Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (4 Viewers)

[hill83]

But the point being, if it's a risk just to you then crack on, if your action causes risk to other people, then you abdicate your freedom of choice.

I know we are not there yet, but eventually the risk is going to be just to the unvaccinated. And as far as I’m concerned they can swivel. If it’s been refused I genuinely don’t give a fuck.

 

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[fernandopartridge]

Irrelevant though isn't it cases?


The whole point was to stop hospitalisations and the NHS being overrun and of course minimise deaths



The jab works, we've got the info we need, we've jabbed millions more, if we don't crack on now we never will

It isn't irrelevant internationally for countries with lower vaccine coverage

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I know we are not there yet, but eventually the risk is going to be just to the unvaccinated. And as far as I’m concerned they can swivel. If it’s been refused I genuinely don’t give a fuck.

With caveats about how we're talking scenarios blah blah blah so I don't have some tool pop along and call me a lockdown lover...

tbf, it's the unvaccinated who are more of a risk to others as well, as they're the ones most likely to pass things on, and break any vaccine protection... and they're also the ones that would ignore any voluntary codes of conduct too - they're the ones who'd want to hug me just because they can!

FWIW I agree that if you choose not to have a vaccine, you take on the associated risk for yourself, but if that has an impact on other people, it's a bit pointless telling them to do the right thing if they feel like it. Civil liberties don't come with the right to impose yourself on others, after all.

(I also feel my point about messaging is kind of getting lost, which probably shows how the messaging is poor, tbf!)

 

[MusicDating]

I know we are not there yet, but eventually the risk is going to be just to the unvaccinated. And as far as I’m concerned they can swivel. If it’s been refused I genuinely don’t give a fuck.

Well, them and circa 10% of the vaccinated (even double-dosed) as it's not 100% effective.

They will open everything up on the 19th and probably abdicate responsibility by leaving it to individuals/venues re mask-wearing.

 

[jordan210]

Some good news for your friday

 

[Deleted member 5849]

They will open everything up on the 19th and probably abdicate responsibility by leaving it to individuals/venues re mask-wearing.

And I'd love (well, no I wouldn't really) to see anybody try and enforce such a voluntary code, at a venue. Just not possible really.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Got to admit I've really had enough of masks.

I have. I'm not anti mask but given the quality and application of them I doubt they're much use.

 

[COV]

How are we all regarding July 19th? Looking great isnt it. Normality (or as close too).

We still got people cowering behind the sofa even with Whitty and Vallance saying were ok?

It’s the approach of people who advocate going back to normal that winds people up. “Hiding behind the sofa” and this type of patronising garbage- basically taking the piss out of people who have concerns.

I’m for opening up but not belittling people and trying to mock them for being concerned about COVID. If I didn’t wear a mask and someone was obviously bothered by that then I’d put one on- basic courtesy.

If there was a bit more understanding and a bit less arrogance on both sides then it’d be a lot easier

 

[hill83]

Well, them and circa 10% of the vaccinated (even double-dosed) as it's not 100% effective.

They will open everything up on the 19th and probably abdicate responsibility by leaving it to individuals/venues re mask-wearing.

Leave it then

 

[MusicDating]

And I'd love (well, no I wouldn't really) to see anybody try and enforce such a voluntary code, at a venue. Just not possible really.

Indeed. But good way for the Govt to avoid more legislation and dodge blame.

 

[MusicDating]

It’s the approach of people who advocate going back to normal that winds people up. “Hiding behind the sofa” and this type of patronising garbage- basically taking the piss out of people who have concerns.

I’m for opening up but not belittling people and trying to mock them for being concerned about COVID. If I didn’t wear a mask and someone was obviously bothered by that then I’d put one on- basic courtesy.

If there was a bit more understanding and a bit less arrogance on both sides then it’d be a lot easier

This ^

...lockdown lover.

 

[shmmeee]

But crossing the road is a risk. We need to fully unlock now. The at risk groups have had the option of vaccines - it’s always been an option to wear masks in Japan when there was concern on SARS and people took the choice they wished to do. We should do that here. I’d never wear one and others may choose to

Indont know quite how fat you are but generally crossing the road is only a risk to you.

 

[Saddlebrains]

It’s the approach of people who advocate going back to normal that winds people up. “Hiding behind the sofa” and this type of patronising garbage- basically taking the piss out of people who have concerns.

I’m for opening up but not belittling people and trying to mock them for being concerned about COVID. If I didn’t wear a mask and someone was obviously bothered by that then I’d put one on- basic courtesy.

If there was a bit more understanding and a bit less arrogance on both sides then it’d be a lot easier

Stop Moaning

 

[COV]

Stop Moaning

Lol, I’m not moaning, I’m in favour of opening up.

Also in favour of a little basic decency, unlike you apparently with the silly insults.

 

[SBAndy]

I did once drive through Ingodmells and one of my children said she was worried she could contract an STD just my looking out the car window

And was it at that point you put your trousers back on?

 

[baldy]

It’s the approach of people who advocate going back to normal that winds people up. “Hiding behind the sofa” and this type of patronising garbage- basically taking the piss out of people who have concerns.

I’m for opening up but not belittling people and trying to mock them for being concerned about COVID. If I didn’t wear a mask and someone was obviously bothered by that then I’d put one on- basic courtesy.

If there was a bit more understanding and a bit less arrogance on both sides then it’d be a lot easier

Being concerned & hiding behind a sofa from a virus that's 98% recoverable from....they deserve to be mocked

 

[fernandopartridge]

Well, them and circa 10% of the vaccinated (even double-dosed) as it's not 100% effective.

They will open everything up on the 19th and probably abdicate responsibility by leaving it to individuals/venues re mask-wearing.

If the vaccine is 95% effective against a particular outcome it doesn't mean that it only works on 95% of people. The 95% indicates the percentage reduction in your likelihood to reach that outcome with the vaccine against without vaccine. So different age groups still end up more likely to be hospitalised than others but overall the risk is reduced by 95%.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Being concerned & hiding behind a sofa from a virus that's 98% recoverable from....they deserve to be mocked

2% of 70m is 1.4m you know

 

[PVA]

Being concerned & hiding behind a sofa from a virus that's 98% recoverable from....they deserve to be mocked

Fucking hell. How do yo people still not get it?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Being concerned & hiding behind a sofa from a virus that's 98% recoverable from....they deserve to be mocked

Lovely . What is your job in the medical profession again? Only 4m died around the world fuck em eh

 

[COV]

Being concerned & hiding behind a sofa from a virus that's 98% recoverable from....they deserve to be mocked

And you work in a hospital right?

 

[baldy]

Lovely . What is your job in the medical profession again? Only 4m died around the world fuck em eh

And how many more people die from other things? Do people hide behind their collective sofas from cars or cigarettes or cancer etc?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

And how many more people die from other things? Do people hide behind their collective sofas from cars or cigarettes or cancer etc?

Least we know it’s a fuck em from baldy

 

[PVA]

And how many more people die from other things? Do people hide behind their collective sofas from cars or cigarettes or cancer etc?

18 months on and people are still making the cancer/car accident argument

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

18 months on and people are still making the cancer/car accident argument

Just our resident health consultant

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Irrelevant though isn't it cases?


The whole point was to stop hospitalisations and the NHS being overrun and of course minimise deaths



The jab works, we've got the info we need, we've jabbed millions more, if we don't crack on now we never will

Domestically I'd say yes it looks fine. Just don't expect to be going anywhere cos other countries won't want us there with that level of infection. We seem to have largely broken the chain of cases to hospitalisation/death with the vaccines but other countries haven't yet.

 

[Saddlebrains]

Lol, I’m not moaning, I’m in favour of opening up.

Also in favour of a little basic decency, unlike you apparently with the silly insults.

Im offended that you think I have silly little insults you Saucepan

 

[SBT]

Never saw the big fuss over masks. They're a pain in the arse sometimes, but they seem to have made a difference, and it's rarely been a problem for me to put one on for a bit. Just glad I'm not in a country where you had to wear them outdoors, which was crazy.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

As for the 19th though. If they crack on and say masks aren’t compulsory I’ll be binning all mine.

Personally i've not really found them a burden. So I'll keep mine and will probably use them for a little while longer and if I've got a cold or whatever in winter. In fact in the cold might make a nice addition to the hat, scarf and gloves to keep the face warm.

 

[Saddlebrains]

I might keep wearing masks when I follow people into dark alleys etc

 

[shmmeee]

And how many more people die from other things? Do people hide behind their collective sofas from cars or cigarettes or cancer etc?

You realise quite how much freedom we restrict to reduce deaths in those specific examples don’t you?

 

[shmmeee]

Corona: put a mask on and get Tesco deliveries if you could yeah?

Cars: Pass hundreds of strict regulatory tests costing the industry millions. Restrict driving to those who have passed several state mandated tests. Have an entire division of the police employed to look for infringements. Make you have your car checked every year to ensure it’s safe. Specify exactly how fast you should drive the car on every inch of road in the country. Lay massive taxes and fines on.

 

[COV]

Corona: put a mask on and get Tesco deliveries if you could yeah?

Cars: Pass hundreds of strict regulatory tests costing the industry millions. Restrict driving to those who have passed several state mandated tests. Have an entire division of the police employed to look for infringements. Make you have your car checked every year to ensure it’s safe. Specify exactly how fast you should drive the car on every inch of road in the country. Lay massive taxes and fines on.

“I swear you actually enjoy lockdown”

 

[Grendel]

Corona: put a mask on and get Tesco deliveries if you could yeah?

Cars: Pass hundreds of strict regulatory tests costing the industry millions. Restrict driving to those who have passed several state mandated tests. Have an entire division of the police employed to look for infringements. Make you have your car checked every year to ensure it’s safe. Specify exactly how fast you should drive the car on every inch of road in the country. Lay massive taxes and fines on.

I don’t think wearing masks means you have zero risk of getting COVID

 

[CCFCSteve]

I don’t think wearing masks means you have zero risk of getting COVID

Not the way I see some fuckers wearing them.....usually nose poking out the top !

We’re in a funny situation at the moment where most people are partially following the rules (myself included).

Sanitise hands on way into supermarket (even though it probably has little positive affect) -
Wear mask in supermarket -
Wear mask in shops -
Wear mask when entering a bar -
Wear mask on way to/from toilet in a bar -

...Jumping around and hugging randoms (all maskless) in boozer when England score - also

....kind of negates all of the above but I’m trying