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Grendel

Grendel

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I want David Schneider as PM - free S and M sessions all round
 
Grendel

Grendel

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Mr Schneider certainly would bring a new meaning to tbd Chief Whip
 
Grendel

Grendel

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I can’t be bothered to check but didn’t he say anyone opposed to Israel was a Jew hating Nazi including Mr Corbyn
 
clint van damme

clint van damme

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Grendel said:
I can’t be bothered to check but didn’t he say anyone opposed to Israel was a Jew hating Nazi including Mr Corbyn
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No. He didn't call anyone criticising Israel antisemite. He did say criticism often strays into antisemitism.

Don't think he ever directly called Corbyn an antisemite but he has said repeatedly that his response to it in on the left wasn't good enough.
He did call your hero Farage out on antisemitism though.

 
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wingy

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clint van damme said:
No. He didn't call anyone criticising Israel antisemite. He did say criticism often strays into antisemitism.

Don't think he ever directly called Corbyn an antisemite but he has said repeatedly that his response to it in on the left wasn't good enough.
He did call your hero Farage out on antisemitism though.

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Some of these piqued my interest.

"Donald Trump talks very differently about the Jewish people compared to past presidents. | USAPP" Donald Trump talks very differently about the Jewish people compared to past presidents.
 
Grendel

Grendel

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clint van damme said:
No. He didn't call anyone criticising Israel antisemite. He did say criticism often strays into antisemitism.

Don't think he ever directly called Corbyn an antisemite but he has said repeatedly that his response to it in on the left wasn't good enough.
He did call your hero Farage out on antisemitism though.

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mmmm he has said many things about Mr Corbyn and he’s also kindly put a 10 point guide on how not to be an anti semite

what’s truly odd is why anyone takes this tool and his views seriously - he’s the lefts Lozza Fox but his acting is even worse and he has a lot in common with the late max Moseley it seems
 
clint van damme

clint van damme

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Grendel said:
mmmm he has said many things about Mr Corbyn and he’s also kindly put a 10 point guide on how not to be an anti semite

what’s truly odd is why anyone takes this tool and his views seriously - he’s the lefts Lozza Fox but his acting is even worse and he has a lot in common with the late max Moseley it seems
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I think his ten point guide was how to criticise Israel without being antisemitic though he may have issued another one.
I'm not sure I get the comparison with Fox.
 
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CCFCSteve

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skybluetony176 said:
I see Pen Farthing has left Afghanistan with his animals but forced to leave his staff behind. I thought the government had sorted this?
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Not sure but this didn’t help (from yesterday)

‘Mr Farthing said he was "turned away" into the aftermath of the explosion at Kabul airport.

He posted an update on his plight this morning writing: “The whole team & dogs/cats were safely 300m inside the airport perimeter. We were turned away as Joe Biden had changed paperwork rules just 2 hours earlier.

“Went through hell to get there & we were turned away into the chaos of those devastating explosions.”

Whatever mistakes we’ve made during this shambles it is x100 for Biden and the US. We and the other allies and Afghans have been left to pickup the pieces to some extent

Rightly or wrongly, we supported the US in their hunt for Bin Laden and inflict some damage on the Taliban for hiding terrorists, which was the original aim of the military action, as did other NATO forces and allies. Bidens recent conduct shows no acknowledgement of that support and sacrifice, the lives lost or those that are still stuck there.

Basically he’s ignored military advice and requests from us and other allies to discuss and alter plans. He knows best….apparently...yet they’ve left $80bn worth of military equipment to the Taliban or even worse, ISIS and in the ‘July rush’ vacanted an Afghan military airbase which would’ve been an alternative evacuation route for US and allies/Afghans. They didn’t even tell us or other allies


The bloke and his advisors are a shambles. I say that as someone who hoped and believed that after Trump, America, and to some extent the western world, was now in safer hands.

Trump set the wheels in motion with the agreement but the delivery of that agreement in recent months and key decisions in terms of the exit/withdrawal are with Biden.

I agree with SBD that I’d be worried if Trump was in charge at this point as he’s a total loose cannon and could’ve done anything, however, I honestly don’t think it would’ve got to this point ie he’d have done something weeks ago. The last thing Trump would want is America looking so weak on the world stage. It saddens me to say this as I know that Trump is a dangerous idiot (at best !). What a mess ! Rant over !

Let’s hope City bring some better news and smiles today
 
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clint van damme

clint van damme

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CCFCSteve said:
Not sure but this didn’t help !

‘Mr Farthing said he was "turned away" into the aftermath of the explosion at Kabul airport.

He posted an update on his plight this morning writing: “The whole team & dogs/cats were safely 300m inside the airport perimeter. We were turned away as Joe Biden had changed paperwork rules just 2 hours earlier.

“Went through hell to get there & we were turned away into the chaos of those devastating explosions.”

Whatever mistakes we’ve made during this shambles it is x100 for Biden and the US. We and the other allies and Afghans have been left to pickup the pieces to some extent

Rightly or wrongly, we supported the US in their hunt for Bin Laden and inflict some damage on the Taliban for hiding terrorists, which was the original aim of the military action, as did other NATO forces and allies. Bidens recent conduct shows no acknowledgement of that support and sacrifice, the lives lost or those that are still stuck there.

Basically he’s ignored military advice and requests from us and other allies to discuss and alter plans. He knows best….apparently...yet they’ve left $80bn worth of military equipment to the Taliban or even worse, ISIS and in the ‘July rush’ vacanted an Afghan military airbase which would’ve been an alternative evacuation route for US and allies/Afghans. They didn’t even tell us or other allies


The bloke and his advisors are a shambles. I say that as someone who hoped and believed that after Trump, America, and to some extent the western world, was now in safer hands.

Trump set the wheels in motion with the agreement but the delivery of that agreement in recent months and key decisions in terms of the exit/withdrawal are with Biden.

I agree with SBD that I’d be worried if Trump was in charge at this point as he’s a total loose cannon and could’ve done anything, however, I honestly don’t think it would’ve got to this point ie he’d have done something weeks ago. The last thing Trump would want it America looking so weak on the world stage. It saddens me to say this as I know that Trump is a dangerous idiot (at best !)
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Trump said recently he'd have been out by May, don't but this Trump would have done something line.

Same as I don't buy Biden saying he couldn't halt the withdrawal process, of course he could of.
 
skybluetony176

skybluetony176

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CCFCSteve said:
Not sure but this didn’t help !

‘Mr Farthing said he was "turned away" into the aftermath of the explosion at Kabul airport.

He posted an update on his plight this morning writing: “The whole team & dogs/cats were safely 300m inside the airport perimeter. We were turned away as Joe Biden had changed paperwork rules just 2 hours earlier.

“Went through hell to get there & we were turned away into the chaos of those devastating explosions.”

Whatever mistakes we’ve made during this shambles it is x100 for Biden and the US. We and the other allies and Afghans have been left to pickup the pieces to some extent

Rightly or wrongly, we supported the US in their hunt for Bin Laden and inflict some damage on the Taliban for hiding terrorists, which was the original aim of the military action, as did other NATO forces and allies. Bidens recent conduct shows no acknowledgement of that support and sacrifice, the lives lost or those that are still stuck there.

Basically he’s ignored military advice and requests from us and other allies to discuss and alter plans. He knows best….apparently...yet they’ve left $80bn worth of military equipment to the Taliban or even worse, ISIS and in the ‘July rush’ vacanted an Afghan military airbase which would’ve been an alternative evacuation route for US and allies/Afghans. They didn’t even tell us or other allies


The bloke and his advisors are a shambles. I say that as someone who hoped and believed that after Trump, America, and to some extent the western world, was now in safer hands.

Trump set the wheels in motion with the agreement but the delivery of that agreement in recent months and key decisions in terms of the exit/withdrawal are with Biden.

I agree with SBD that I’d be worried if Trump was in charge at this point as he’s a total loose cannon and could’ve done anything, however, I honestly don’t think it would’ve got to this point ie he’d have done something weeks ago. The last thing Trump would want is America looking so weak on the world stage. It saddens me to say this as I know that Trump is a dangerous idiot (at best !). What a mess ! Rant over !

Let’s hope City bring some better news and smiles today
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The trouble is Steve that Trump signed this deal with the Taliban in May 2020. We’ve had 18 months to get everyone out. This hasn’t all of a sudden crept up on us. It’s a catastrophic fuck up of epic proportions.
 
Grendel

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skybluetony176

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shmmeee said:
Nah the guys a prick and they shouldn’t have been wasting time on him TBH
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The flight was privately funded and organised wasn’t it? All they had to do was stamp the paperwork and they only did that under duress. My understanding is that if they had have done it when first asked not only would he had got his animals out he would have gotten his people out and the government didn’t want this as it would show them up, hence they fucked him around until public opinion forced the government to backtrack, in which time the Taliban took over at the airport and were stopping individuals through including his staff. Could have been very different outcome had the government not been dicks and an infinitely better PR scoop than the disastrous car crash Laurel and Hardy photo opp Boris and Raab orchestrated yesterday. All they had to do was be nice people in the first instance.
 
shmmeee

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skybluetony176 said:
The flight was privately funded and organised wasn’t it? All they had to do was stamp the paperwork and they only did that under duress. My understanding is that if they had have done it when first asked not only would he had got his animals out he would have gotten his people out and the government didn’t want this as it would show them up, hence they fucked him around until public opinion forced the government to backtrack, in which time the Taliban took over at the airport and were stopping individuals through including his staff. Could have been very different outcome had the government not been dicks and an infinitely better PR scoop than the disastrous car crash Laurel and Hardy photo opp Boris and Raab orchestrated yesterday. All they had to do was be nice people in the first instance.
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“be nice”

www.coventrytelegraph.net

Pen Farthing left expletive-laden message for Peter Quentin

Former Royal Marine used foul and abusive language as he sought a way out of Kabul for his animal sanctuary staff and 200 cats and dogs
www.coventrytelegraph.net www.coventrytelegraph.net

As I said the guys a prick and actual human lives were almost certainly lost because of his ridiculous antics. This isn’t about Boris, it’s about the people trying to save lives in Afghanistan
 
Grendel

Grendel

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shmmeee said:
“be nice”

www.coventrytelegraph.net

Pen Farthing left expletive-laden message for Peter Quentin

Former Royal Marine used foul and abusive language as he sought a way out of Kabul for his animal sanctuary staff and 200 cats and dogs
www.coventrytelegraph.net www.coventrytelegraph.net

As I said the guys a prick and actual human lives were almost certainly lost because of his ridiculous antics. This isn’t about Boris, it’s about the people trying to save lives in Afghanistan
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Oh fuck off
 
skybluetony176

skybluetony176

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chiefdave said:
Didn't see shmmeee becoming a shill for tory propaganda coming.
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I know. Especially when government failures to take simple measures such as make phone calls, open emails etc at all levels undoubtedly meant people were actually left behind.

Revealed: Foreign Office ignored frantic pleas to help Afghans | Afghanistan | The Guardian

Thousands of urgent messages from MPs and charities had not been read by the end of the UK evacuation from Afghanistan
amp.theguardian.com amp.theguardian.com
 
chiefdave

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skybluetony176 said:
I know. Especially when government failures to take simple measures such as make phone calls, open emails etc at all levels undoubtedly meant people were actually left behind.

Revealed: Foreign Office ignored frantic pleas to help Afghans | Afghanistan | The Guardian

Thousands of urgent messages from MPs and charities had not been read by the end of the UK evacuation from Afghanistan
amp.theguardian.com amp.theguardian.com
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Its staggering incompetence. If you emailed it went unread, if you phoned it went through to a washing machine repair centre in Cov. But lets blame the person who arranged his own, privately funded, charter to get out.
 
Grendel

Grendel

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chiefdave said:
Its staggering incompetence. If you emailed it went unread, if you phoned it went through to a washing machine repair centre in Cov. But lets blame the person who arranged his own, privately funded, charter to get out.
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people like Shmmmee don’t value animals. It fits his whole character
 
Grendel

Grendel

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Biden is on the slide

www.google.co.uk

It's not just Afghanistan -- Americans are losing faith in Biden on many issues

Biden's approval... is at its lowest point in his presidency. In the average of polls, he stands at about 47%. That's a... decline from the beginning of this month (51%).. and beginning of June (54%)... He is losing ground on a number of key issues.
www.google.co.uk www.google.co.uk

It seems utterly bizarre that the only us democrat who could beat trump was a very old man best his mediocre best

And Obama was never really a fan was he

 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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chiefdave said:
Didn't see shmmeee becoming a shill for tory propaganda coming.
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Just don’t think spending time and resource on animals is the priority nor should social media decide operational decisions in a humanitarian crisis.

None of that excuses the Tory fuckups. But it’s the forces not the Tories saying what I’m saying.
 
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