European championships 2020 thread (31 Viewers)

[Brighton Sky Blue]

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You can have a good gameplan and stifle more talented opposition without looking like Brazil you know- they were better than us tonight and that’s the bottom line- we can blame who we want but it’s happened enough times to suggest it’s not all about England “not being arsed”.

Yes, tonight it is. We were set up to play possession football on a soaking wet pitch with a half-fit Harry Kane lumbering around up front. There was no intensity, no tempo and the Scottish defence was barely pressurised so there was no test to pass. Yes this is always Scotland's cup final but their nerves were clear in the opening spell but once it became clear we weren't attempting to win they had free rein to do as they pleased.

Just they are very weak up front so didn't take any of the 3 or 4 golden chances presented

 

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

And yet , we looked no better..

Sadly

Wales will do better, that much I'm confident of. Giving more of a shit and their talisman isn't walking through treacle

 

[stay_up_skyblues]

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You can have a good gameplan and stifle more talented opposition without looking like Brazil you know- they were better than us tonight and that’s the bottom line- we can blame who we want but it’s happened enough times to suggest it’s not all about England “not being arsed”.

Be nice if he reacted though. It’s a bit of a barmy notion but he could even change the formation a bit… maybe, dare I say, stick two strikers on the pitch for half an hour, get the ball forward and attack them. As it is we only took two and one looks bollocksed already.

 

[Evo1883]

Well that was shite - Kane should have been off at 60 - Mount put three corners in that didn’t get past the first man - Bellingham should have come on for him - we could have been out of sight - good save from Pickford

I think if Bellingham comes on , kanes game automatically improves as does our forward play in general

 

[Great_Expectations]

Tonight was a terrible lacklustre performance, and a very disappointing result, but in a lot of ways it’s also a game in isolation. We won’t play a Scotland again.

That isn’t an excuse for an overly cautious display, but some balance on the we’re crap and might get knocked out argument.

Kane has been absolutely non-existent, but our only alternative is DCL who looks poor to me.

Sterling wasn’t great today ans I was disappointed when he started last game, but he was great against Croatia and while poor tonight at least he didn’t hide and was involved.

He won’t do it, but Grealish and Sancho for Sterling and Phillips next game. Sit Mount deeper. Or have Foden, Mount, Grealish behind Kane.

 

[Evo1883]

Wales will do better, that much I'm confident of. Giving more of a shit and their talisman isn't walking through treacle

Problem isn't kane mate , he's just won the PL golden boot .

Southgate is not getting the best from these forwards at all , from these players infact

Mount looked gash
Foden looked gash
Kane looked gash
Sterling looked gash

The problem isn't the players

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Problem isn't kane mate , he's just won the PL golden boot .

Southgate is not getting the best from these forwards at all

Kane doesn't look fit or focused is my point, there is of course no doubting his quality when firing on all cylinders.

 

[clint van damme]

The frustration for me is that he said he would pick and play those who have been performing, he's going against his word and as we have seen again today, has favourites.

I'm not a massive Lingard fan, but he has had an incredible season. He deserved to go. Even look at our bench today. How on earth some of those didn't get a go is really baffling.

I hope to be proved wrong but I think it'll cost us. I can see a scenario where he drops a few players who have been poor against the Czech's only to reinstate them again in the round of 16. Make it look like he is being proactive when in actual fact it is the same predictable shit every time.

Although theres a bit of a conundrum here, Sterling shouldn't have started Sunday, but he was, and scored, so shouldn't he have been selected tonight?

 

[Evo1883]

Kane doesn't look fit or focused is my point, there is of course no doubting his quality when firing on all cylinders.

I'd be with you if the other forwards didn't also look lost and devoid of any ideas

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Although theres a bit of a conundrum here, Sterling shouldn't have started Sunday, but he was, and scored, so shouldn't he have been selected tonight?

Tonight required a very different game plan to the one on Sunday.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I'd be with you if the other forwards didn't also look lost and devoid of any ideas

Rashford is at least match fit but you're right, Lingard deserves to at least be in the squad

 

[stupot07]

what standard did Kane look like tonight? Or Sterling? Or pretty much any of them?

this is precisely the kind of arrogance that makes people dislike us.

That's exactly the point he is making.

You say its arrogance but Scotland would be having the same conversations if they had played poorly and were lucky to get a draw against a team like Uganda.

World rankings:
4th England
44th Scotland
84th Uganda

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[Evo1883]

If kane was playing upfront for Italy he'd have 4 goals already .

We've created pretty much fuck all In 2 matches

 

[COV]

Tonight was a terrible lacklustre performance, and a very disappointing result, but in a lot of ways it’s also a game in isolation. We won’t play a Scotland again.

That isn’t an excuse for an overly cautious display, but some balance on the we’re crap and might get knocked out argument.

Kane has been absolutely non-existent, but our only alternative is DCL who looks poor to me.

Sterling wasn’t great today ans I was disappointed when he started last game, but he was great against Croatia and while poor tonight at least he didn’t hide and was involved.

He won’t do it, but Grealish and Sancho for Sterling and Phillips next game. Sit Mount deeper. Or have Foden, Mount, Grealish behind Kane.

for the older amongst us: i clearly rememberer Italia ‘90- England 1 Ireland 1. The papers were calling for the team to be sent home after one game there was so much disgust at drawing against such lesser opposition, and people wanted Robson’s head straight after the match.

im not saying for one minute Southgate is a Robson and we’re gonna get to the semis, but these types of games against “local lesser opposition” are always the same. That didn’t even look like an international match, the quality was just dire.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

what standard did Kane look like tonight? Or Sterling? Or pretty much any of them?

this is precisely the kind of arrogance that makes people dislike us.

It isn't arrogant to state that Scotland have only 4 players who feature regularly in the top flight, it's a fact. Any half-decent European team would have comfortably turned us over playing like that.

 

[Evo1883]

for the older amongst us: i clearly rememberer Italia ‘90- England 1 Ireland 1. The papers were calling for the team to be sent home after one game there was so much disgust at drawing against such lesser opposition, and people wanted Robson’s head straight after the match.

im not saying for one minute Southgate is a Robson and we’re gonna get to the semis, but these types of games against “local lesser opposition” are always the same. That didn’t even look like an international match, the quality was just dire.

The problem is though we also lose against the better sides too , so what's to look forward too?

 

[COV]

That's exactly the point he is making.

You say its arrogance but Scotland would be having the same conversations if they had played poorly and were lucky to get a drew against a team like Uganda.

World rankings:
4th England
44th Scotland
84th Uganda

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that’s just nonsense. None of that matters when it’s England v Scotland.

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

for the older amongst us: i clearly rememberer Italia ‘90- England 1 Ireland 1. The papers were calling for the team to be sent home after one game there was so much disgust at drawing against such lesser opposition, and people wanted Robson’s head straight after the match.

im not saying for one minute Southgate is a Robson and we’re gonna get to the semis, but these types of games against “local lesser opposition” are always the same. That didn’t even look like an international match, the quality was just dire.

Tbf I don’t think it was that much better against Croatia or in any of the warm up games, admittedly with a weaker squad

 

[COV]

The problem is though we also lose against the better sides too , so what's to look forward too?

ah, now that I have no idea about.

but it’s hardly a new problem, is it.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

for the older amongst us: i clearly rememberer Italia ‘90- England 1 Ireland 1. The papers were calling for the team to be sent home after one game there was so much disgust at drawing against such lesser opposition, and people wanted Robson’s head straight after the match.

im not saying for one minute Southgate is a Robson and we’re gonna get to the semis, but these types of games against “local lesser opposition” are always the same. That didn’t even look like an international match, the quality was just dire.

Robson did not have home advantage in every match and it's generally accepted that the only game we showed up for in 1990 was the one we lost.

 

[CJ_covblaze]

I mean , Andy Robertson walks into our team so it's a bit disingenuous to call them plumbers and P.E teachers .

Moron

Fair enough. Harsh on them. My apologies. Just feels like a punch in the gut at the moment. Similar to the game in St Etienne in a way. So much of the ball but we lacked the killer instinct when it was blatantly obvious what we needed to do to to change that. Says a lot really that that night was worse in many ways than the Iceland game a week later.

A year ago Robertson does. Chilwell is now better than him and I have no idea why he’s not playing. We also need to find a way to get Grealish and Bellingham in the starting line up on Tuesday. Who’s dropped though for that to happen?

 

[covmark]

That's exactly the point he is making.

You say its arrogance but Scotland would be having the same conversations if they had played poorly and were lucky to get a draw against a team like Uganda.

World rankings:
4th England
44th Scotland
84th Uganda

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Except Scotland v Uganda isn't a local derby you clown.
Jesus

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[SlowerThanPlatt]

Fair enough. Harsh on them. My apologies. Just feels like a punch in the gut at the moment. Similar to the game in St Etienne in a way. So much of the ball but we lacked the killer instinct when it was blatantly obvious what we needed to do to to change that. Says a lot really that that night was worse in many ways than the Iceland game a week later.

A year ago Robertson does. Chilwell is now better than him and I have no idea why he’s not playing. We also need to find a way to get Grealish and Bellingham in the starting line up on Tuesday. Who’s dropped though for that to happen?

Chilwell isn’t better than Robertson

 

[stupot07]

Except Scotland v Uganda isn't a local derby you clown.
Jesus

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I didnt say it was.

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[COV]

Robson did not have home advantage in every match and it's generally accepted that the only game we showed up for in 1990 was the one we lost.

that’s false- we played Holland off the pitch and were unlucky to draw.
In fact it was your archetypal England-style set of games- huff and puff against “lesser” opposition, and put in massive performances against the big teams, only for it to end in heartbreak on penalties and open top bus parades to commemorate the failure.

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

Chilwell isn’t better than Robertson

And Grealish is a great player for Villa but in his 30 minutes today or whatever it was offered little apart from winning free kicks in his own half. Would have been great for Scotland, not so for England

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Except Scotland v Uganda isn't a local derby you clown.
Jesus

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Really?

 

[Evo1883]

Fair enough. Harsh on them. My apologies. Just feels like a punch in the gut at the moment. Similar to the game in St Etienne in a way. So much of the ball but we lacked the killer instinct when it was blatantly obvious what we needed to do to to change that. Says a lot really that that night was worse in many ways than the Iceland game a week later.

A year ago Robertson does. Chilwell is now better than him and I have no idea why he’s not playing. We also need to find a way to get Grealish and Bellingham in the starting line up on Tuesday. Who’s dropped though for that to happen?

Chilwell isn't better than Andy Robertson..full stop

 

[covmark]

I didnt say it was.

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You were comparing Uganda v Scotland with England v Scotland. One is a local derby, one isn't

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

And Grealish is a great player for Villa but in his 30 minutes today or whatever it was offered little apart from winning free kicks in his own half. Would have been great for Scotland, not so for England

Well it seems like he was basically told to dribble past the entire Scottish team and round the keeper judging by what he got up to.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

You were comparing Uganda v Scotland with England v Scotland. One is a local derby, one isn't

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Emoji number 5

 

[Evo1883]

You were comparing Uganda v Scotland with England v Scotland. One is a local derby, one isn't

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He's saying uganda would celebrate a draw against Scotland the same way Scotland would celebrate a draw against England.

Do you think Uganda would celebrate a draw against Scotland when you consider they recently lost to Malawi and drew with burkina faso ?

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Although theres a bit of a conundrum here, Sterling shouldn't have started Sunday, but he was, and scored, so shouldn't he have been selected tonight?

Well, that's the dilemma in a sense.
In the last tournament he was absolutely awful but kept getting picked. Then, he had a good twenty minute spell against Sweden where he had Granqvist on his arse (an outgoing 30 something centre back who plays in the league one standard Allsvenskan) and suddenly he was out of jail.

His goal against Croatia was good, but if that had been Sancho or Grealish, Southgate wouldn't hesitate to drop them. With Sterling its license to play him first pick.

He wasn't the only one that was crap today, but I would really like to see an England team without him for a prolonged period. We have so much exciting and decent talent on the bench that deserves a chance.

 

[CJ_covblaze]

And Grealish is a great player for Villa but in his 30 minutes today or whatever it was offered little apart from winning free kicks in his own half. Would have been great for Scotland, not so for England

The moment he gets on the ball the opposition look scared and they know they’re either going to draw a foul or he creates a chance. It’s also noticeable how they have to change how they play and mark.

 

[covmark]

He's saying uganda would celebrate a draw against Scotland the same way Scotland would celebrate a draw against England.

Do you think Uganda would celebrate a draw against Scotland when you consider they recently lost to Malawi and drew with burkina faso ?

No

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