Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (136 Viewers)

[COV]

It's a thread about a global pandemic. If it ends tomorrow there will still be tens of thousands of people who've lost their lives. Not really a lot to be positive about.

I've never heard of post viral whatever in my 50 odd years on this planet but I know two people with long covid both of whom have had more time of work in the last 10 months than in the previous 30 years combined.

Now maybe it helps you to cope by pretending this isn't a unique situation with consequences beyond anything we've experienced in our life times and that's fine but that's not the reality.

I know one with long covid, she's a nurse & she is still wiped out, but she seemed cheerful enough, very stoic. Then her hair started falling out in big chunks. Didn't even know that happened with COVID but apparently its very common in people that get the virus to lose their hair. Losing her hair got to her mentally more than the actual virus, nobody really knows if its the virus itself or the added stress

 

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[Deleted member 5849]

Anyway, Wales and Scotland keeping masks.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Me too but risky when they are talking about 2.5m infections a month. That’s a lot of long Covid. Allegedly 1m sufferers already

Then we need the support in place for when or if that should happen.

 

[COV]

Then we need the support in place for when or if that should happen.

Get Saddlebrains on the NHS helpline to help get the skivers back to work

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Get Saddlebrains on the NHS helpline to help get the skivers back to work

Dude's got asthma would be surprised if he wasn't concerned about illness himself

 

[SBT]

Morale totally destroyed!…by poo poo!

Like when I camped next to the portaloos at Glastonbury

 

[skybluetony176]

Like when I camped next to the portaloos at Glastonbury

Or my mate who got hit on the back of the head by a flying bag of crap at monsters of rock just as Metallica were about to start playing.

 

[Saddlebrains]

Dude's got asthma would be surprised if he wasn't concerned about illness himself

I am. Very. And everyone else is of course.

But i also try and balance that risk with wanting people to get their lives back. Families and friends back together forever is all i want

 

[chiefdave]

Had my Mum on the phone this morning not happy that the updated advise from the government to vulnerable people for 'freedom' day is to lock themselves in the house.

Assumed she had got the wrong end of the stick so checked on the government website and that is actually what they are recommending. Its basically a really long winded way to tell people to go back to shielding.

In many cases these are people that have only stopped shielding in the last few weeks so have essentially spent 18 months unable to leave the house. Officially shielding stopped April 1st but the data shows people were pretty cautious and a decent percentage remained shielding for longer.

Basically says if getting covid could cause you an issue its down to the individual to decide what to do but they recommend avoiding anywhere that unvaccinated people might be present. How the hell are you supposed to know who is and isn't unvaccinated? The reason they give for this is increasing levels of covid in the community. So again the question is why not be more cautious? As has been said time and time again you can have 'freedom' day while retaining things like masks in public places, testing to get into events etc that would mean that everyone could enjoy the benefits.

And if you think leaving it to peoples judgement is going to work just stick Waterstones into a twitter search and look at the responses to their tweet asking that people be considerate and wear masks if they are going into a store.

 

[Nick]

Isn't it common sense though with some of it?

Ie if you could potentially be at risk you use common sense about what you do and where you go?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Had my Mum on the phone this morning not happy that the updated advise from the government to vulnerable people for 'freedom' day is to lock themselves in the house.

Assumed she had got the wrong end of the stick so checked on the government website and that is actually what they are recommending. Its basically a really long winded way to tell people to go back to shielding.

In many cases these are people that have only stopped shielding in the last few weeks so have essentially spent 18 months unable to leave the house. Officially shielding stopped April 1st but the data shows people were pretty cautious and a decent percentage remained shielding for longer.

Basically says if getting covid could cause you an issue its down to the individual to decide what to do but they recommend avoiding anywhere that unvaccinated people might be present. How the hell are you supposed to know who is and isn't unvaccinated? The reason they give for this is increasing levels of covid in the community. So again the question is why not be more cautious? As has been said time and time again you can have 'freedom' day while retaining things like masks in public places, testing to get into events etc that would mean that everyone could enjoy the benefits.

And if you think leaving it to peoples judgement is going to work just stick Waterstones into a twitter search and look at the responses to their tweet asking that people be considerate and wear masks if they are going into a store.

Has she been fully vaccinated?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Had my Mum on the phone this morning not happy that the updated advise from the government to vulnerable people for 'freedom' day is to lock themselves in the house.

Assumed she had got the wrong end of the stick so checked on the government website and that is actually what they are recommending. Its basically a really long winded way to tell people to go back to shielding.

In many cases these are people that have only stopped shielding in the last few weeks so have essentially spent 18 months unable to leave the house. Officially shielding stopped April 1st but the data shows people were pretty cautious and a decent percentage remained shielding for longer.

Basically says if getting covid could cause you an issue its down to the individual to decide what to do but they recommend avoiding anywhere that unvaccinated people might be present. How the hell are you supposed to know who is and isn't unvaccinated? The reason they give for this is increasing levels of covid in the community. So again the question is why not be more cautious? As has been said time and time again you can have 'freedom' day while retaining things like masks in public places, testing to get into events etc that would mean that everyone could enjoy the benefits.

And if you think leaving it to peoples judgement is going to work just stick Waterstones into a twitter search and look at the responses to their tweet asking that people be considerate and wear masks if they are going into a store.

My mum just won’t and has probably already thrown the letter away

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Had my Mum on the phone this morning not happy that the updated advise from the government to vulnerable people for 'freedom' day is to lock themselves in the house.

Assumed she had got the wrong end of the stick so checked on the government website and that is actually what they are recommending. Its basically a really long winded way to tell people to go back to shielding.

In many cases these are people that have only stopped shielding in the last few weeks so have essentially spent 18 months unable to leave the house. Officially shielding stopped April 1st but the data shows people were pretty cautious and a decent percentage remained shielding for longer.

Basically says if getting covid could cause you an issue its down to the individual to decide what to do but they recommend avoiding anywhere that unvaccinated people might be present. How the hell are you supposed to know who is and isn't unvaccinated? The reason they give for this is increasing levels of covid in the community. So again the question is why not be more cautious? As has been said time and time again you can have 'freedom' day while retaining things like masks in public places, testing to get into events etc that would mean that everyone could enjoy the benefits.

And if you think leaving it to peoples judgement is going to work just stick Waterstones into a twitter search and look at the responses to their tweet asking that people be considerate and wear masks if they are going into a store.

Basically a way of absolving themselves of blame and responsibility but not doing something unpopular.

"If people go out and get ill it's their fault for doing so. We advised them not to"

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Basically a way of absolving themselves of blame and responsibility but not doing something unpopular.

"If people go out and get ill it's their fault for doing so. We advised them not to"

It would also be true though that they’d given adults the information to make an informed decision.

 

[chiefdave]

Isn't it common sense though with some of it?

Ie if you could potentially be at risk you use common sense about what you do and where you go?

Well that was the thinking before it became a complete free for all. It was only 15 weeks ago that for the first time people in their situation were told they could even consider leaving their homes safely. Understandably some have been nervous about doing so having spent over a year being told that leaving the house could kill them.

The problem is the general consensus among experts seemed to be that opening up with minor things in place to minimise risk would mean that by applying a bit of common sense they could continue to get back out and about in relative safety. But following the announcement there would be absolutely nothing done to prevent spread of the virus its now a different proposition.

The government advise talks about increased risk due to high community transmission, that's because they've abandoned any attempt at controlling transmission. When you read the advise its laughable, avoid people who aren't vaccinated, avoid areas where there might be people who are infected, go to shops when nobody else is in them, ask people to take a test before they come into contact with you. Its not in anyway practical and just passes the buck so if and when people start dying they can absolve themselves of blame.

Has she been fully vaccinated?

They both have put my Dad is CEV and getting covid post-vaccine could be very serious and likely fatal. What am I supposed to do, just tell them to stop worrying and crack on and just hope for the best?

Just had a quick google and it looks like there's 3.8 million people in a similar position,

'We've been thrown to the wolves,' say extremely clinically vulnerable after new Covid guidance

Vulnerable people told i the Government has thrown them 'under a bus' and their 'world will shrink' as all other social distancing measures in England are due to be lifted from 19 July

inews.co.uk

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Well that was the thinking before it became a complete free for all. It was only 15 weeks ago that for the first time people in their situation were told they could even consider leaving their homes safely. Understandably some have been nervous about doing so having spent over a year being told that leaving the house could kill them.

The problem is the general consensus among experts seemed to be that opening up with minor things in place to minimise risk would mean that by applying a bit of common sense they could continue to get back out and about in relative safety. But following the announcement there would be absolutely nothing done to prevent spread of the virus its now a different proposition.

The government advise talks about increased risk due to high community transmission, that's because they've abandoned any attempt at controlling transmission. When you read the advise its laughable, avoid people who aren't vaccinated, avoid areas where there might be people who are infected, go to shops when nobody else is in them, ask people to take a test before they come into contact with you. Its not in anyway practical and just passes the buck so if and when people start dying they can absolve themselves of blame.

They both have put my Dad is CEV and getting covid post-vaccine could be very serious and likely fatal. What am I supposed to do, just tell them to stop worrying and crack on and just hope for the best?

Just had a quick google and it looks like there's 3.8 million people in a similar position,

'We've been thrown to the wolves,' say extremely clinically vulnerable after new Covid guidance

Vulnerable people told i the Government has thrown them 'under a bus' and their 'world will shrink' as all other social distancing measures in England are due to be lifted from 19 July

inews.co.uk

I think exactly that chief. But rather than hope for the best just be cautious. If they live local and you don’t I’m happy to pick stuff up for them and drop it round

 

[Deleted member 5849]

And if you think leaving it to peoples judgement is going to work just stick Waterstones into a twitter search and look at the responses to their tweet asking that people be considerate and wear masks if they are going into a store.

tbf, there are also a fair few pointing out the happy bonus if they lose Julia Hartley-Brewer as a customer!

 

[chiefdave]

I think exactly that chief. But rather than hope for the best just be cautious. If they live local and you don’t I’m happy to pick stuff up for them and drop it round

Thanks mate. Luckily I moved back to the city a while back, in part to not be three hours away whenever they needed something, only 5 minutes away now.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

They both have put my Dad is CEV and getting covid post-vaccine could be very serious and likely fatal. What am I supposed to do, just tell them to stop worrying and crack on and just hope for the best?

Just had a quick google and it looks like there's 3.8 million people in a similar position,

'We've been thrown to the wolves,' say extremely clinically vulnerable after new Covid guidance

Vulnerable people told i the Government has thrown them 'under a bus' and their 'world will shrink' as all other social distancing measures in England are due to be lifted from 19 July

inews.co.uk

Sorry if you felt it was a leading question, I was just aware that hundreds of thousands fitting in that category haven't had a jab for medical reasons so wasn't sure if that applied. In terms of your parents I would emphasise:

Outdoor activities remain a very low risk and especially so in summer when there's more sunlight to destroy suspended viral particles.

Surface transmission has been debunked for a long time now with only a single digit number of cases being definitively traced back to this method. Therefore, if they are anywhere that isn't sanitising surfaces, this should not be of concern.

Being fully vaccinated substantially reduces the risk of infection and to even greater extents (above 90%) for serious illness.

A close friend of mine is also CEV and takes basically an 'outdoor only' approach to what he does if it's mixing with others. If meeting indoors we agree to test beforehand and with us all being vaccinated that's fine for him but appreciate everyone is different.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Sorry if you felt it was a leading question, I was just aware that hundreds of thousands fitting in that category haven't had a jab for medical reasons so wasn't sure if that applied. In terms of your parents I would emphasise:

Outdoor activities remain a very low risk and especially so in summer when there's more sunlight to destroy suspended viral particles.

Surface transmission has been debunked for a long time now with only a single digit number of cases being definitively traced back to this method. Therefore, if they are anywhere that isn't sanitising surfaces, this should not be of concern.

Being fully vaccinated substantially reduces the risk of infection and to even greater extents (above 90%) for serious illness.

A close friend of mine is also CEV and takes basically an 'outdoor only' approach to what he does if it's mixing with others. If meeting indoors we agree to test beforehand and with us all being vaccinated that's fine for him but appreciate everyone is different.

Great advice

 

[chiefdave]

Sorry if you felt it was a leading question, I was just aware that hundreds of thousands fitting in that category haven't had a jab for medical reasons so wasn't sure if that applied. In terms of your parents I would emphasise:

Outdoor activities remain a very low risk and especially so in summer when there's more sunlight to destroy suspended viral particles.

Surface transmission has been debunked for a long time now with only a single digit number of cases being definitively traced back to this method. Therefore, if they are anywhere that isn't sanitising surfaces, this should not be of concern.

Being fully vaccinated substantially reduces the risk of infection and to even greater extents (above 90%) for serious illness.

A close friend of mine is also CEV and takes basically an 'outdoor only' approach to what he does if it's mixing with others. If meeting indoors we agree to test beforehand and with us all being vaccinated that's fine for him but appreciate everyone is different.

That's very useful thanks. I've been trying to tell my Mum the surface transmission thing for months, was a struggle to stop them popping to M&S when they were supposed to be shielding as 'the type of people who go to M&S won't have covid' but still insists on quarantining the post for 3 days

The government messaging has been pretty appealing through this whole thing but the new advise for CEV is so vague as to be useless. I suspect that's intentional so there's no blame on the government further down the line.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

That's very useful thanks. I've been trying to tell my Mum the surface transmission thing for months, was a struggle to stop them popping to M&S when they were supposed to be shielding as 'the type of people who go to M&S won't have covid' but still insists on quarantining the post for 3 days

The government messaging has been pretty appealing through this whole thing but the new advise for CEV is so vague as to be useless. I suspect that's intentional so there's no blame on the government further down the line.

If it helps the surface transmission studies failed to grow viral cultures even when exposing the surface to 100+ times more virus than an infected person would release in a realistic scenario. Even under perfect lab conditions they couldn't grow virus this way. To catch it you would basically need to be infected to the brim, sneeze and cough all over the item and then immediately rub it in someone else's face. Granted if they live in Cov you can't entirely rule this out!

The advice is terribly communicated but your folks can and should enjoy all the outdoor options available to them without fear of infection. And if anyone wants to visit them indoors they can always ask the visitor does an LFT beforehand.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

but still insists on quarantining the post for 3 days

I do that, mainly because it's a habit I can't break out of now! (OCD tendancies anyway, have to check I've shut the door umpteen times on leaving the house, so wasn't a great thing to be suggested tbh)

Doesn't help that in the industry I work in, there were studies done early that showed stacked items actually kept the virus for longer, so I then spent ages making sure things weren't stacked...

 

[Skybluefaz]

 

[Skybluefaz]

Book, change, or cancel a COVID-19 vaccination appointment online

Book, change or cancel a COVID-19 vaccination appointment online.

www.nhs.uk

I've been able to bring my second appointment forward by over a week to this Sunday at Stoneleigh. Seems to be more availability about for people who may be in a similar position.

 

[Evo1883]

Just had my second jab ..feels good man

 

[Skybluefaz]

Just had my second jab ..feels good man

You sure it was vaccine?

 

[David O'Day]

Book, change, or cancel a COVID-19 vaccination appointment online

Book, change or cancel a COVID-19 vaccination appointment online.

www.nhs.uk

I've been able to bring my second appointment forward by over a week to this Sunday at Stoneleigh. Seems to be more availability about for people who may be in a similar position.

Annoying the seem to only have AZ and my first shot was Pfizer.

Does anyone know much about the boots vaccination centre in town? Is it just inside the store?

 

[Skybluefaz]

Annoying the seem to only have AZ and my first shot was Pfizer.

Does anyone know much about the boots vaccination centre in town? Is it just inside the store?

I had Pfizer and was able to book Sunday.

 

[We'll_live_and_die]

Bedworth Civic Hall is doing walk-ins for first or second jabs over 8 weeks tonight. 4-7pm.

 

[David O'Day]

I had Pfizer and was able to book Sunday.

Interesting let me look

 

[We'll_live_and_die]

 

[We'll_live_and_die]

https://www.covwarkpt.nhs.uk/our-news/latest-covid-vaccine-clinics-available-for-walkins-2318?fbclid=IwAR3v4A4ed4CaOwvRlBUB6uPNf6iwrHdScEdMBcnBdudrrBtfGXfxeumqJcM

Where	When	What
Bedworth Civic Hall, High St, Bedworth CV12 8NF	Every Tuesday & Thursday 4pm - 8pm	Drop-in sessions for 1st and 2nd doses for Pfizer and AZ
Bedworth Civic Hall, High St, Bedworth CV12 8NF	Every Wednesday & Saturday 8am - 8pm	Appointments ONLY. Call 0300 303 1919 to book your slot. 1st and 2nd doses for Pfizer and AZ
Coventry and North Warwickshire Sports Club, Binley Rd, Coventry CV3 1HB	Thursday 15 July, 8am to 6pm Friday 16 July, 10am to 8pm Saturday 17 July, 8am to 6pm Sunday 18 July, 8am to 6pm	Pfizer and AZ, aged 18 and over
Ramgarhia Gurdwara, 1103 Foleshill Rd, Coventry CV6 6EP	Wednesday 14 July 11am to 5pm	Pfizer walk ins and Astra 2nd doses. Please bring your COVID vaccination card if you have it
Sidney Stringer Academy, 2 Primrose Hill St, Coventry CV1 5LY Cox Street entrance	Thursday 15 July 8.30am – 2.30pm	For parents or members of the school community only. Pfizer Only
Broad Street Meeting Hall, 124 Broad Street, Foleshill, Coventry, CV6 5BG	Friday, 16 July 3pm to 7pm	Pfizer for those aged 18 and over
Wava Hall, Highlife Centre, Barras Green, Coventry, CV2 4LY	Saturday 17 July 10am - 2pm	Drop-in sessions for 1st and 2nd doses Pfizer Only
Wava Hall, Highlife Centre, Barras Green, Coventry, CV2 4LY	Thursday 22 July 3pm – 7pm	Drop-in sessions for 1st and 2nd doses Pfizer Only

 

[clint van damme]

How would you go about proving you'd had two doses if you'd accidentally put the card they give you in the wash (twice)?

 

[David O'Day]

How would you go about proving you'd had two doses if you'd accidentally put the card they give you in the wash (twice)?

On the NHS app (not the covid one)