European championships 2020 thread (47 Viewers)

[COV]

A no for Maldini? Damn, that's cold.

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if you’re gonna list the ‘geniuses’ of the game, who did things you didn’t even think were possible, it’s a no. Baresi could play anywhere, it was effortless and he did things no defender should be able to do, I don’t see that in Maldini.

I’d put him in the ‘world class’ category with your Gullits, Bergkamps, Henrys etc, but not a stone cold all time football genius

 

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[TomRad85]

Its a very rare opinion to be fair , most pundits and people would put maldini as an all time great , infact I'd say its the first time I've ever heard anybody say he wasn't.

Either way it's his opinion

I'd say Nesta and Cannavaro were too. Italy had world class defenders coming out the arse.

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[mark82]

baresi gets in, it’s a no from me for the other two.

At a push we could have had one- had Gascoigne had his head screwed on & looked after himself he could have made the list- he could do everything.

I'd have Maldini and Matthaus too. Would also add Van Basten.

 

[COV]

I'd say Nesta and Cannavaro were too. Italy had world class defenders coming out the arse.

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it’s playing with words- maybe I’ll rephrase- he’s an all time great, but he’s not in the ‘all time genius’ category.

 

[TomRad85]

I think we'd have at least given Loris something to do. He wasn't tested at all tonight.

Possibly, we have the forward players to do so but with Southgate in charge I'm not sure. We didn't trouble an aging Croatia that much in all honesty and the thought of Mbappe and Co. against that defence is mildly concerning.

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[TomRad85]

it’s playing with words- maybe I’ll rephrase- he’s an all time great, but he’s not in the ‘all time genius’ category.

Fair play, I get where you're coming from.

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[COV]

I'd have Maldini and Matthaus too. Would also add Van Basten.

in that group I think you have to add Paul Scholes- criminally underrated when people talk about the great players over the years

 

[Liquid Gold]

Beckenbaur and Moore?

 

[Deleted member 9744]

world class to me is when you’re in the top few in the world in your position. Bearing that in mind, probably neither of Sterling or Gnabry are in that group tbh. International class for sure though.

then you have the ‘all time greats’, and in my lifetime there have only been a few- Maradona, Zidane, Messi, Ronaldo (Brazil), Ronaldo (Portugal)- they’re the ones who can do things literally nobody else can do and hit levels nobody else has.

Iniesta, Platini?

 

[Deleted member 9744]

Cruyff for sure.

 

[COV]

Beckenbaur and Moore?

maybe, but I’m talking in my football watching lifetime, which is late 70s onwards. Not that I don’t rate them.

 

[CanadianCCFC]

why are they not flagging until the ball goes in the net?

So that if VAR say it was actually onside, the goal can stand

 

[Wyken Sky Blue]

Kane.

Foden probably will be, not there yet. Lots of very good players though.

Agree, plus Bellingham in a few years and possibly Mount if he continues his trajectory for Chelsea.

These players have natural ability but do they have the mentality to knuckle down and push on?

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[cc84cov]

I weren't that impressed with them .

Playing a side with no natural striker on the pitch, who were toothless in the final third.

England not comparible to this Germany, we have a goalscorer .
Plus we have more threats from set pieces

And Walker will keep up with mbappe no problem

Would be a game for Grealish winning the set pieces I worry he won’t use him in such a big game but he for me is the one who causes them al sorts of problems

 

[David O'Day]

I'm only being pedantic here but does that mean James and Chilwell are world class?

England have 1 maybe 2 world class players and one potential world class player. Germany have none, probably for the first time in more htan half a century.

Kimmich is world class when played in his best position

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

So that if VAR say it was actually onside, the goal can stand

But it's going to happen where a player that is going to be given offside by the assistant gets taken out with a late lunge from a desperate chasing defender and ends up with a serious injury unnecessarily.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Another example of Germany not being what they were. He's past his peak now and they just don't seem to have the options to replace him whereas before they'd be lining round the block.

Of the three best prospects in the Bundesliga two are English and one is Norwegian. There two centre forwards in the squad one is a former world class false nine well past hi peak and someone that can't score for toffee in the PL.

It's amazing how far they've regressed since they won the WC

Trouble is last time they were in this position they went away, reassessed and won the next tournament.

That is the difference between us and them. When they fail they genuinely look at what is going wrong and have a willingness to change what they're doing. We just largely do it lip service and try and carry on as we were as much as possible because we've got this mindset that we're English, this is our game and there's no chance we're getting it that wrong. PL best in the world etc etc.

We're also largely a team build on a few star players rather than as a team. As a nation we're still largely obsessed with strikers and pacy flair players.

I'd probably suit a German set-up as I'd like the team all paid the same flat amount with extra payments based on minutes on the pitch and everyone earning goal bonuses and a clean sheet bonus in games regardless of whether you were the actual scorer/defender etc..

 

[Liquid Gold]

Trouble is last time they were in this position they went away, reassessed and won the next tournament.

That is the difference between us and them. When they fail they genuinely look at what is going wrong and have a willingness to change what they're doing. We just largely do it lip service and try and carry on as we were as much as possible because we've got this mindset that we're English, this is our game and there's no chance we're getting it that wrong. PL best in the world etc etc.

We're also largely a team build on a few star players rather than as a team. As a nation we're still largely obsessed with strikers and pacy flair players.

I'd probably suit a German set-up as I'd like the team all paid the same flat amount with extra payments based on minutes on the pitch and everyone earning goal bonuses and a clean sheet bonus in games regardless of whether you were the actual scorer/defender etc..

The last time they were in this position was 3 years ago and they have come back this time with the same system and same manager. At least the FA have invested in St Georges park and the academy system which is starting to show it might be of benefit with Foden, Sancho and Bellingham coming though.

 

[Liquid Gold]

Kimmich is world class when played in his best position

I'd say he's in that very good but not quite world class tier. Kante is world class and Kimmich is nowhere near him.

 

[Liquid Gold]

So that if VAR say it was actually onside, the goal can stand

Like I said before, I ge tthat when it's marginal but they've kept the flag down when there has been daylight between them

 

[David O'Day]

I'd say he's in that very good but not quite world class tier. Kante is world class and Kimmich is nowhere near him.

I'd say you are wrong

 

[Liquid Gold]

I'd say you are wrong

Game of opinions enit

 

[Saddlebrains]

Got excited that there is another 2pm game









Then saw who it is

 

[Hutch11]

C'mon the Finns

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Think this will be a good game. If Finland win they will get out the group I'd have thought.

 

[Hutch11]

Think this will be a good game. If Finland win they will get out the group I'd have thought.

They'd definitely get out , if not top 2 a certain best placed 3rd

 

[Deleted member 4439]

Best ever anthem now playing!

 

[Philosoraptor]

Still say the Russian national anthem is about the best out there.

 

[Philosoraptor]

Best ever anthem now playing!

Definitely a snap there.

 

[covhead1]

C'mon you fins
1-0

 

[jordan210]

Lovely header

 

[covhead1]

Fuckin VAR
0-0
and shite commentary

 

[Deleted member 4439]

Almost a Houchen.

 

[Johnnythespider]

Really like that Finnish shirt, would look good with a red cross English version

 

[jordan210]

Fuckin VAR
0-0
and shite commentary

Must have been a very tight VAR call. At least they are quick at it.

Robyn Cowen is an awful coms. She sounds nasily