Ben Sheaf future (9 Viewers)

[KersleyDigs]

Sensible to see how Sheaf recovers from his injury and IF James agrees to sign before deciding. Liam Walsh may still be in their thoughts. Sheaf is a decent option to have, we may 'pass' but only if we can bring in better

 

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[steve101]

Yeah I edited

If James was coming in to do the Kelly role and we were releasing Kelly, maybe. But we seem to still need Kelly in doing Kelly things while James is in the team, which makes me question why we need James.

I think James and Kelly have been great together during the last two games. Problem will be keeping them both fit.

 

[fatso]

I'd still sooner bring in Sheaf and let Shipley and Allen go.

 

[Frostie]

I'd still sooner bring in Sheaf and let Shipley and Allen go.

100% but got to find willing takers.

 

[Otis]

Sounds like Robins is going to cross that bridge at the end of the season.

If it's in the city centre, it's still being built, along with everything else.



Anyone else been down? The whole town centre is like a building site.

 

[Frostie]

I seem to remember that there may have been a question mark over his medical when he came
So he joined on loan initially with an obligation to buy if the area of concern didn't recur

He had a lot of injury problems in his youth at West Ham & Arsenal but thought his last couple of loans showed he was over them. Could be wrong but think they've usually all been different injuries too?

 

[fatso]

If it's in the city centre, it's still being built, along with everything else.



Anyone else been down? The whole town centre is like a building site.

I just hope it looks better when its finished than it did before.

Shouldn't be too difficult.

 

[shmmeee]

I think James and Kelly have been great together during the last two games. Problem will be keeping them both fit.

I think playing two deep lying players is a sticking plaster that hampers our progress. We've got two men doing the job of one and if neither are up to doing it on their own I'd get rid and find someone who is. We need the attacking impetus a Walsh or a Hamer gives you in that position, or it's all down to O'Hare to link midfield and attack.

If we had a decent defence the back line shouldn't need quite so much protection either.

 

[better days]

He had a lot of injury problems in his youth at West Ham & Arsenal but thought his last couple of loans showed he was over them. Could be wrong but think they've usually all been different injuries too?

Don't know the details
Suspect very few people had that info

 

[fatso]

I think playing two deep lying players is a sticking plaster that hampers our progress. We've got two men doing the job of one and if neither are up to doing it on their own I'd get rid and find someone who is. We need the attacking impetus a Walsh or a Hamer gives you in that position, or it's all down to O'Hare to link midfield and attack.

If we had a decent defence the back line shouldn't need quite so much protection either.

You certainly lose something when you play 5 defenders and 2 or 3 defensive midfielders,
I think we set up not to lose when we were without Godden and Walker, and we asked far too much of O'hare.
However We need to take James on AND keep kelly, as neither look like they would play 46 games a season, so I'd rotate them as required. With Hamer and Eccles available as well, maybe Sheaf wont be signed, and the money invested elsewhere.

 

[runner]

Don't rate him ... gives the ball away too cheaply ... so I'd be happy if we didn't have to sign him in the summer ... better we use that salary more fruitfully !

 

[DannyThomas_1981]

He was shitting himself 541 at home to Wycombe and defending draws when a positive change would of had us more points ? I also came out and openly give him credit for this past couple of weeks how he’s changed it to go more positive,it’s also clear to see I’ve never been a fan of 1 up front

How did you enjoy our L1 promotion season - with 1 upfront?

 

[Deleted member 11652]

£750k will most probably end up a bargain for him. I think the future of Sheaf will be dependant on the future of James and Kelly personally

 

[Magwitch1]

Sheaf was okay remember he played most of his matches without four or five of our better players available and was a bit of a novice to boot. I have my doubts he will be signed on a permanent basis based on having Matty James and there’s young Eccles too but also this summer is going to be a much different market transfer wise, better players will be up for grabs relatively cheap compared to Sheaf.

 

[Hadji's_Goatee]

I remember Sheafs debut in the cup and thinking that Eccles looked like the hot prospect from Arsenal

 

[SleepyGinger]

100% but got to find willing takers.

I think there would be a number of league 1 clubs willing to take shipley and Allen.

 

[cc84cov]

How did you enjoy our L1 promotion season - with 1 upfront?

The system worked at the level in the championship it’s flawed the full backs are nullified easily

 

[cc84cov]

I remember Sheafs debut in the cup and thinking that Eccles looked like the hot prospect from Arsenal

I would take Eccles over sheaf

 

[Magwitch1]

Get safe tomorrow night and there’s three matches where Robins can look at players and see what they might offer I’d put Billson, Reid, Young, Bapaga and Eccles in that group.

 

[DannyThomas_1981]

The system worked at the level in the championship it’s flawed the full backs are nullified easily

great argument except......we don't play with full backs.

 

[Evo1883]

Asked for an update on Sheaf’s longer term future beyond this season, Robins said: “We’ll cross that bridge at the end of the season.”

Can't see him signing him can you ?


Personally and I know some disagree , it would be a good decision for us to get out of this deal

I'm at a point where I don't know what to feel about sheaf , when we were doing poorly I briefly pined for his return but besides that I can't say I've truly missed him

 

[shmmeee]

Can't see him signing him can you ?


Personally and I know some disagree , it would be a good decision for us to get out of this deal

I'm at a point where I don't know what to feel about sheaf , when we were doing poorly I briefly pined for his return but besides that I can't say I've truly missed him

Disagree. Immediately maybe not, but as we have this model of sustaining the club through development I think he’s a good signing. Certainly better in that respect than Kelly or James. He topped all the stats in L1, just like Walsh. He’s young. There’s a player in there we can bring on. I’d put him significantly ahead of Eccles who I’d guess is the other option for a development CM.

 

[Frostie]

I would take Eccles over sheaf

Based on 1 League Cup performance against lower league opposition.

 

[Corrado]

unpopular opinion but I could't care less he has gone back

 

[Ccfcisparks]

unpopular opinion but I could't care less he has gone back

To be fair, reading this thread that seems a pretty popular opinion

 

[cc84cov]

Based on 1 League Cup performance against lower league opposition.

I’ve seen more of Eccles than sheaf and I would take Eccles over him all day that’s before we get into a reported £750k for sheaf

 

[Evo1883]

I actually think he needs another season in league 1
He's still young
I also want city to try and get Eccles another league 1 loan

 

[cc84cov]

I actually think he needs another season in league 1
He's still young
I also want city to try and get Eccles another league 1 loan

Doncaster said he got caught in possession a lot there he’s far too slow in possession he needs a rocket up the arse & to smile more

 

[shmmeee]

Doncaster said he got caught in possession a lot there he’s far too slow in possession he needs a rocket up the arse & to smile more

Our entire team got caught in possession first half of the season. Players improve, especially younger players. Besides we’ve shown you the stats on his ball retention and it’s as good as anyone else’s.

If only Opta tracked smiles...

 

[Frostie]

I’ve seen more of Eccles than sheaf and I would take Eccles over him all day that’s before we get into a reported £750k for sheaf

You were slating Eccles as not up to it even at U23 level literally the day before that Gillingham game

 

[Evo1883]

How much can you improve a 23 year old though ..I think that's the key question .

Probably 4 / 5 years off his peak

When you look at Jordan Shipley we all question how much further he can go because we can see it ... do you see sheaf becoming something much more as a player than what he currently is

The club will do what it thinks is best

 

[Pete in Portugal]

in potential he is an update, but his unerring ability to either pass to the opposition or just fall over the ball are 1st class

Given those attributes, he should do well in a team that can't be relegated.

 

[cc84cov]

You were slating Eccles as not up to it even at U23 level literally the day before that Gillingham game

Mate listen just get over it your in a small monitory,robins is getting us out of the deal just throw your hands up and admit you got it wrong

 

[shmmeee]

How much can you improve a 23 year old though ..I think that's the key question .

Probably 4 / 5 years off his peak

When you look at Jordan Shipley we all question how much further he can go because we can see it ... do you see sheaf becoming something much more as a player

The club will do what it thinks is best

Call me when Shippers defensive stats and passing range is close to Sheafs.

I’ve got to be honest, in a pure football sense I’d take Kelly or James, they have a bit more nous for that role. If we spend the £600k or whatever elsewhere I won’t be crying, but I like him as a player and I think he’ll end up around Championship level. Though I thought that about Ben Stevenson.

 

[Evo1883]

Call me when Shippers defensive stats and passing range is close to Sheafs.

I’ve got to be honest, in a pure football sense I’d take Kelly or James, they have a bit more nous for that role. If we spend the £600k or whatever elsewhere I won’t be crying, but I like him as a player and I think he’ll end up around Championship level. Though I thought that about Ben Stevenson.

I said the same about Stevenson.

Shipley plays more forward anyway ,but it was more an example of when you can see a player has reached his level . Or in Shipleys case , probably past his level