chiefdave
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Did they ever actually admit transmission in schools was a thing after months of denying it?
Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (13 Viewers)
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Sky Blue Pete
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Course not teachers fault isn’t it
Skybluefaz
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We've ended up booking both kids in for pcr tests tomorrow. I had a couple of days booked off anyway but now my wife will be out of her school. Amazed a man of the calibre of Gavin Williamson has allowed things to descend into such a farce.
Sky Blue Pete
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Careful captain hindsight
Skybluefaz
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I know right.
Sky Blue Pete
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baldy
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It’s like Andrew Marr yesterday whining about the fact that he’d caught covid even though he’d been double-jabbed &,as the doctor he was interviewing rightly said,that‘s fine…he didn’t die,he didn’t get admitted to hospital - so what if people get it? It proves the vaccines work & we do have to start living with it now for gods sake
fernandopartridge
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The issue is that a lot of people are not fully vaccinated or have even been offered one and the vaccination programme is running at a snail's pace now. There are still 24m adults yet to have a second dose, half of whom haven't had the first. That is a lot of susceptible people.
pipkin73
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Think this might be a long one.
I've applied for my jab out here but told my registration numbers don't register. but they will call me to sort it out.
All in Spanish so when they called i never had a clue as i speak only a little Spanish (spoke more before i moved here).
Called the British Embassy as they were asking foreign nationals to call if problems getting the jab and as i always used to pay private when ill, they told me to call the surgery i used and they should be able to help.
On the local Canaries paper, they said they realized that lots of people were not registered with an NHS doctor and private instead so go to your private doctors to ask for help.
This was my reply from my doctor's private surgery.
Have you used the app? I showed them i have, their response "well go back to England and get it done there, if not wait until the end of the year once all the Canarians are done and get it done at the Pharmacy, just keep wearing your mask.
At the same time, a neighbour has just gone to her Scandie clinic. (no residencia, just a NIF (NIF basically is just you saying you are here)). Anyway, she got her injection 1 week later.
At the same time, my old doctors in England have called me up 3 times now for my jab.
I've told them via phone and email i live abroad now and to give my jab to someone else (infact i told them about 16 years ago when i moved out here).
Looks like from the 15th of July we can have UK tourists and believe me we need you all.
So what do i do?
Wait for Gran Canaria to sort itself out vaccine-wise or fly back to to UK.
If i fly back to the UK, i have to quarantine for 10 days on arrival. Get my first jab and then wait for my second before coming back here. I could be gone for approx 8 weeks, likely more.
1 my jabs should go to someone still living in the UK
2 i should get sorted here, not be told "go back to England and get it done there"
So effin confused, want and need all you toursists back here. Tenerife has high leveks of Covidl Virus and back on level 3, but ALL the other islands are safe.
158 of the 195
new cases are Tenerife.
In fact, in the first Tenerife figure, there was 164,3 cases per 100,000 inhabitants and a the second of 131.1 on the island of Tenerife.
In Gran Canaria it was 14 days, 39.92 per 100,000 inhabitants, In Tenerife it was 7 days ,18.72 per 100,000 inhabitants
I've applied for my jab out here but told my registration numbers don't register. but they will call me to sort it out.
All in Spanish so when they called i never had a clue as i speak only a little Spanish (spoke more before i moved here).
Called the British Embassy as they were asking foreign nationals to call if problems getting the jab and as i always used to pay private when ill, they told me to call the surgery i used and they should be able to help.
On the local Canaries paper, they said they realized that lots of people were not registered with an NHS doctor and private instead so go to your private doctors to ask for help.
This was my reply from my doctor's private surgery.
Have you used the app? I showed them i have, their response "well go back to England and get it done there, if not wait until the end of the year once all the Canarians are done and get it done at the Pharmacy, just keep wearing your mask.
At the same time, a neighbour has just gone to her Scandie clinic. (no residencia, just a NIF (NIF basically is just you saying you are here)). Anyway, she got her injection 1 week later.
At the same time, my old doctors in England have called me up 3 times now for my jab.
I've told them via phone and email i live abroad now and to give my jab to someone else (infact i told them about 16 years ago when i moved out here).
Looks like from the 15th of July we can have UK tourists and believe me we need you all.
So what do i do?
Wait for Gran Canaria to sort itself out vaccine-wise or fly back to to UK.
If i fly back to the UK, i have to quarantine for 10 days on arrival. Get my first jab and then wait for my second before coming back here. I could be gone for approx 8 weeks, likely more.
1 my jabs should go to someone still living in the UK
2 i should get sorted here, not be told "go back to England and get it done there"
So effin confused, want and need all you toursists back here. Tenerife has high leveks of Covidl Virus and back on level 3, but ALL the other islands are safe.
158 of the 195
new cases are Tenerife.
In fact, in the first Tenerife figure, there was 164,3 cases per 100,000 inhabitants and a the second of 131.1 on the island of Tenerife.
In Gran Canaria it was 14 days, 39.92 per 100,000 inhabitants, In Tenerife it was 7 days ,18.72 per 100,000 inhabitants
Brighton Sky Blue
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At last
Covid: School isolation rules could end in autumn
Parents' frustration is mounting over the disruption to children's education and their own working lives.
www.bbc.co.uk
SBAndy
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At last
Covid: School isolation rules could end in autumn
Parents' frustration is mounting over the disruption to children's education and their own working lives.www.bbc.co.uk
But why do they need to do daily tests? By the time September/October rolls around we should have everyone who wants it double-jabbed. Don’t get me wrong, I’m sure it’s nice to have the data but you don’t do tests to see if you have flu, for example. As many of you will be aware, I’m on the more cautious side of things but by that time we really do have to live with it and that’s that (assuming no adverse info/data in the meantime).
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Deleted member 5849
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Still need to know various things we don't know yet - what happens when vaccines weaken for example, what happens if other variants come along...
And before I get jumped on by the usuals, that can actually be a positive thing, if the data shows vaccines hold up well over a reasonable period of time, and that variants don't break it. Spread of the virus will also show whenever it's been suppressed to a point where vaccine top-ups aren't necessary, too.
Skybluefaz
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Kids aren't vaccinated though so you won't get that sort of data from them surely?
Brighton Sky Blue
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It’s one step closer to them just letting me do my job properly and giving something close to a proper education. Really need to just drop bubbles, drop mandated isolation and allow teachers around the room.
Sky Blue Pete
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Mobile phone ban plan to improve school behaviour
Phone bans and other ways to create "calm classrooms" are considered in a consultation on discipline.
www.bbc.co.uk
Gavin’s priority
D
Deleted member 5849
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You will, because it'll show prevalence in the community Vs serious illness.
The issue is as much transmission as anything else. If there ends up little to transmit...
Brighton Sky Blue
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Flu wants you to hold its beer, it’s been waiting for 18 months
Nick
Administrator
When it is September / October if they still hammer the tests it's a perfect reason for another lockdown.
If we got tested for a cold / flu then the world would end because of nobody ever leaving the house.
Yeah, still so much to learn. Unfortunately I can’t see herd immunity (total suppression) happening as quickly as I originally thought. Kids not vaccinated (and not sure if young uns should be) and also a mate mentioned something the other day that I’d not even considered, what about all the unregistered/undocumented people, let alone future tourists/work travellers, anti vax etc ?!
That’s also why however much Australia and NZ have been lauded for their approach (justifiably if it all works out as planned), I can’t see them reopening for a while yet*
*an even more transmissible/deadlier strain taking hold over there doesn’t bear thinking about
chiefdave
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Last summer the government was suggesting that moving forward we could be doing similar tests for flu and those that are sick would be encouraged to stay at home. They spoke about learning lessons from covid and applying it elsewhere. A change from the culture of it being seen as a good thing if you struggle into work sick.
If we're going to live with covid moving forward then its likely testing is here to stay and if we're going to be testing people with symptoms why not also test them for flu and see if we can get numbers, and therefore deaths, for that down as well.
Find it a bit strange that in some countries that experienced bad SARS outbreaks they took the lessons and made minor adjustments to their daily lives to try and prevent similar happening again. We seem to be determined to take no lessons from this in the rush to get back to 'normal'.
chiefdave
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The good news is that has already been considered and there are 'no questions asked' vaccination clinics for the likes of the homeless and others who may not have documentation.
Suspect the problem is going to be getting the message across and will need the assistance of people in those communities. May also be a fear that the promise of 'no questions asked' may not be kept.
Pharmacists launch service to vaccinate homeless people and undocumented migrants against COVID-19 - The Pharmaceutical Journal (pharmaceutical-journal.com)
Marty
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Does undocumented just mean illegals?
Skybluefaz
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Just been to the moat street testing place. Ten times busier than when I last had to go.
SBAndy
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My counter argument there is where do you draw the line? Do we have kids taking tests every day until the next full outbreak just so we know when the vaccine starts to weaken?
I know I’m talking extremities here, and I suppose given the ability of the virus to be asymptomatic maybe it is a requirement, but I feel like it’s a bit of a peculiar request. Once a week maybe, but every day?
Fully with you here, I really do think lessons should be learned and I don’t think going exactly back to pre-Covid is sensible. We need to think about what adjustments should be made to ensure we’re a more resilient society in the future, though.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Why do we seem to be suggesting that nobody should get ill again?
Nick
Administrator
They are going to need to change the laws on sick pay then.
People are always going to go into work sick if staying off means they lose out on money.
Skybluefaz
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Police investigating after Chris Whitty accosted in park - BBC News
Boris Johnson says he is "shocked" by the "despicable harassment" of England's chief medical officer.
www.bbc.com
Fucking idiots.
Skybluefaz
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Do they ever learn?
Sky Blue Pete
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I don’t disagree we need to start doing more but the mixed messaging with this is not good. Just open up or not
chiefdave
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Wouldn't hold your breath. That's been mentioned many times in relation to taking time off for quarantine and nothing has been done.
And then of course you have to asses how many people would take the piss and constantly be saying they were infectious to get a few days off.
It is annoying when people come into the office and happily tell everyone how bad they feel and spread it around. Needs a culture change so that is seen as a bad thing rather than a positive.
Sky Blue Pete
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You know it’s not all or nothing don’t you? We could keep masks and reduce transmission of certain viruses and still open everything else. I think once you feel there is an ulterior motive for the restrictions then it’s so hard to stay on board
Do you feel there’s something other than public health that is leading restrictions?
Brighton Sky Blue
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In teaching it is more effort to be off than in because of the need to set work for every class, re-teach the stuff that wasn’t done in the cover lesson etc.
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Deleted member 5849
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Yeah...
Of course at some point we'll end up with the uber transmittable, mild Covid - that's the holy grail!