Evo1883
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If the money is right
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SlowerThanPlatt
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In a Euros preview I listened to one of the guests said English players had played considerably more minutes than any other nation this season, which makes the lack of subs more baffling.
Mucca Mad Boys
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For the round of 16, yes. But the quarters and semis would be a tougher draw.
higgs
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It's always the same star men for the club's and on paper that English team should be challenging for major honours every tournament especially with how they piss through the qualifying campaigns and then flatter to deceive in the actual tournament. But all is not lost there is talent there they might click as the tournament goes on
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baldy
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SlowerThanPlatt
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The lack of quality English managers hurts us, compare that to the Germans, Klopp/Tuchel/Low/Flick
SlowerThanPlatt
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Highest ranked English manager is Dean Smith I think?
Evo1883
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And a better manager than Gareth
Torquay Sky Blue
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Is Saka injured ? I like him but may be a worry to Gareth as he gets into the area on occasions
Mucca Mad Boys
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Something to try and cheer you all up a bit. Even 1990 and 1996 had stinkers apparently.
www.telegraph.co.uk
This was as dispiriting as it gets for England, but here's why all is not lost
England's drab draw with Scotland was their most disappointing performance in five years but it is not time to give up hope yet
www.telegraph.co.uk
Grendel
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Something to try and cheer you all up a bit. Even 1990 and 1996 had stinkers apparently.
This was as dispiriting as it gets for England, but here's why all is not lost
England's drab draw with Scotland was their most disappointing performance in five years but it is not time to give up hope yet
Best example was Italy in 1982 World Cup they didn’t win a single game in the first group stage
covmark
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Nor did Portugal in the last Euros did they? Think they drew them all.
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I know it’s seen as old fashioned, but unless you’re complete minnows, international teams shouldn’t be having foreign managers. Didn’t agree with it when we had Sven and Capello, wouldn’t agree with it if we replaced Southgate with Conte etc. It just goes against the spirit of the competition IMO.
We just need to embrace the fact that we’re getting Eddie Howe and we’ll never make it out of the quarters for another few tournaments.
We just need to embrace the fact that we’re getting Eddie Howe and we’ll never make it out of the quarters for another few tournaments.
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In other countries, their managers get the chance to fail, without their reputation being irreparably damaged, too. We decide one bad effort and that's it, you're scarred for life.
The natural leap for an Eddie Howe is the Spurs or Arsenal job but, apart from Rogers at Liverpool and now Leicester, clubs would rather look abroad for a manager, anyway. And that's all well and good when it's the very best managers you're going for, but otherwise...
Mucca Mad Boys
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More recently Portugal too - they looked terrible in 2016.
Very disappointed with the result last night, but things can improve and as long as we’re in the tournament, there’s a chance we can win.
Intense rivalries can bridge the gap in quality, it’s not quite the same, but even Finland beat Denmark.
Not sure how true that is - managers like Steve Bruce and Roy Hodgson have been given chance after chance, regardless of their past failures. Lampard will probably get another job next season (some wanted him to get the England U21 job!)
I think your second point about teams preferring foreign managers is a big problem though. It’s not like at the players’ level, where young English players can benefit from playing with foreign imports, even if it stops them getting game time. A foreign manager is going to bring his entire coaching staff with him, leaving no room for domestic coaches to learn from them - it could take years for their coaching methods to trickle down, by which time the game has usually moved on tactically. The ‘win at all costs’ mentality of the Premier League makes for great entertainment at the weekend, and misery in the summer every four years.
The claim was “one bad effort and that’s it, you’re scarred for life”. Hodgson failed miserably at Liverpool (among others), and then subsequently got two Premier League appointments and the England job.
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He also took forever to get a job in this country, before Blackburn gave him a chance.
Then had to leave the country again to rebuild his reputation.
Grendel
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I do wonder if SBT actually watches sport at all
Wyken Sky Blue
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Whilst we weren't losing we still should've got Mike Basset in at HT:
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He got West Brom, England and Palace! And he did pretty well at all of them, of course - I like Hodgson. I was just pointing out there isn’t some “one strike and you’re out” policy against English managers.
Oh they sold it well,the post match commentary was a stupendous marketing tutorial.
I mean what is a nation in restrictions and Monsoon conditions supposed to do of a Friday night?
About as compelling as Kent Walton down at Bedworth civic hall on a Saturday afternoon.
Liquid Gold
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What was worst-last night was so fucking shit. Was like watching England Iceland again. Hodgson ball. Possession for the sake of possession. No attacking intent. No identity through what we do. It was terrible.
If we can’t beat a team made up of championship players then we should just get out now.Absolute waste of a team.
If we can’t beat a team made up of championship players then we should just get out now.Absolute waste of a team.
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What he didn't do was get a chance until he'd built a reputation abroad - a spell as caretaker at Bristol City when they were a basket case was enought to write him off. On leaving Blackburn, he then needed to go away and rebuild, get that track record. To all intents, Hodgson is exactly the case of a 'foreign' manager being given more leeway, even if his passport says he's British.
We see it with Howe - failure at Burnley, some say. Well no, he was average at Burnley, what he does deserve is a chance somewhere else and, if that fails, he doesn't deserve to be written off for posterity.
Liquid Gold
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We should try and win the group. Portugal at Wembley would be tough but I’d rather that and then Poland in Rome in the quarters then taking Sweden/Spain in Copenhagen then France in the quarters in wherever.
Keep hold of the home advantage and if we’re going to be eliminated the first time we come up against a decent team then we may as well get it out of the way early.
Keep hold of the home advantage and if we’re going to be eliminated the first time we come up against a decent team then we may as well get it out of the way early.
oscillatewildly
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I've simmered down sufficiently I think - aided by a run this morning.
Liquid Gold
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Also, Kane is clearly not on form. He must be able to see that in training. Why the fuck has he taken only one alternative and why the fuck has he not utilised that one option.
SeaSeeEffCee
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Are you expecting Poland to beat Spain and Sweden after the dreadful performance they put in against Slovakia? We’d play the winner of that group or third in A/B/C/D in the hypothetical quarters.
As a few have said, he looks a bit leggy but to be fair to him we’ve created fuck all. Sterling should never have played the full 90