Bile ad nauseum (8 Viewers)

[SkyBlueSwiss]

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[mark82]

Seconded

 

[ClarrieB]

I usually just read this forum and rarely leave a message, and I am neither in nor out of the Thorn camp.
But I just had to say something now. I have been following this forum for a few months now, and watching the anti-Thorn brigade take any excuse to rip him down, watching them turn just about every topic into anti-Thorn tirades. It is pathetic, and I get the feeling they are so rabid now that they don't even realise they are doing it.
They bring the same twisted statistics "proving" he is the worst manager ever when they logically must know that isolated statistics are meaningless whilst at the same time ignoring and attacking any comment from less rabid posters that in any form whatsoever seem to be supporting Thorn.

It would be laughable if it wasn't so pathetic and so very, very boring.
I am not a fan of Thorn, and I also thought he might have done better at some times, but I recognise the truth of what he was left to work with - especially at the end of the season when he was forced to put crocked academy players and untried teenagers on the field to make up numbers. Yes, he failed to motivate sometimes and sometimes his tactics (if any) were more than confusing. But somehow he managed to keep up moral and he kept the players on his side, which was remarkable given the circumstances.

Yes, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but for me personally it has become more than pathetic hearing the same bile spewed forth ad nauseum.

Nick,
I know you are no fan of Thorn's, but can't something be done about these anti-Thorn posters turning just about every single topic into an anti-Thorn tirades? It is ruining this forum for me, and I suspect for many others.

Another long post from a new member who is neither for or against AT but want's to attack other fans for having an opinion.

 

[Grendel]

I usually just read this forum and rarely leave a message, and I am neither in nor out of the Thorn camp.
But I just had to say something now. I have been following this forum for a few months now, and watching the anti-Thorn brigade take any excuse to rip him down, watching them turn just about every topic into anti-Thorn tirades. It is pathetic, and I get the feeling they are so rabid now that they don't even realise they are doing it.
They bring the same twisted statistics "proving" he is the worst manager ever when they logically must know that isolated statistics are meaningless whilst at the same time ignoring and attacking any comment from less rabid posters that in any form whatsoever seem to be supporting Thorn.

It would be laughable if it wasn't so pathetic and so very, very boring.
I am not a fan of Thorn, and I also thought he might have done better at some times, but I recognise the truth of what he was left to work with - especially at the end of the season when he was forced to put crocked academy players and untried teenagers on the field to make up numbers. Yes, he failed to motivate sometimes and sometimes his tactics (if any) were more than confusing. But somehow he managed to keep up moral and he kept the players on his side, which was remarkable given the circumstances.

Yes, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but for me personally it has become more than pathetic hearing the same bile spewed forth ad nauseum.

Nick,
I know you are no fan of Thorn's, but can't something be done about these anti-Thorn posters turning just about every single topic into an anti-Thorn tirades? It is ruining this forum for me, and I suspect for many others.

There are 13 posts live at the moment - how many have anti-Thorn "bile" on them?

 

[Otis]

Ahh, the old anti-Thorn/pro-Thorn thing again.


Amusing the amount of posters who say they are 'not a fan of Thorn' but then get into tirades about the 'anti Thorn brigade.'


The way I see it is that most people are just posters posting about what they see is right and when they see things are wrong. We have just been relegated, so pretty much everything has been wrong of late (club from top to bottom).

If we start doing well I am sure Thorn will get praise. If we do badly he will quite rightly get criticised. That is the camp I am in. When he gets it right I praise him, when he gets it wrong I give him stick.

Don't see any problem with that at all.

I see very few people who are 'anti Thorn.' They are just yet to be convinced by him.

 

[Grendel]

Another long post from a new member who is neither for or against AT but want's to attack other fans for having an opinion.

I know what utter nonsense - what's really funny is this will now be an anti-Thorn thread!

 

[ClarrieB]

I know what utter nonsense - what's really funny is this will now be an anti-Thorn thread!

I was thinking the same thing - Are we sure this isn't mary_mungo_midge - writing style does seem similar and I know they are keen to con the masses into thinking they are the majority.

 

[Nick]

There is not much I can do, if people don't rate Thorn then I can't stop them from thinking it the same as if they love Thorn.

You have just moaned about there being loads of threads yet you started another?

As it is pre season there is not much else to talk about.

Yes we can insist threads stay on topic but I can't really tell people what to think and not to have an opinion can I?

 

[mark82]

Think the time to judge Thorn is this season. We had the squad torn apart last season and were always going to struggle. I don't think thorn did a particularly good or bad job last season. It is what it is, we had probably the worst squad in the league and that was always ending in relegation.

 

[Grendel]

I was thinking the same thing - Are we sure this isn't mary_mungo_midge - writing style does seem similar and I know they are keen to con the masses into thinking they are the majority.

I suspect it is someone who posts regularly and you may be correct.

 

[mark82]

I suspect it is someone who posts regularly and you may be correct.

Why would they lie? Because it supports your theory that you are in the majority?

 

[ajsccfc]

Placing people in camps or brigades based on certain opinions is pointless and stupid. What if someone thinks Thorn did one thing right but messed up another, and has a human brain capable of looking at both sides of an argument without planting their flag steadfastly and stubbornly in one while closing their eyes and shouting lalalalalalala?

 

[CTID]

On first glance at the title of this thread i thougt it was some sort of foreign language :facepalm:

 

[Grendel]

Why would they lie? Because it supports your theory that you are in the majority?

Not saying they are but it seems rather curious to me.

People just need to accept some have views different to others. The suggestion that some fans should be vetoed from criticising a manager on a football forum makes us collectively a laughing stock especially one who has delivered the worst league positions in over half a century.

I would understand it if the Euromillions thread or the Godiva thread were hijacked by us nasty anti-Thorn terrorists with our appalling views but they are not. I don't care who is the majority and who isn't. I don't care if it is just me with a view I can express it if I want as can anyone else - this isn't North Korea - people need to grow up and accept that shock horror some football fans may hold a manager to account when they think he isn't very good. How shocking.

 

[ClarrieB]

Why would they lie? Because it supports your theory that you are in the majority?

Actually Mark - I don't think anyone labelled as Anti Thorn has argued that they are in the majority - the whole minority/majority think was an invention of the so called 'pro-thorn' posters.

There are a few of these posters who have some ridiculous double standards.

If think that in reality both are in a minority but that will change dramatically with a swing for the thorn-out camp into the majority should he fail to deliver.

Now, my personal conclusion is that he will not only fail but he is actually not capable of delivering.

It's tough enough for an experienced manager but for a rookie - no chance.

When we are down there again at Christmas I am sure he (AT) will be blaming the younger players again as he hasn't got the bottle to go after the senior players IMO, certainly not publicly because they will tell him a few home truths - I think that's what happened with Freddie tbh.

 

[We'll_live_and_die]

Can someone please point out who the anti Thorn brigade are? I read and contribute to this forum daily, but have trouble Identifying the so called "brigade".

Why don't people stop moaning about this non existant troupe and get on with life.

 

[Diehard Si]

There are 13 posts live at the moment - how many have anti-Thorn "bile" on them?

Oh come on they nearly all do. I often check a post when it has new replies hoping to find something useful or some new info and it's been derailed into slating Thorn ( or Bell ).

I know there isn't a lot more to talk about but it's excessive.

 

[ClarrieB]

Can someone please point out who the anti Thorn brigade are? I read and contribute to this forum daily, but have trouble Identifying the so called "brigade".

Why don't people stop moaning about this non existant troupe and get on with life.

I doubt they will though - The generalised nature of their thinly veiled attacks suit's their agenda which I can only guess is something like they feel they need to defend AT?

 

[ajsccfc]

I always suspected Rich was part of the anti-brigade brigade. Rise up, anti-anti-brigade brigade and take out this menace!

 

[Grendel]

Oh come on they nearly all do. I often check a post when it has new replies hoping to find something useful or some new info and it's been derailed into slating Thorn ( or Bell ).

I know there isn't a lot more to talk about but it's excessive.

30% of the live ones do - curiously all with the name Thorn in the title. Oh and the Euromillions one - I've hijacked it that thread is now under terrorist alert - be careful if you visit it.

 

[Otis]

Oh come on they nearly all do. I often check a post when it has new replies hoping to find something useful or some new info and it's been derailed into slating Thorn ( or Bell ).

I know there isn't a lot more to talk about but it's excessive.

Ahh .... but David Bell is different.

I thought everyone was in the Anti-Bell brigade!

 

[ClarrieB]

I always suspected Rich was part of the anti-brigade brigade. Rise up, anti-anti-brigade brigade and take out this menace!

I would have 'liked' your post but, I'm wondering if you're half serious...

 

[Grendel]

Classic response mostly from precisely those posters I might have expected such a response from.

I am who I say I am - why look for something that isn't there? If you think I am someone else, just ask Nick please. What sort of minds do you have that make you think in such a manner?

And thank you for the comparison to MMM - an eminently sensible and erudite poster.

Ah well, given the response, I suppose I must expect the tirades to continue. Probably best not to bother coming on here again until after the season has started and some posters potentially might have something other than bile on your minds.

Excellent - loses the argument and disappears in a day - I wish Thorn would.

 

[ajsccfc]

Anti-bile concedes to pro-bile, it seems. Join us next week on Robot Wars. Awooga.

 

[Diehard Si]

Ahh .... but David Bell is different.

I thought everyone was in the Anti-Bell brigade!

If he puts a shift in this season I'm prepared to back him all the way. Why not, he plays for us right? Most players have bad patches and suffer lack of confidence..

 

[ajsccfc]

I would have 'liked' your post but, I'm wondering if you're half serious...

I'm still reading it back to work out if anti-anti-brigade brigade makes sense to be honest. Jury's out.

 

[Diehard Si]

Excellent - loses the argument and disappears in a day - I wish Thorn would.

Being shouted down by a clique doesn't make him wrong

 

[ClarrieB]

Classic response mostly from precisely those posters I might have expected such a response from.

I am who I say I am - why look for something that isn't there? If you think I am someone else, just ask Nick please. What sort of minds do you have that make you think in such a manner?

And thank you for the comparison to MMM - an eminently sensible and erudite poster.

Ah well, given the response, I suppose I must expect the tirades to continue. Probably best not to bother coming on here again until after the season has started and some posters potentially might have something other than bile on your minds.

You should be able to cope against a small minority....

You may take our threads but they will never take our freedom!

 

[ClarrieB]

Being shouted down by a clique doesn't make him wrong

But being so quick to disappear after a measly 5 posts does make you wonder...

 

[Nick]

There seems to be a few different "camps":

• Thorn is a god
• Thorn is a good manager but his hands were tied
• We couldn't judge him because of the squad
• Not fussed on Thorn as long as we win
• Thorn is a poor manager
• Thorn is an awful human being

 

[Nick]

Being shouted down by a clique doesn't make him wrong

Is it a clique that people don't agree?

If I was to say the sky is bright green and people disagreed would it be a clique shouting me down? The same as if loads of people said Thorn was a good manager, would that be a clique?

It is just people with opinions, the whole idea of a forum....

 

[Ccfc1979]

There seems to be a few different "camps":

• Thorn is a god
• Thorn is a good manager but his hands were tied
• We couldn't judge him because of the squad
• Not fussed on Thorn as long as we win
• Thorn is a poor manager
• Thorn is an awful human being

This is the crux of it. And everyone has a right to express any of these views on a forum. And actually, people can move within these groups as events dictate...not have five month old posts rammed down their neck as proof they've changed their mind. Is a change of position never allowed? I am in group 5 at the minute, moved from group 4 but am willing to have my mind changed by events next season.

 

[Tank Top]

I think if a consensus were to be drawn, on the suitability of Andy Thorn to do the job, it would turn out about 50/50, I see no overwhelming ground Swell
of opinion, either way, on a personal view, I have no axe to grind, in fact despite relegation, and the fact that our owners cut us adrift on stormy waters, I have to say that I enjoyed the Foot ball Al..La Thorn, much better than Bothroyd's or colemans, boring rubbish.
He reminds me of Barry Fry, and marmite, you either like him, or not. but either opinions should be respected, that's what a Forum is.
Tankie...

 

[Otis]

There seems to be a few different "camps":

• Thorn is a god
• Thorn is a good manager but his hands were tied
• We couldn't judge him because of the squad
• Not fussed on Thorn as long as we win
• Thorn is a poor manager
• Thorn is an awful human being

I'm in the 1st camp when we win.


And in the 6th camp when we lose.

 

[aodea]

This thread is nonsense. of course people can be critical of Andy Thorn. it is there right to do so same way as it is other peoples right to praise Andy Thorn. We all watch football and love it and have opinions on it. 100 people could watch the same game and have 100 differnt views on it. -what the starting line up should have been-the tactics- what subs should have been made-who played well. Watching the exact same game we will all have differnt opinions on this and as opinions if they vary to a managers then why cant we disagree. Are coventry Fans negative at the moment, (damn right we are) we have had very little to be thankful in last few years. Relegation, Debt, losing best players... Is it very hard to find positives yes. i belive Andy Thorn is doing a good job given the circumstances. i also think he handles himself well and is positive and the fact that players seem to like him suggests they are behind what he trys to do. But can i be critical of him on a saturday evening when we lose away at bristol City? you better belive i can! can Arsenal fans complain about Arsene wenger yes they can. if fans want a change in Managment they are entitled to voice there opinions. We pay money to go to games, buy kits etc. people complain because we want better we deserve better. in my opinion i think Thorn will give us better but do i resent or complain about anyone having a go at him no. why cause its football a game of opinions.