skybluetony176
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I see farmers are up in arms over the proposed full free trade deal with Australia as it doesn’t protect them and the Tories are split on it also.
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shmmeee
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Cheap Tim Tams though mate. Can’t put a %of GDP on that (oh wait, you can and it’s minuscule)
clint van damme
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They knew what they voted for!
skybluetony176
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It’s amazing how quickly the 2 industries that were absolutely, definitely going to do well out of Brexit have become the first casualties. Always said that the biggest victims were going to be those that voted for it, still didn’t see this coming.
Fishing industry. Never regained full control of our waters, lost access to fishing grounds, lost access to market, no frictionless trade.
Farming Industry. Lost workforce, lost access to market and look to be losing protection of home market because we have a government so desperate for pro Brexit headlines that they’ll sign anything. Like the Northern Ireland protocol. Or a free trade deal with Australia that damages U.K. industries.
Skybluefaz
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Needed to change the like to an angry face. Considerable upsides my arse.
skybluetony176
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You don’t know what you’re doing, you don’t know what you’re doing.
Someone remind me. Do we still hold all the cards?
Brexit negotiator says EU agri-food agreement 'difficult to reach'
Lord Frost said it is an "issue of principle" that the UK will not align with EU rules.
www.bbc.co.uk
Someone remind me. Do we still hold all the cards?
skybluetony176
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We clearly don’t hold this one eitherYou don’t know what you’re doing, you don’t know what you’re doing.
Brexit negotiator says EU agri-food agreement 'difficult to reach'
Lord Frost said it is an "issue of principle" that the UK will not align with EU rules.www.bbc.co.uk
Someone remind me. Do we still hold all the cards?
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shmmeee
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Interesting read on the split between well off Brexiters and not so well off ones.
www.newstatesman.com
How Labour can exploit Leaver divisions
Keeping one group of Brexit supporters happy may prove unpopular with others, as the Conservatives are about to discover.
www.newstatesman.com
Farming is absolutely fucked. Government literally paying them to retire as their business are about to be wiped out.
I was in the pub with some farmers in December 2019, just after the election, and they were all telling me how wonderful Johnson is and how great Brexit will be for them. Daft sods.
I was in the pub with some farmers in December 2019, just after the election, and they were all telling me how wonderful Johnson is and how great Brexit will be for them. Daft sods.
Skybluefaz
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Not sure why we are seeking to import meat from the other side of the world anyway. From a food standards and green perspective. Maybe we can only get tarriff free tim tams and wine if we accept the livestock aspect as well.
Skybluefaz
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That shit haunts my youth.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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It's an odd route to go down, not just because it's got no chance whatsoever of succeeding but it opens a massive can of worms.
If the Brexit deal can have force majuere applied to it and win, then the same argument could be applied to Brexit overall. There's far more to suggest that there have been many numerous 'unforeseen' problems that Brexit has caused which voters could say they were unaware of at the time that have been catastrophically bad for them personally, for their region, the country as a whole and for the EU as well.
It's also an argument Sturgeon could use for independence as they could say the last vote it was unforeseen that they would be made to leave the EU by being part of the UK.
If the Brexit deal can have force majuere applied to it and win, then the same argument could be applied to Brexit overall. There's far more to suggest that there have been many numerous 'unforeseen' problems that Brexit has caused which voters could say they were unaware of at the time that have been catastrophically bad for them personally, for their region, the country as a whole and for the EU as well.
It's also an argument Sturgeon could use for independence as they could say the last vote it was unforeseen that they would be made to leave the EU by being part of the UK.
It seemed to focus on Scottish farmer's yesterday.
I think they're already suffering to an extent from the policies of the milk collection companies tending to stop picking up from smaller operator's .
Recieving advice to maybe develop property on the land instead I think.
There is a company called Arla, not sure if it's the same collection company prepared to finance and guide through taking the development route.
clint van damme
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Thats quite worrying to be honest.
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skybluetony176
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Going by what he said (or didn’t say) on PMQ’s it sounds like he is about to sell the farmers down the road.
fernandopartridge
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Yeah
Thought so when I read it
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I confess I know zero about the economics of farming over the last few years. but I have noticed just how many farmsteads have been developed and upgraded on the outskirts of the City that I know well. I'm puzzled as to where the money came from, if not from the EU (which presumably is why Farmers were for Brexit). Is it simply the selling of land?
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skybluetony176
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Yeah, they’re fucked. Boris is desperate to get a trade deal that isn’t a rollover EU deal and he doesn’t give a fuck about anything but the headline.
Think there have been grants for diversification, not sure of the source, imagine some would have been EU.
Lots of business premises among conversation been working in one today on the Stoneliegh estate.
Many of the exhibition workshop's I go to are based on farm plot's.
I guess farmings viable for the big operaters , less so for a family run one.
Personally I think we've all had the benefit of cheap food for eons now (getting less so after a couple of apparent hikes and it will prove difficult to realign to a more equitable outcome to these families given the amount of salary invested in putting a roof over our heads.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Off topic but I still think there's a decent scope for more urban farming in older office buildings etc that no longer meet the requirements of potential tenants. They're effectively just massive greenhouses anyway.
Use hydroponics to grow the plants (and thus provide perfect water/nutrients for each crop. Can grow a greater variety as high up a buildings you'll get more daylight to ripen things and you can control the heat by opening a window, light with blinds and humidity with sprinkler systems. Environmentally friendly because you've got less land becoming a monoculture and can be rewilded (or developed if absolutely necessary), food can be grow closer to its end market cutting transport costs and the building has an extended useful life and you don't use lots of energy and materials knocking it down and rebuilding.
Use hydroponics to grow the plants (and thus provide perfect water/nutrients for each crop. Can grow a greater variety as high up a buildings you'll get more daylight to ripen things and you can control the heat by opening a window, light with blinds and humidity with sprinkler systems. Environmentally friendly because you've got less land becoming a monoculture and can be rewilded (or developed if absolutely necessary), food can be grow closer to its end market cutting transport costs and the building has an extended useful life and you don't use lots of energy and materials knocking it down and rebuilding.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Very easy defence to that. Read the contract before you sign it. If you can't, don't sign. Never make assumptions about what is in the contract. If you claim you're under duress I've got to ask who from, given that it was a deal you negotiated and agreed to?
I'm sure if I pulled that defence in court it'd get thrown out in five minutes and I'd get a fine for wasting the court's time.
I always find it bizarre that Remainers appear to revel in people losing their jobs especially if there is any potential tie to Brexit.
It took one google to find this article
www.google.co.uk
There might be a minor Brexit angle but from the article it appears they’re moving because it will be (far) cheaper labour in Poland and the fact that the plant has lost 100m over a decade. Fair play to Peckham at Melrose for his honestly, brutal (like most PE) but easy option would’ve be to blame Brexit and let people lap it up when anyone scratching beneath the surface would see the plant appears unviable
It took one google to find this article
Melrose under fire over plans to close GKN factory in Birmingham
MPs and unions criticise proposal to move work carried out in Erdington plant to France and Poland
There might be a minor Brexit angle but from the article it appears they’re moving because it will be (far) cheaper labour in Poland and the fact that the plant has lost 100m over a decade. Fair play to Peckham at Melrose for his honestly, brutal (like most PE) but easy option would’ve be to blame Brexit and let people lap it up when anyone scratching beneath the surface would see the plant appears unviable
shmmeee
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I always find it bizarre that Remainers appear to revel in people losing their jobs especially if there is any potential tie to Brexit.
It took one google to find this article
Melrose under fire over plans to close GKN factory in Birmingham
MPs and unions criticise proposal to move work carried out in Erdington plant to France and Poland
There might be a minor Brexit angle but from the article it appears they’re moving because it will be (far) cheaper labour in Poland and the fact that the plant has lost 100m over a decade. Fair play to Peckham at Melrose for his honestly, brutal (like most PE) but easy option would’ve be to blame Brexit and let people lap it up when anyone scratching beneath the surface would see the plant appears unviable
Piss off firstly. The time to care about these peoples jobs was 5 years ago when you voted to destroy them, you don’t get to pretend to care now.
Secondly, gallows humour is a thing.
I was talking about Ian Charles applauding ‘leave voting erdington’, how does he know who at the plant voted for what ?! Even though the article suggests it’s nothing to do with Brexit
Ps I’ve given my reasons for voting the way I did and the concerns I had (and still have) thanks shmmeee.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Steve, a big selling point of Brexit was that things like the above wouldn't happen. Nobody here or in fact anywhere is revelling in people losing their jobs
Nobody said Brexit would ensure plants losing 100m in 10 years wouldn’t close ?! As I said, the articles saying it’s nothing to do with Brexit (or certainly isn’t a major factor)
