being compared to in the thread.

You can't solely judge a player on who he plays for or moves to. I'm guessing you think Matt Le Tissier was crap?

No, but he played his entire career in the top flight, and was wanted by teams like Manchester United, not really a comparison with Keogh is it?

Unless of course, he's turned down offers from Prem and top Championship clubs because he really likes walks round the Peak District?

How is Keogh rated by independent observers? Not just some Coventry fans?

 

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[Grendel]

No, but he played his entire career in the top flight, and was wanted by teams like Manchester United, not really a comparison with Keogh is it?

Unless of course, he's turned down offers from Prem and top Championship clubs because he really likes walks round the Peak District?

How is Keogh rated by independent observers? Not just some Coventry fans?

I've heard it's the cable car ride at Matlock Bath that swung the deal. Made Spurs easy to resist.

 

[lordsummerisle]

I've heard it's the cable car ride at Matlock Bath that swung the deal. Made Spurs easy to resist.

He's going to be missing out on the Bakewell Tarts now that he's married though.

 

[Mary_Mungo_Midge]

Keogh could play a part in a squad for a lower down Prem team. He would do OK for a backs to the wall defence. Just like he has done for us. He would cut crosses out for whoever he plays for.

I remember the same assertions being made of Dann, when we didn't have the games to test the claims. Then we drew Chelsea in the cup and Drogba tore him a new arse; and suddenly it became apparent that he wasn't as good as the caccooned few had hoped he was

 

[dongonzalos]

I remember the same assertions being made of Dann, when we didn't have the games to test the claims. Then we drew Chelsea in the cup and Drogba tore him a new arse; and suddenly it became apparent that he wasn't as good ad the caccooned few had hoped he was

To be fair, if Drogba was on his day, I don't think any defender could stop him

 

[lordsummerisle]

I remember the same assertions being made of Dann, when we didn't have the games to test the claims. Then we drew Chelsea in the cup and Drogba tore him a new arse; and suddenly it became apparent that he wasn't as good ad the caccooned few had hoped he was

He was good enough to play in the Prem, and did.

If being torn a new arsehole by Drogba means you're not qualified to defend at the top level, then there won't be any defenders in the top leagues in Europe.

Now, if it had been by Carroll?

 

[dongonzalos]

Never mentioned Barnet, was awful for us, but seems to be doing okay in the Prem.

Ward is a better player than Keogh, also doing well in the Prem. Dann, Fox, Warnock, Davenport all better footballers and defenders than Keogh.

Keogh moving from a team that got relegated to League One, to one that could possibly get relegated next year, certainly be closer to that than promotion.

Apologies, as I say did not re read through all the posts, just saw the one that suggested you were saying Ward and Barnet are better than Keogh.

Still going to abuse it as any opportunity to get my West Ham AT comment in though.

Do not think Davneport or Ward are better than Keogh.
Fox and Warnock cant be compared as different positions.

Guess we wont know till Keogh does it for a club not fighting relegation and then either gets promoted or signed by a prem team.

Ward's concentration was terrible. Play well all game then ruin it with a moment of madness reminded of what David James always used to do.

 

[RichieGunns]

I remember the same assertions being made of Dann, when we didn't have the games to test the claims. Then we drew Chelsea in the cup and Drogba tore him a new arse; and suddenly it became apparent that he wasn't as good as the caccooned few had hoped he was

But you have to admit, Droga is a different class of player. Yeh he's in the twilight of his playing career but he's still a force to be reckoned with. Poor Scott Dann just wasn't up to his level, nor did he have a chance, although i still rate him. Maybe with age he will become a stronger player...you never know!

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

Nonleague thinks that Bigi is a £25million pound player, and that Keogh, McPake and Deegan are some of the best players he seen at the club, and that Baker and Bell are also very good players.

None of these statements are true. For a start I said Gael was a potential 25m player. And none of those players are amongst the best I've seen play for the club-I never said that. Do you even know how long I've been a supporter?

As far as Baker and Bell goes-they have plenty of bad moments, but are confidence players. On their day they are capable of good things, and as they play for CCFC, I want them to do well. It's called "supporting".

Still, given that I haven't been on here for a while, it is hilarious to see you obsessively (mis) quoting me all over the place! You sad, sad sad little man.

 

[lordsummerisle]

None of these statements are true. For a start I said Gael was a potential 25m player. And none of those players are amongst the best I've seen play for the club-I never said that. Do you even know how long I've been a supporter?

As far as Baker and Bell goes-they have plenty of bad moments, but are confidence players. On their day they are capable of good things, and as they play for CCFC, I want them to do well. It's called "supporting".

Still, given that I haven't been on here for a while, it is hilarious to see you obsessively (mis) quoting me all over the place! I'm a sad, sad sad little man.

It's called supporting?

How are your principles holding up by the way?

Still making up, what you always call "facts", about McPakes great(rather didn't happen) 9 match unbeaten run, then being injured and the cause of our 10 match run without a win(despite playing in 5 of them)?

Was wondering how much you valued Fleck and Clarke at anyway(potentially)?

Before Bigi went you said that Clarke was the best prospect in our squad after Fleck, so Clarke, £40miliion, Fleck £50million?

Stop talking bollocks, then won't need to quote it back to you, perhaps with a bit of hyperbole thrown in.

 

[Sutty]

Ward's concentration was terrible. Play well all game then ruin it with a moment of madness reminded of what David James always used to do.

Reminds me of a certain Derby-bound centre back...

Keogh's a good Championship defender but he'd get torn apart in the Premier League by clever strikers. His positional sense is pretty poor, and at the top level strikers only need half a yard of room to punish you.

He's a hard worker. He'll work on this fault and could go on to be a good Premier League defender.

The idea that he's somehow amongst the best in the division however, is absolutely ludicrous as far as I'm concerned.

 

[lordsummerisle]

The idea that he's somehow amongst the best in the division however, is absolutely ludicrous as far as I'm concerned.

You can't say that on here, it's like going to the Vatican to have an audience with the Pope, and saying "This God stuff, load of bollocks really isn't it?"

 

[SydneySkyBlue]

No, but he played his entire career in the top flight, and was wanted by teams like Manchester United, not really a comparison with Keogh is it?

Unless of course, he's turned down offers from Prem and top Championship clubs because he really likes walks round the Peak District?

How is Keogh rated by independent observers? Not just some Coventry fans?

Just so I'm clear on this, your logic would say then that Leon Barnett is a better player than Keogh?

 

[lordsummerisle]

Just so I'm clear on this, your logic would say then that Leon Barnett is a better player than Keogh?

On the basis that Norwich haven't tried to get Keogh in to replace Barnett then yes.

He was awful for us, seeming to do okay for Norwich at a higher level.

Bellamy was awful for us, but been a pretty good player everywhere else.

Juke was good for us though, so by your logic, Juke is a better player than Bellamy.

 

[RichieGunns]

Bellamy was awful for us, but been a pretty good player everywhere else.

Really?? :thinking about: You know i don't think he was. I watched him play on two occassions and listened on all the others and he played good. He wasn't the best but he wasn't the worst either.

Also if he'd played awful like you say, would anyone have come in for him? Probably not because they would have seen how awful he was and gone "nah lets spend our cash on someone who plays good"

 

[lordsummerisle]

Really?? :thinking about: You know i don't think he was. I watched him play on two occassions and listened on all the others and he played good. He wasn't the best but he wasn't the worst either.

Also if he'd played awful like you say, would anyone have come in for him? Probably not because they would have seen how awful he was and gone "nah lets spend our cash on someone who plays good"

Only really remember a couple of good games when he stood out and looked worth the money we spent on him, and went to all the home games that season, and a fair proportion of the away too.

Leicester at home was good, in fact don't remember the second of the couple that he was good, so might be only one!

Wasn't necessarily his fault that we bought him after spending a year out injured, lack of real fitness and expectation after replacing Keane what really made it worse for him.

Besides it was Newcastle who bought him from us, in those days they'd have paid £6million for an asthmatic ant carrying a load of heavy shopping.

 

[ajsccfc]

Or even worse, Jean-Alain Boumsong.

 

[TommyAtkins]

No, but he played his entire career in the top flight, and was wanted by teams like Manchester United, not really a comparison with Keogh is it?

Unless of course, he's turned down offers from Prem and top Championship clubs because he really likes walks round the Peak District?

How is Keogh rated by independent observers? Not just some Coventry fans?

That last point is particularly important. And is applies to every issue concerning CCFC.

Sometimes, one has to be objective - take a step back and consider.

No one outside of a select few Cov fans would ever consider Gael to be a potential £25 million player. Equally, given our situation and given that Keogh wants to leave, the fee offered by Derby is a realistic price.

 

[Astute]

Who says Keogh wants to leave? Has he handed in a transfer request? SISU have received an offer they are happy with. They say the club can talk with Keogh. Nowhere has it ever said he wants to leave. Maybe a contract has been offered that he is not happy with, but we don't even know that for sure.

 

[TommyAtkins]

Who says Keogh wants to leave? Has he handed in a transfer request? SISU have received an offer they are happy with. They say the club can talk with Keogh. Nowhere has it ever said he wants to leave. Maybe a contract has been offered that he is not happy with, but we don't even know that for sure.

It is implicit in what Thorn has said on several occasions.

Very few players nowadays ask for a transfer; they would lose a loyalty bonus.

Keogh has very clearly refused to sign a new contract and now the club either sell or risk losing him for free.

I think we can take as very likely that Keogh, through his agent, has made it clear he wants out

 

[SydneySkyBlue]

On the basis that Norwich haven't tried to get Keogh in to replace Barnett then yes.

He was awful for us, seeming to do okay for Norwich at a higher level.

Bellamy was awful for us, but been a pretty good player everywhere else.

Juke was good for us though, so by your logic, Juke is a better player than Bellamy.

So Keogh's been a much better player for us than Barnett was yet could never become a Premiership player like Barnett??*:thinking about:

Your logic's letting you down a bit there isn't it?

Here's an idea, how about trusting your own judgement of a player rather than waiting for a Premiership manager to do it for you then jumping on the bandwagon... (Pot. Kettle. Black.)

 

[lordsummerisle]

So Keogh's been a much better player for us than Barnett was yet could never become a Premiership player like Barnett??*:thinking about:

Your logic's letting you down a bit there isn't it?

Here's an idea, how about trusting your own judgement of a player rather than waiting for a Premiership manager to do it for you then jumping on the bandwagon... (Pot. Kettle. Black.)

Logic is something which is a bit of a mystery to you isn't it?

You're good enough for The Prem if you have never played there, been linked with a club who play there, or with a club likely to get there?

If you have played in the Prem, or actually play in the Prem then you're not good enough for the Prem?

Upside down thinking at all?

I am trusting my own judgement, Keogh is a reasonable Championship player, he's nowhere near good enough for The Premiership.

You can say "I told you so" when he plays in The Premiership.

Won't be holding my breath.

 

[Sick Boy]

Dann, Fox and Ward have played at higher levels than he is going.

Turner is better than him as well. More mad and delusional comments from certain posters I see.

 

[lordsummerisle]

Turner is better than him as well. More mad and delusional comments from certain posters I see.

Heretic!

Eternal Damnation will be your reward.

 

[shmmeee]

In terms of actual defensive ability (ie marking, tackling, positioning, etc) Keogh wasn't even one of the best at the club last season let alone in the league.

He's a trier and for that deserves credit, but is a very limited footballer as shown by the teams in for him.

I think if he went to a top half Champ club it'd have to be as a right back.

 

[SydneySkyBlue]

Logic is something which is a bit of a mystery to you isn't it?

You're good enough for The Prem if you have never played there, been linked with a club who play there, or with a club likely to get there?

If you have played in the Prem, or actually play in the Prem then you're not good enough for the Prem?

Upside down thinking at all?

I am trusting my own judgement, Keogh is a reasonable Championship player, he's nowhere near good enough for The Premiership.

You can say "I told you so" when he plays in The Premiership.

Won't be holding my breath.

I would suggest that you lost all credibility when you said that Keogh could never be the player that Leon Barnett is!

We could all see that Barnett had good assets to his game when he played for us (I would hazard a guess that couldn't) but was let down by his composure. If Barnett can now cut it in the Premiership then why couldn't Keogh? Even if you don't think Barnett can cut it, why couldn't Keogh play at the same level if Barnett can?

You are suggesting that a player could never be good enough to play in the Premiership unless he already plays there. Nonsensical.

 

[Astute]

I think we can take as very likely that Keogh, through his agent, has made it clear he wants out

This is the problem. As you say, you think. We don't know. You don't know. I don't know. We will have a better idea when the club releases a statement. If he wanted to go they will say so. If he didn't they will word it as though he did but won't say so.

 

[Sick Boy]

This is the problem. As you say, you think. We don't know. You don't know. I don't know. We will have a better idea when the club releases a statement. If he wanted to go they will say so. If he didn't they will word it as though he did but won't say so.

If he wants to stay then why doesn't he sign the contract he has been offered?

 

[mattylad]

This is the problem. As you say, you think. We don't know. You don't know. I don't know. We will have a better idea when the club releases a statement. If he wanted to go they will say so. If he didn't they will word it as though he did but won't say so.

From what I was told yesterday no contract was offered to Keogh, "discussions" took place with his agent and it was made clear the player was happy to honour his current contract and then open negotiations depending on what league we are in and we all know what that would have meant yet another Clingan, Gunnar, King, Westwood, Platt farce. So its adios RK.

 

[Astute]

If he wants to stay then why doesn't he sign the contract he has been offered?

Lets say he is on 4k a week. He got offered 2k a week as we are now Div3. And that is if he even got offered one. Should he sign or say lets see if ee go up.

 

[lordsummerisle]

I would suggest that you lost all credibility when you said that Keogh could never be the player that Leon Barnett is!

We could all see that Barnett had good assets to his game when he played for us (I would hazard a guess that couldn't) but was let down by his composure. If Barnett can now cut it in the Premiership then why couldn't Keogh? Even if you don't think Barnett can cut it, why couldn't Keogh play at the same level if Barnett can?

You are suggesting that a player could never be good enough to play in the Premiership unless he already plays there. Nonsensical.

If you could point me to anywhere that i have said "that Keogh could never be the player that Leon Barnett is"?

Barnett had 11 games for us I think on loan, not the best, but only a snapshot of what he might do.

I'm not saying at all that a player could never be good enough to play in the Premiership unless he already plays there.

I am saying however that if there is a player that apparently is more than good enough to play in the Premiership, in the last year of his contract at a club desperate for money and recently relegated, then some Premier League, or top Championship clubs might be interested in him.

We all knew pretty soon after seeing Dann that he was good enough to play in the top league, and he was signed for about £3.5million for one club, then signed for another and had a couple of seasons up there.

No Premier club wants to sign Keogh.

No top Championship club wants to sign Keogh.

A couple of middling to low ranking clubs want to sign Keogh.

However, most of the top 30 odd clubs in England must all have useless managers and scouts because they haven't signed the hidden gem that is RK??

 

[SydneySkyBlue]

If you could point me to anywhere that i have said "that Keogh could never be the player that Leon Barnett is"?

Barnett had 11 games for us I think on loan, not the best, but only a snapshot of what he might do.

I'm not saying at all that a player could never be good enough to play in the Premiership unless he already plays there.

I am saying however that if there is a player that apparently is more than good enough to play in the Premiership, in the last year of his contract at a club desperate for money and recently relegated, then some Premier League, or top Championship clubs might be interested in him.

We all knew pretty soon after seeing Dann that he was good enough to play in the top league, and he was signed for about £3.5million for one club, then signed for another and had a couple of seasons up there.

No Premier club wants to sign Keogh.

No top Championship club wants to sign Keogh.

A couple of middling to low ranking clubs want to sign Keogh.

However, most of the top 30 odd clubs in England must all have useless managers and scouts because they haven't signed the hidden gem that is RK??

Backtracking now I see.

Originally Posted by GinettasStickySofa:
Just so I'm clear on this, your logic would say then that Leon Barnett is a better player than Keogh?

"On the basis that Norwich haven't tried to get Keogh in to replace Barnett then yes."
"You can say "I told you so" when he plays in The Premiership.
Won't be holding my breath."

Sounds pretty conclusive to me.

In any case, haven't Cardiff been there or there abouts in play-offs and cup competitions over the last few years? If that isn't being a top-end Championship club then what is?

 

[torchomatic]

CArdiff pull out. 12K a week!

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/footba...entry-city-star-richard-keogh-91466-31429193/

Cardiff City have pulled out of a bid for Coventry City defender Richard Keogh after refusing to get involved in a wage war with Championship rivals Derby County.

The Bluebirds had appeared in pole position to sign the 25-year-old until the Rams had a bid, thought to be near £1 million, accepted earlier this week.

It is understood Nigel Clough's side have offered the Sky Blues skipper around £12,000-a-week, with the Bluebirds refusing to match that figure.

Leeds United and Bristol City are also interested in capturing Keogh, who had expressed his desire to speak to all interested parties before deciding in his future.

But that will not now lie in the Welsh capital as manager Malky Mackay turns his focus elsewhere.

Cardiff are still expected to tie up a €3 million deal for South Korea star Kim Bo-Kyung in the near future after agreeing terms with the player, who is currently in the UK with his country's Olympic football team.

And Mackay is still confident of adding more new faces to his squad before the transfer window closes at the end of August.

 

[wingy]

From what I was told yesterday no contract was offered to Keogh, "discussions" took place with his agent and it was made clear the player was happy to honour his current contract and then open negotiations depending on what league we are in and we all know what that would have meant yet another Clingan, Gunnar, King, Westwood, Platt farce. So its adios RK.

I think this goes against what AT is quoted as saying in various interviews.

 

[thechase]

From what I was told yesterday no contract was offered to Keogh, "discussions" took place with his agent and it was made clear the player was happy to honour his current contract and then open negotiations depending on what league we are in and we all know what that would have meant yet another Clingan, Gunnar, King, Westwood, Platt farce. So its adios RK.

Told by who?