Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (163 Viewers)

[Skybluefaz]

I mean, I wouldn’t press charges. But I’m not a 55 yo man and I’ve got no idea what his previous experience with violence is or how traumatic it was.

If you’re the kind of person that can’t handle his beer and is likely to go around laying hands on strangers you should probably either stop drinking or accept the consequences really. Ive managed 40 years and many beers without being charged with assault

The police could bring the charges rather than Whitty couldn't they?

 

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[shmmeee]

The police could bring the charges rather than Whitty couldn't they?

Yeah clearly I have no idea how the criminal justice system works. I thought it was the person. Seems I’m wrong. Luckily I’ve never had to find out IRL.

 

[PVA]

Yep. They asked him at the time and he didn't want to press charges, but...

"Officers subsequently reviewed video footage which emerged after the incident and the matter was referred to the Public Order Crime Team. Enquiries continue."

 

[chiefdave]

Yeah clearly I have no idea how the criminal justice system works. I thought it was the person. Seems I’m wrong. Luckily I’ve never had to find out IRL.

Its more to do with the chance of getting a conviction if the person who was attacked doesn't want to get involved and may not give a statement or appear as a witness should it get that far.

Given that everything now seems to be filmed probably less of an issue than in the past.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Yeah clearly I have no idea how the criminal justice system works. I thought it was the person. Seems I’m wrong. Luckily I’ve never had to find out IRL.

Could be they often have to rely on testimony from the victim and if they don't want to press charges it's not worth their while pursuing. If they have footage from CCTV or whatever then they might have enough for a conviction without testimony and press on regardless. It's all about securing a conviction with the evidence they have.

Possibly also now a political thing in seeing to stamp down on anti-social/threatening behaviour so they can be seen to be 'tough'. Out of self-interest the politicians and even police may think it'd set a precedent if they let Whitty be harangued like that and would encourage others to do the same to them.

 

[Liquid Gold]

I have no skin in this game, I just had a sneak at this thread last night and the debate bored me but I had to drop in and lol at the dunking Pete got only to be proved absolutely spot on.

Won't be any contrition though, it'll be "police are stupid, nanny state, MSM" or some bollocks.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I thought it was down to the person? Do CPS decide? Maybe I’ve been watching too many American shows.

The main stupidity is letting himself be filmed doing it! Otherwise he'd have blended into the night. It's one of those where because of the profile, they're boxed into a corner where there's little choice but pressing charges really.

 

[Deleted member 9744]

I said I’d stop prattling but the way we ignore the law and expert advice in this country is beyond my understanding. Don’t get me wrong, like St Paul I am the worst sinner and hypocrite of them all but when I hear people say it’s ok to drive 45 down London road or not have insurance because the car isn’t worth much I’m flabbergasted

When Chris Whitty and Vallance explain how virus’s mutate and the dangers to public health and we ignore it and it’s fine cos I’ve not had Covid

I am maybe to in bed with authority and I do enjoy others different thought patterns and challenge but unless we start paying attention to those that know more than us we really are heading to hell in a handcart

And Pva you’re bang on I told you it was common assault, anyone can see that the legal definition of what this is was met in the video but still we’ll have friends on here say it wasn’t too bad or I’ve done worse or it’s the nanny state etc etc etc.

It’s not big or clever to put the fear of god into someone just for a laugh and if others think it is then like shmmee says expect some consequences.

Great post

 

[Saddlebrains]

How are we all regarding July 19th? Looking great isnt it. Normality (or as close too).

We still got people cowering behind the sofa even with Whitty and Vallance saying were ok?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Almost 30000 daily infections can’t imagine other countries queuing to let us in

 

[Saddlebrains]

Irrelevant though isn't it cases?


The whole point was to stop hospitalisations and the NHS being overrun and of course minimise deaths



The jab works, we've got the info we need, we've jabbed millions more, if we don't crack on now we never will

 

[Skybluefaz]

We still got people cowering behind the sofa even with Whitty and Vallance saying were ok?

Making up scenarios in your head? Even the more cautious were saying listen to the experts weren't they?

 

[shmmeee]

I said I’d stop prattling but the way we ignore the law and expert advice in this country is beyond my understanding. Don’t get me wrong, like St Paul I am the worst sinner and hypocrite of them all but when I hear people say it’s ok to drive 45 down London road or not have insurance because the car isn’t worth much I’m flabbergasted

When Chris Whitty and Vallance explain how virus’s mutate and the dangers to public health and we ignore it and it’s fine cos I’ve not had Covid

I am maybe to in bed with authority and I do enjoy others different thought patterns and challenge but unless we start paying attention to those that know more than us we really are heading to hell in a handcart

And Pva you’re bang on I told you it was common assault, anyone can see that the legal definition of what this is was met in the video but still we’ll have friends on here say it wasn’t too bad or I’ve done worse or it’s the nanny state etc etc etc.

It’s not big or clever to put the fear of god into someone just for a laugh and if others think it is then like shmmee says expect some consequences.

I think speeding is a good comparison. Most here probably speed a bit (I know I do as my licence attests), and don’t think it’s much of a crime. But everyone I’d assume would accept if they got caught it’s a fair cop.

 

[Saddlebrains]

Making up scenarios in your head? Even the more cautios were saying listen to the experts weren't they?

And we have. And there's no reason to not crack on now is there?

 

[hill83]

Irrelevant though isn't it cases?


The whole point was to stop hospitalisations and the NHS being overrun and of course minimise deaths



The jab works, we've got the info we need, we've jabbed millions more, if we don't crack on now we never will

Not irrelevant for other countries not as vaccinated as we are though in regards to letting us in.

 

[Skybluefaz]

And we have. And there's no reason to not crack on now is there?

Not if that is what the experts are saying. I wonder what normal will look like. Johnson seems to be rolling back a bit on 'Freedom day' and dropping the odd hint that some things will be retained.

 

[Saddlebrains]

Not irrelevant for other countries not as vaccinated as we are though in regards to letting us in.

Fair, but i dont see the big clamour for people going abroad. People need to book a week in fucking Ingoldmells or something and book the big abroad one next year

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Making up scenarios in your head? Even the more cautious were saying listen to the experts weren't they?

Nah...

Personally I'd say it's very encouraging if the chief medical officer agrees that most retrictions can end July 19th. That's kind of, like, a positive thing...

 

[hill83]

As for the 19th though. If they crack on and say masks aren’t compulsory I’ll be binning all mine.

 

[Saddlebrains]

Not if that is what the experts are saying. I wonder what normal will look like. Johnson seems to be rolling back a bit on 'Freedom day' and dropping the odd hint that some things will be retained.

Best bit for me is it seems we will be allowed back in the ricoh.


cannot wai

 

[Grendel]

Almost 30000 daily infections can’t imagine other countries queuing to let us in

the delta variant is starting its course through a less vaccinated Europe so there will be a lot of stand off behaviour for a while before they get done with their 4th wave.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Not if that is what the experts are saying. I wonder what normal will look like. Johnson seems to be rolling back a bit on 'Freedom day' and dropping the odd hint that some things will be retained.

It's all along the lines of 'some very strong wording' though, which is the worst of all worlds! It's either OK, in which case tell us, or if some things are needed, it's pointless having the 95yo who hasn't been out do it, while Piers Corbyn refuses as it's voluntary.

 

[Skybluefaz]

As for the 19th though. If they crack on and say masks aren’t compulsory I’ll be binning all mine.

Got to admit I've really had enough of masks.

 

[jordan210]

Crazy how we do more daily testing then the majority of Europe combined.

At £5 a LFT someone is quids in.

 

[Grendel]

Fair, but i dont see the big clamour for people going abroad. People need to book a week in fucking Ingoldmells or something and book the big abroad one next year

I did once drive through Ingodmells and one of my children said she was worried she could contract an STD just my looking out the car window

 

[Skybluefaz]

It's all along the lines of 'some very strong wording' though, which is the worst of all worlds! It's either OK, in which case tell us, or if some things are needed, it's pointless having the 95yo who hasn't been out do it, while Piers Corbyn refuses as it's voluntary.

Clarity and leadership.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

the delta variant is starting its course through a less vaccinated Europe so there will be a lot of stand off behaviour for a while before they get done with their 4th wave.

Yeah how I see it too

 

[Skybluefaz]

Best bit for me is it seems we will be allowed back in the ricoh.

Fingers crossed.

 

[Grendel]

It's all along the lines of 'some very strong wording' though, which is the worst of all worlds! It's either OK, in which case tell us, or if some things are needed, it's pointless having the 95yo who hasn't been out do it, while Piers Corbyn refuses as it's voluntary.

we should allow freedom of choice and give advice on risks now. It’s absurd we are even discussing continuing measures

 

[Deleted member 5849]

we should allow freedom of choice and give advice on risks now. It’s absurd we are even discussing continuing measures

But the point being, if it's a risk just to you then crack on, if your action causes risk to other people, then you abdicate your freedom of choice.

That's where it's stupid having it voluntary, as the people who *would* be a risk to others would be the people not doing it! You either legislate for it, or don't bother with it in the first place. Plus 'strong advice' causes doubt rather than reassures. As messaging... it's piss poor, really.

It's the same line as 'we're not closing pubs, but don't go in them' at the beginning of all this - absolute stupidity as it harms, well, just about everybody and ultimately helps nobody.

 

[Grendel]

But the point being, if it's a risk just to you crack on, if your action causes risk to other people, then you abdicate your freedom of choice.

That's where it's stupid having it voluntary, as the people who *would* be a risk to others would be the people not doing it! You either legislate for it, or don't bother with it.

It's the same line as 'we're not closing pubs, but don't go in them' at the beginning of all this - absolute stupidity as it harms, well, just about everybody and ultimately helps nobody.

But crossing the road is a risk. We need to fully unlock now. The at risk groups have had the option of vaccines - it’s always been an option to wear masks in Japan when there was concern on SARS and people took the choice they wished to do. We should do that here. I’d never wear one and others may choose to

 

[hill83]

But the point being, if it's a risk just to you then crack on, if your action causes risk to other people, then you abdicate your freedom of choice.

I know we are not there yet, but eventually the risk is going to be just to the unvaccinated. And as far as I’m concerned they can swivel. If it’s been refused I genuinely don’t give a fuck.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Irrelevant though isn't it cases?


The whole point was to stop hospitalisations and the NHS being overrun and of course minimise deaths



The jab works, we've got the info we need, we've jabbed millions more, if we don't crack on now we never will

It isn't irrelevant internationally for countries with lower vaccine coverage

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I know we are not there yet, but eventually the risk is going to be just to the unvaccinated. And as far as I’m concerned they can swivel. If it’s been refused I genuinely don’t give a fuck.

With caveats about how we're talking scenarios blah blah blah so I don't have some tool pop along and call me a lockdown lover...

tbf, it's the unvaccinated who are more of a risk to others as well, as they're the ones most likely to pass things on, and break any vaccine protection... and they're also the ones that would ignore any voluntary codes of conduct too - they're the ones who'd want to hug me just because they can!

FWIW I agree that if you choose not to have a vaccine, you take on the associated risk for yourself, but if that has an impact on other people, it's a bit pointless telling them to do the right thing if they feel like it. Civil liberties don't come with the right to impose yourself on others, after all.

(I also feel my point about messaging is kind of getting lost, which probably shows how the messaging is poor, tbf!)

 

[MusicDating]

I know we are not there yet, but eventually the risk is going to be just to the unvaccinated. And as far as I’m concerned they can swivel. If it’s been refused I genuinely don’t give a fuck.

Well, them and circa 10% of the vaccinated (even double-dosed) as it's not 100% effective.

They will open everything up on the 19th and probably abdicate responsibility by leaving it to individuals/venues re mask-wearing.