Do you want to discuss boring politics? (19 Viewers)

[Philosoraptor]

 

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

How about starting, by trying to actually appeal to the electorate. That might be a good start!

Well it’s a personality contest isn’t it

 

[fatso]

At local level it was because the Green councillors had done a raft of tangible things that were positive for the area and gave specific actions they would do if elected. The Labour candidates just said they were Corbynistas and gave more vague actions if elected.

Maybe don’t jump in with two feet next time

Hardly jumping in, your comments re not voting labour exactly back up my points made earlier.
Respect for voting with your head rather than just following some notion of party loyalty.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Hardly jumping in, your comments re not voting labour exactly back up my points made earlier.
Respect for voting with your head rather than just following some notion of party loyalty.

Fair enough. Just if you look, I wasn’t expecting Labour to do well anywhere except perhaps for a bounce in Scotland under Anas Sarwar.

 

[Deleted member 4439]

No one will vote for a bunch of condescending arseholes who hate you and are constantly negative.

In a nutshell

 

[Philosoraptor]

This could be the worst set of results for Labour since the 2019 General Election.

 

[fatso]

Green policy is popular. That’s why the Tories had to pretend they cared. Immigration concerns are way down.

It’s the basics of getting elected and none of it is anti Labour values:

- Tough on crime
- Fund the NHS/Police/Schools
- Love the country and its people

None of that requires jettisoning left wing politics, but sadly in 2021 it means distancing yourself from a lot of “left wing” people.

No one will vote for a bunch of condescending arseholes who hate you and are constantly negative.

BINGO!

 

[Nick]

Looks like Nuneaton and Bedworth have fucked Labour off?

 

[Deleted member 4439]

BINGO!

I tell you what, Labour don't need to do a whole lot of user forums to find out why they're hated, and how they could be loved. I suspect schmmeee could give them everything they need to understand on a side of A4.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I tell you what, Labour don't need to do a whole lot of user forums to find out why they're hated, and how they could be loved. I suspect schmmeee could give them everything they need to understand on a side of A4.

Well if it’s elect a stand up comedian as leader we’re in good company. If that’s really all it is let’s get Frankie Boyle on the line

 

[Philosoraptor]

I tell you what, Labour don't need to do a whole lot of user forums to find out why they're hated, and how they could be loved. I suspect schmmeee could give them everything they need to understand on a side of A4.

Let's call it a case study

 

[Skybluefaz]

No one will vote for a bunch of condescending arseholes who hate you and are constantly negative.

People seem to be happy to vote for the Tories that labelled them a bunch of lazy bastards. Or lacking the common sense to escape a burning building.

I'm not sure what it is tbf, I'm just hoping this is the equivalent of when City dropped into league 2. Bottoming out moment.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Green policy is popular. That’s why the Tories had to pretend they cared. Immigration concerns are way down.

It’s the basics of getting elected and none of it is anti Labour values:

- Tough on crime
- Fund the NHS/Police/Schools
- Love the country and its people

None of that requires jettisoning left wing politics, but sadly in 2021 it means distancing yourself from a lot of “left wing” people.

No one will vote for a bunch of condescending arseholes who hate you and are constantly negative.

Tough on crime = obliterating the criminal justice system through austerity
Funding NHS/police/schools = nope
Love the country and its people = crippling poverty on the increase, homelessness, food banks

Anybody who thinks the Tories deliver any of that shite is an absolute idiot. I see Fatlad liked your post which proves my statement.

 

[fatso]

Rubbish - 2017 happened because spent its entire time just saying what it’s vision was, and little to no time badmouthing the opposition. Which conversely is why the Tory campaign was so shit. All they did was badmouth the competition and offered none of their own ideas.

The Tories didnt have to fight anything to win

If you remember, Boris completely disappeared and refused to debate publicly or even appear on tv at one stage.

It was as if his advisers told him to keep quiet and let Corbyn win the election for you!

 

[Nick]

Fucking love the tories.

 

[Nick]

Fucking love Labour.

 

[Skybluefaz]

Fucking love the tories.

Fucking glory supporter.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Rising house prices are the election winner. That's mostly what it comes down to, that's what a sizeable proportion of the electorate care about.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The Tories didnt have to fight anything to win

If you remember, Boris completely disappeared and refused to debate publicly or even appear on tv at one stage.

It was as if his advisers told him to keep quiet and let Corbyn win the election for you!

So how is that treating the public like upstanding decent folk?

 

[Ian1779]

The Tories didnt have to fight anything to win

If you remember, Boris completely disappeared and refused to debate publicly or even appear on tv at one stage.

It was as if his advisers told him to keep quiet and let Corbyn win the election for you!

We’re not talking about the same election here. Tories won in 2019 the minute they decided to honour the Brexit vote and Lab/LD didn’t. It wasn’t even a contest.

 

[chiefdave]

Wasn't expecting Labour to come storming back in this election but its shaping up far worse for them than I could have possibly imagined. You can't blame the Brexit Party vote splitting or vaccine bounce when you're haemorrhaging voters to the Lib Dems and Greens.

Hopefully Labour will now take a step back and have a real look at how they become an effective opposition rather than blaming everything on Corbyn.

 

[Ian1779]

The guy that is PM said he would let bodies pile high and still comes up smelling of roses.
This is going to take a while to unpick.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Wasn't expecting Labour to come storming back in this election but its shaping up far worse for them than I could have possibly imagined. You can't blame the Brexit Party vote splitting or vaccine bounce when you're haemorrhaging voters to the Lib Dems and Greens.

Hopefully Labour will now take a step back and have a real look at how they become an effective opposition rather than blaming everything on Corbyn.

In trying to be ‘moderate’ they’ve impressed nobody. Shafting the base and not nearly as charismatic as the clown who has the right on lock.

 

[fatso]

We’re not talking about the same election here. Tories won in 2019 the minute they decided to honour the Brexit vote and Lab/LD didn’t. It wasn’t even a contest.

I think that's far too simplistic an outlook.
The referendum was incredibly close, there were many remainers who went on and voted against labour.
If the election was purely down to Brexit, it would never od delivered an 80 seat majority.

 

[SBAndy]

Wasn't expecting Labour to come storming back in this election but its shaping up far worse for them than I could have possibly imagined. You can't blame the Brexit Party vote splitting or vaccine bounce when you're haemorrhaging voters to the Lib Dems and Greens.

Hopefully Labour will now take a step back and have a real look at how they become an effective opposition rather than blaming everything on Corbyn.

Corbyn seems to have ended the Labour Party as we know it. He’s become almost too much of a cult figure, with half loving him and pining for his return, and the other half despising him and wanting the party to put as much distance between them and him as possible.

Really don’t know how this plays out and we get back to something resembling normal.

 

[Deleted member 4439]

Well if it’s elect a stand up comedian as leader we’re in good company. If that’s really all it is let’s get Frankie Boyle on the line

I think it's the case that 'lovable boris' does carry some voters. But I think that to constantly ply the theme that voters are suckers does little in address the main issue, that the main opposition is unelectable. The problem for KS and Labour is that momentum is heavily entrenched and holds many seats of power, including many standing MPs. It will take years to unwind that, if possible.

 

[fatso]

The guy that is PM said he would let bodies pile high and still comes up smelling of roses.
This is going to take a while to unpick.

Allegedly. He has denied it.
And like the issue over who paid for the wallpaper, the voters arnt interested.
As indicated in today's results.

In fact if anything, its made labour look a bit pathetic, if that's all the headway they can make in such trying times.

 

[Ian1779]

I think that's far too simplistic an outlook.
The referendum was incredibly close, there were many remainers who went on and voted against labour.
If the election was purely down to Brexit, it would never od delivered an 80 seat majority.

You only have to look at where the remain and leave vote was over the country. Remain vote largely contained to big cities and metropolitan areas and the South. And when it came down to it Labour’s former red wall does not fit in with this breakdown. And that’s why it fell so spectacularly.

 

[Philosoraptor]

Looks like a Labour civil war has been declared on Radio 4 and we've got three days of electon results to go.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I think it's the case that 'lovable boris' does carry some voters. But I think that to constantly ply the theme that voters are suckers does little in address the main issue, that the main opposition is unelectable. The problem for KS and Labour is that momentum is heavily entrenched and holds many seats of power, including many standing MPs. It will take years to unwind that, if possible.

Look in the Cabinet and tell me what’s so personally appealing about the individuals in it. What is it about Gavin Williamson and Matt Hancock that turns on the voters? I voted for Corbyn as leader before, I hated him not long before the election. Evo summed it up, it’s all about personality, not policies, not substantive anything.

Just ‘he seems alright’

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Looks like a Labour civil war has been declared on Radio 4 and we've got three days of electon results to go.

Well between that and the end of the Union you must be more ecstatic than one of those whacky graphs

 

[CCFCSteve]

Green policy is popular. That’s why the Tories had to pretend they cared. Immigration concerns are way down.

It’s the basics of getting elected and none of it is anti Labour values:

- Tough on crime
- Fund the NHS/Police/Schools
- Love the country and its people

None of that requires jettisoning left wing politics, but sadly in 2021 it means distancing yourself from a lot of “left wing” people.

No one will vote for a bunch of condescending arseholes who hate you and are constantly negative.

This is the most accurate post on here for a while !

People asked why did so many voted Tory at last election, I’m guessing without even reading their main manifesto promises (most are things that left/right would vote for). Those plus ‘get Brexit done’ (people wanted it out the way) and Corbyn/McDonnell perceived (probably actual) lack of patriotism...and it’s not hard to see why but I think the left can be so blinded by hating everything Tory they miss what makes the electorate tick

It’s not a lost cause for the Labour. They need to hold their nerve though (these are unusual times as discussed previously)

 

[Deleted member 5849]

We had 3 votes where I was yesterday. I voted for 2 Lab councillors and 1 Green. Not one single party sent any literature about the local elections, which is surprising considering Northamptonshire were voting for a completely new set of councillors since the old one was shut down. I don’t know if that complete lack of effort was replicated elsewhere.

That's the most appalling thing really, having no clue who you're actually voting for.

Given my philosophy is only vote for people who tell you that, but that restricted me to Tory and TUSC candidates, that was me shafted yesterday tbh!

 

[shmmeee]

People seem to be happy to vote for the Tories that labelled them a bunch of lazy bastards. Or lacking the common sense to escape a burning building.

I'm not sure what it is tbf, I'm just hoping this is the equivalent of when City dropped into league 2. Bottoming out moment.

But they also think their workmates are lazy bastards or that they would leave a burning building.

It’s deeper than any comment. It’s a guttural feeling that the working class aren’t liked by Labour activists and some MPs. It’s born out of social activism needing to make every problem sound huge to get support IMO.

It’s the sneering at the flag. The sneering at working class culture. The sneering at voters for voting how they voted.

That’s the activist left. The political establishment soft left isn’t much better, all patronising and maternal and knows what’s best.

Immigration was just a microcosm but a good case study. People said “I don’t like the pace of change in my community” (a perfectly normal human reaction seen around the world and not rooted in racism) Labour saw it as a defect that needed fixing in people “too racist” “too easily led by the media” “too stupid to understand how important immigrants are”.

Focus on every smaller groups at the exclusion of the majority. The problem with minority identity politics is by definition it doesn’t concern a majority of people.

The closest Labour have is Jess Phillips for not hating the working class. But instead she decided to hate 49% of the population instead (I don’t think that’s true but that’s what’s received).

The left are perfectly capable of pulling their head out of their arses, having a bit of humility, and seeing the upper class as the enemy not the bloke in the pub who said “blind spot” in front of a blind person or whatever.

We talk condescendingly about the Tories putting the working class against each other but then do it ourselves all the fucking time.

 

[Skybluefaz]

Look in the Cabinet and tell me what’s so personally appealing about the individuals in it. What is it about Gavin Williamson and Matt Hancock that turns on the voters? I voted for Corbyn as leader before, I hated him not long before the election. Evo summed it up, it’s all about personality, not policies, not substantive anything.

Just ‘he seems alright’

Boris lad. Rolling out the gun ships, that'll learn 'em. Tank top wearing bum boys, lol, he says what he thinks. Top shagger.