Hats off Andy Thorn (2 Viewers)

[lordsummerisle]

Screw our club for any penny he could? Talk about melodramatic. In your head he ran the club with the world's smallest moustache didn't he?

Do you actually read anything about him at all?

Could have taken as much money as he liked if we'd been successful, but typical of the modern type of businnesman who gets rewarded regardless of how bad they do.

Don't know about the worlds smallest moustache, but you have the World's biggest crush on a failed football chairman.

You'd rather see Ranson rip us off than us being successful.

 

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[SydneySkyBlue]

Do you actually read anything about him at all?

Could have taken as much money as he liked if we'd been successful, but typical of the modern type of businnesman who gets rewarded regardless of how bad they do.

Don't know about the worlds smallest moustache, but you have the World's biggest crush on a failed football chairman.

You'd rather see Ranson rip us off than us being successful.

Yes. That's exactly what I'd rather see. Of course.

Everyone knows that successful businessmen will find a way of putting themselves first (surprising to see you give him some kind of credit); but you have to take that with a pinch of salt. As you say yourself, that's just the way it's done these days in our dog-eat-dog impatient society. Anyone with any sense will cover their own back.

I preferred to look at his strategy for our club which was a good one but that relied on the backing of the money men for the long haul.

 

[Grendel]

Everyone knows that successful businessmen will find a way of putting themselves first (surprising to see you give him some kind of credit); but you have to take that with a pinch of salt. As you say yourself, that's just the way it's done these days in our dog-eat-dog impatient society. Anyone with any sense will cover their own back.

I preferred to look at his strategy for our club which was a good one but that relied on the backing of the money men for the long haul.

Bit like Kim Jong-Il I guess. He actually completed a round of golf in 18 shots you know - at least that's what the North Korean TV said - must be true I suppose. Speculation to suggest otherwise.

 

[SydneySkyBlue]

Was that a slant on Godwin's Law there?

 

[Astute]

So? did we sign Norwood, Nimeley, Warnock or any loan player we had from a Premier League Club. Name one loan player we have ever had that we ended up signing full-time - other than Leigh Mills.

Would we have got Norwood if we had not been relegated? He praises our club even though he went elsewhere. Never went to a bigger club, but went to a club a division higher than we are now.

 

[stupot07]

Wrexham are one league off full league status. That is absurd. Also according to my stats if you include cup games thorn still has a worse ratio anyway! What next he wins more games than any other manager on February 10th?

My question remains. Do you think having a manager with a very poor record is in any way a handicap?

I wouldn't say it is necessarily a handicap, but that does depend on whether he has learned lessons from what went wrong last season, including his own decisions. If he has, then last seasons poor record might even be a positive influence this season.

 

[Otis]

I was very critical of Thorn last season and for me he fell well short of what was required to be a good football manager.

This is a new season though and a fresh start. I'm sure he's had time to reflect and has learned from his mistakes and with the right back back room staff i am hoping he will make a much better fist of it this time round.

 

[CJparker]

I think it's fair to say he is the best manager we have had since Jimmy Hill, which goes to show some of the problems we have had with managers since then!

 

[Grendel]

I think it's fair to say he is the best manager we have had since Jimmy Hill, which goes to show some of the problems we have had with managers since then!

You are being sarcastic...aren't you....?

 

[WestEndAgro]

I think it's fair to say he is the best manager we have had since Jimmy Hill, which goes to show some of the problems we have had with managers since then!

WUM, got to be.

 

[woody11462]

We were not signing Henderson et al. This is hogwash invented by Ranson. If needs be ill dig out the evidence yet again.

Dont make it sound like a chore old bean, you moaning and bein able to say 'told you so' is what you get up for.

 

[Grendel]

Dont make it sound like a chore old bean, you moaning and bein able to say 'told you so' is what you get up for.

Here is the win ratio of all League One managers;


Paulo Di Caneo 62.1
Graham Westley 50.2
Karl Robinson 48.2
Graham Turner 41.4
Gary Johnson 41.4
Gary Smith 39.7
Richard Barker 37.9
John Ward 37.6
Dean Saunders 36.9
Greg Abbott 36.3
Kieth Curle 35.8
Russell Slade 35.6
Andy Knill 34.8
Paul Dickov 30.4
Danny Wilson 30.4
Dean Smith 24.4
Michael Appleton23.5
Andy Thorn 20.8

Cant find stats for Rosler (but 67 points in a season) or Neale Cooper (got Hartlepool to play offs) and 2 clubs no manager.

So Thorn is bottom.

Told you so.

 

[Grendel]

One of those managers is a Cov Kid as well...

 

[Otis]

Don't think he is joking. He was saying the same thing about Thorn last season.

Whether anyone rates Thorn or not, I find it quite incredulous that the bloke could be described as our best manager since Jimmy Hill.

I just cannot see what that is based upon. Based upon the fact that Thorn said we were a midtable Championship side last season and he took us down?

 

[woody11462]

Here is the win ratio of all League One managers;


Paulo Di Caneo 62.1
Graham Westley 50.2
Karl Robinson 48.2
Graham Turner 41.4
Gary Johnson 41.4
Gary Smith 39.7
Richard Barker 37.9
John Ward 37.6
Dean Saunders 36.9
Greg Abbott 36.3
Kieth Curle 35.8
Russell Slade 35.6
Andy Knill 34.8
Paul Dickov 30.4
Danny Wilson 30.4
Dean Smith 24.4
Michael Appleton23.5
Andy Thorn 20.8

Cant find stats for Rosler (but 67 points in a season) or Neale Cooper (got Hartlepool to play offs) and 2 clubs no manager.

So Thorn is bottom.

Told you so.

Don't get me wrong mate, you do make some valid points but there are arguments for both sides. I do think that you struggle to see both sides of the argument.

 

[Grendel]

Don't get me wrong mate, you do make some valid points but there are arguments for both sides. I do think that you struggle to see both sides of the argument.

Not on all topics. One topic..maybe..

 

[Grendel]

Don't think he is joking. He was saying the same thing about Thorn last season.

Whether anyone rates Thorn or not, I find it quite incredulous that the bloke could be described as our best manager since Jimmy Hill.

I just cannot see what that is based upon. Based upon the fact that Thorn said we were a midtable Championship side last season and he took us down?

He has to be joking. I know I am one extreme on the subject but better than Sillett, Strachan, Sexton, Milne, Black...?

 

[Otis]

Wish he was joking, but fear he is not.

Maybe something to do with the stunning football we played last year.

 

[CJparker]

Hey, I just love his approach to football - if he had decent owners and any money to spend then we would have been in the hunt for promotion last year.

 

[Grendel]

Hey, I just love his approach to football - if he had decent owners and any money to spend then we would have been in the hunt for promotion last year.

Speechless for once.

 

[Otis]

Can I just ask how many City managers you have witnessed in your years of supporting the club?

Could have some bearing on your reasoning.

 

[CJparker]

And who was the last manager to get us promoted, as AT may well this year??...JH!!! Case closed.

 

[Grendel]

And who was the last manager to get us promoted, as AT may well this year??...JH!!! Case closed.

Bit hard for Sillett to get us promoted. Did you see him as manager - is Thorn better than him?

 

[CJparker]

No top 6 finish in 40 years, that's all I am saying. AT is bound to break that run of dismal failure this year.

 

[Otis]

And does the league we are in have no bearing on the matter?

We have had managers in the Premier where we have had to compete against Liverpool and Man U and Chelsea and Arsenal etc.

Bit tougher than Yeovil and Tranmere isn't it?

AT could get us promoted, but look at the level we are now playing at.

People seem happy with the squad now. Surely we would expect any manager to be pushing for promotion with this squad at League One level wouldn't we?

 

[Grendel]

No top 6 finish in 40 years, that's all I am saying. AT is bound to break that run of dismal failure this year.

He also is the manager who got us relegated to the lowest league position in half a century - kind of throws a spanner into your logic doesn't it?

 

[blueflint]

Yes well done. He's kept within a budget that he wasn't allowed to exceed. He is the manager that' has taken us to a level of football we have not witnessed for 50 years. He has the worst management record of any football manager of this club since 1917.
He has the worst win ratio of any manager in Division 1.
Yes hat's off to Andy thorn. If you are a Leicester fan you are doing really well.

hey give the man a chance he had no chance last season jose would.nt of kept us up

 

[Dan Griffin]

hey give the man a chance he had no chance last season jose would.nt of kept us up

Everyone says that but we don't actually know (not a thorn hater)

 

[Otis]

As I say, for me it is a clean slate this season.

Hoping for Thorn to be more savvy and clued up.

 

[Grendel]

hey give the man a chance he had no chance last season jose would.nt of kept us up

I think Jose may have just about extracted another 10 points out of 46 games somehow. Losing from a winning position became Thorn's speciality something experienced good managers remedy.

 

[lordsummerisle]

Yes. That's exactly what I'd rather see. Of course.


I preferred to look at his strategy for our club which was a good one but that relied on the backing of the money men for the long haul.

That backing would be withdrawn from anybody if incurrinng huge losses and the strategy not working.

The greater the losses, the worse the team performed, the more he paid himself.

Do you think that loaning a Championship rival money to buy players was a good strategy?

The Football League, and most rational people wouldn't agree.

 

[SydneySkyBlue]

You and I have differing opinions on why the strategy didn't work. We've been over that one ad nausea!

I've yet to see any concrete evidence that he did loan money to Cardiff. I'm sure you'd be more than willing to provide me with some...

 

[@richh87]

I'm sorry - I've just caught up with this thread.

What a load of shit that we couldn't have signed Carroll and Henderson!!! For Christ sake they had both been labelled trouble makers by their clubs!

In Henderson's case he wasn't exactly brilliant for us either - so I doubt the Sunderland management at the time were thinking "oh crap he's a future star we'd better hang onto him". Steve Bruce coming in gave everyone a fresh chance and Henderson fought his was into his thoughts. I recall Bruce saying as much.

Andy Carroll meanwhile was busy fighting in bars.

SISU love discrediting anything Ranson et al say, yet the claims that we could have signed those two have never been refuted.

 

[@richh87]

Also, those Managerial stats are a complete and utter waste of f*cking time.

How about somebody compiles stats that compare points won with playing budget and squad size?

You might find a few anomalies like Blackpool - but on the whole anyone with a brain those that those with the deepest pockets succeed.

I would say we have a top half league 1 squad - with our stars yet again leaving.

If you have a brain, judge a manager on the resources given to him; don't pretend that Alex Ferguson, Jose Mourinho etc are magicians that would get a team of children to win promotion if they were at City.

 

[@richh87]

You can't just gloss over losing that number of players and pretend Andy Thorn should cope.

Let's take Man Utd as an example:

If they announce today that money is tight due to the debt they're in, and that 9 first team players have to leave, including Vidic, Rooney, Ashley Young, Scholes, Phil Jones etc - where would you expect them to finish this season? It's ok, they can bring in some children - er i'm sure that'd work...

Would this make Alex Ferguson a bad Manager? Would it?