Brighton Sky Blue
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Williamson, Hancock, Gove, etc etc
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Williamson, Hancock, Gove, etc etc
shmmeee
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What’s your answer here? Because clearly these people do in fact win more elections than Labour. And it’s not all annoyed corbynites and teachers.
Ian1779
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Rubbish - 2017 happened because spent its entire time just saying what it’s vision was, and little to no time badmouthing the opposition. Which conversely is why the Tory campaign was so shit. All they did was badmouth the competition and offered none of their own ideas.
fatso
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How
Then purely out of interest, what made you decide to vote for another party?
Brighton Sky Blue
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Williamson is a condescending piece of wet lettuce, so is Hancock. Just be honest and admit it’s all about the head clown cracking jokes as he raids the public purse
Brighton Sky Blue
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At local level it was because the Green councillors had done a raft of tangible things that were positive for the area and gave specific actions they would do if elected. The Labour candidates just said they were Corbynistas and gave more vague actions if elected.
Maybe don’t jump in with two feet next time
Ian1779
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We had 3 votes where I was yesterday. I voted for 2 Lab councillors and 1 Green. Not one single party sent any literature about the local elections, which is surprising considering Northamptonshire were voting for a completely new set of councillors since the old one was shut down. I don’t know if that complete lack of effort was replicated elsewhere.
fatso
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How about starting, by trying to actually appeal to the electorate. That might be a good start!
Ian1779
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I agree - and I think having ideas that are popular across political divides are the way forward. But Labour currently are not offering that. They stuck an ardent remainer in as the candidate for Hartlepool and then made little or no effort to convince voters that they had an idea for the future. I think there is a justifiable argument for Brexit/vaccine bounce that would have made keeping this seat near impossible - but at least have a proper go. You only need to look at the Lab style policies that were popular in Hartlepool when surveyed. Start with that as a base.
Philosoraptor
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Brighton Sky Blue
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Well it’s a personality contest isn’t it
fatso
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Hardly jumping in, your comments re not voting labour exactly back up my points made earlier.
Respect for voting with your head rather than just following some notion of party loyalty.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Fair enough. Just if you look, I wasn’t expecting Labour to do well anywhere except perhaps for a bounce in Scotland under Anas Sarwar.
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Philosoraptor
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This could be the worst set of results for Labour since the 2019 General Election.
fatso
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BINGO!
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I tell you what, Labour don't need to do a whole lot of user forums to find out why they're hated, and how they could be loved. I suspect schmmeee could give them everything they need to understand on a side of A4.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Well if it’s elect a stand up comedian as leader we’re in good company. If that’s really all it is let’s get Frankie Boyle on the line
Philosoraptor
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Skybluefaz
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People seem to be happy to vote for the Tories that labelled them a bunch of lazy bastards. Or lacking the common sense to escape a burning building.
I'm not sure what it is tbf, I'm just hoping this is the equivalent of when City dropped into league 2. Bottoming out moment.
fernandopartridge
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Tough on crime = obliterating the criminal justice system through austerity
Funding NHS/police/schools = nope
Love the country and its people = crippling poverty on the increase, homelessness, food banks
Anybody who thinks the Tories deliver any of that shite is an absolute idiot. I see Fatlad liked your post which proves my statement.
fatso
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The Tories didnt have to fight anything to win
If you remember, Boris completely disappeared and refused to debate publicly or even appear on tv at one stage.
It was as if his advisers told him to keep quiet and let Corbyn win the election for you!
Skybluefaz
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Fucking glory supporter.
fernandopartridge
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Rising house prices are the election winner. That's mostly what it comes down to, that's what a sizeable proportion of the electorate care about.
Brighton Sky Blue
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So how is that treating the public like upstanding decent folk?
Ian1779
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We’re not talking about the same election here. Tories won in 2019 the minute they decided to honour the Brexit vote and Lab/LD didn’t. It wasn’t even a contest.
chiefdave
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Wasn't expecting Labour to come storming back in this election but its shaping up far worse for them than I could have possibly imagined. You can't blame the Brexit Party vote splitting or vaccine bounce when you're haemorrhaging voters to the Lib Dems and Greens.
Hopefully Labour will now take a step back and have a real look at how they become an effective opposition rather than blaming everything on Corbyn.
Hopefully Labour will now take a step back and have a real look at how they become an effective opposition rather than blaming everything on Corbyn.
Brighton Sky Blue
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In trying to be ‘moderate’ they’ve impressed nobody. Shafting the base and not nearly as charismatic as the clown who has the right on lock.
fatso
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I think that's far too simplistic an outlook.
The referendum was incredibly close, there were many remainers who went on and voted against labour.
If the election was purely down to Brexit, it would never od delivered an 80 seat majority.
SBAndy
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Corbyn seems to have ended the Labour Party as we know it. He’s become almost too much of a cult figure, with half loving him and pining for his return, and the other half despising him and wanting the party to put as much distance between them and him as possible.
Really don’t know how this plays out and we get back to something resembling normal.
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I think it's the case that 'lovable boris' does carry some voters. But I think that to constantly ply the theme that voters are suckers does little in address the main issue, that the main opposition is unelectable. The problem for KS and Labour is that momentum is heavily entrenched and holds many seats of power, including many standing MPs. It will take years to unwind that, if possible.