Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (225 Viewers)

[David O'Day]

I might regret this but...

Doesn't that actually prove that the vaccine does, indeed, take some time to take full effect after administration?!?

yes that's basic vaccine science

 

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[Deleted member 5849]

it means that the CDC are manipulating the numbers to fit the narrative. Don't you see it?

No I don't. What I see is the (unsurprising) fact that until a vaccine reaches full strength, people are more vulnerable.

 

[shmmeee]

There you go again with your Brown Shirt talk. Like fucking sheep. Dangerous. Are you too thick to consider other opinions for yourself? smfh

What’s “thick” is having such low information literacy you’re ignoring thousands of professionals working on something and picking out the odd nutter in unrelated fields who disagrees and making you think this makes you smart.

What you’re claiming is that you know more about how to assess evidence than people who are the best trained and most experienced in this field.

The wisest man realises there is much he does not know.

I bet you’d represent yourself in court as well.

 

[skybluetony176]

No I don't. What I see is the (unsurprising) fact that until a vaccine reaches full strength, people are more vulnerable.

Laurence Fox said different so. There you go.

 

[skybluetony176]

Serious question SBT, DOD, NW:

What did you think when companies started offering free stuff if you got vaccinated?
They'd never done it before, certainly not on a scale like that!
Free flights from Quantas! Fuckin hell!
Did it not make you think something wasn't right?
Because for me, when THAT happened I knew I had to check things out for myself.
Didn't it make you think?

It made me think people are as pig shit thick and ignorant as you.

 

[shmmeee]

Serious question SBT, DOD, NW:

What did you think when companies started offering free stuff if you got vaccinated?
They'd never done it before, certainly not on a scale like that!
Free flights from Quantas! Fuckin hell!
Did it not make you think something wasn't right?
Because for me, when THAT happened I knew I had to check things out for myself.
Didn't it make you think?

It made me think we’re in a pandemic that’s buggering the economy across the world at a time where our biggest issue stopping is getting back to normal is lack of vaccine uptake and all the data shows it’s hesitancy or lack of being arsed and not anti-vax sentiment that’s stopping it.

Why don’t you tell us your great conspiracy story? Who is doing what and why? How are they keeping tens of thousands of employees and independent scientists quiet?

 

[shmmeee]

You're fuckin hilarious mate.

I know but that’s not what we’re talking about now.

Come on, give us the story. Let’s hear it.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

What did you think when companies started offering free stuff if you got vaccinated?

That I wished they'd offered me some?

 

[chiefdave]

Did it not make you think something wasn't right?

Companies generally do things in their own benefit so it makes me think they've identified that the best thing for their company is to get back to normal as quickly as possible and the best way to achieve that is through high vaccination rates.

 

[Grendel]

Serious question SBT, DOD, NW:

What did you think when companies started offering free stuff if you got vaccinated?
They'd never done it before, certainly not on a scale like that!
Free flights from Quantas! Fuckin hell!
Did it not make you think something wasn't right?
Because for me, when THAT happened I knew I had to check things out for myself.
Didn't it make you think?

AZ is a non profit vaccine isn’t it?

 

[David O'Day]

You are either badly informed or ridiculously stupid

Cool mate, would you like to show us the studies that show vaccinated people aren't less likely to pass on the virus?

 

[shmmeee]

Conspiracy story? No idea. I think Shmee mentioned something about that, ask him.

 

[David O'Day]

Serious question SBT, DOD, NW:

What did you think when companies started offering free stuff if you got vaccinated?
They'd never done it before, certainly not on a scale like that!
Free flights from Quantas! Fuckin hell!
Did it not make you think something wasn't right?
Because for me, when THAT happened I knew I had to check things out for myself.
Didn't it make you think?

No because as said a world with reduced levels of covid are better environments for these companies to trade

 

[shmmeee]

Okay. Just wondering, that's all.

Do you ever get past the thinking and wondering stage and have a thought or an insight? Or is it perpetual mystification?

 

[David O'Day]

I'm waiting for the disproving evidence from bellow to show that the basic science behind how a vaccine works and builds up protection is in fact wrong.

He could get a nobel for that alone

 

[David O'Day]

Okay, good one!

No "evidence" to disprove this?

Ok weirdo

 

[Grendel]

Right now it is, yes.

So there’s little to support a conspiracy in that case they want to bung vaccines into people for financial gain.

 

[Skybluefaz]

This is reminding me of when my daughter tries to give me a legit reason for not eating her carrots "It's too orangey".

 

[Grendel]

Even if we ran with that, financial gain wouldn't involve killing people off, so at worst a vaccine would be a placebo, and no threat to people.

I do think Pzizer in trying to push the 4 week rule is an example of profit as is jabbing under 16’s but there’s no question it isn’t effective and without vaccines wed be in real trouble

 

[shmmeee]

But I wouldn't say there's "no question" just yet, would you?

Hell of a coincidence that deaths dropped with vaccine uptake then.

 

[Sick Boy]

But I wouldn't say there's "no question" just yet, would you?

So how do you explain the relatively low death numbers compared to cases, if it isn’t the vaccine having an impact? Why were we seeing up to 1000 daily deaths in European countries?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I do think Pzizer in trying to push the 4 week rule is an example of profit as is jabbing under 16’s but there’s no question it isn’t effective and without vaccines wed be in real trouble

The short gap between Pfizer was as much what they'd tested for, so it was a massive gamble to move further out and become a live trial, really. As it happens, that was proved right and a longer gap between jabs was fine, but I fully understand why they said it wasn't, with zero evidence to say otherwise!

 

[Deleted member 5849]

You need to go back and read the other posts Shmee:
CDC anounces you’re not counted as fully vaccinated until a full 14 days have passed since your second injection in the case of Pfizer or Moderna, or 14 days after your first dose of Janssen, despite the fact that over 80% of deaths after the vaccines occur in this window.

This means that the 'count' is being manipulated.

Your logic is incredibly backwards, and it's coming from a fixed pre-disposition of scepticism.

 

[shmmeee]

You need to go back and read the other posts Shmee:
CDC anounces you’re not counted as fully vaccinated until a full 14 days have passed since your second injection in the case of Pfizer or Moderna, or 14 days after your first dose of Janssen, despite the fact that over 80% of deaths after the vaccines occur in this window.

This means that the 'count' is being manipulated.

Funnily enough you’ve misunderstood my point. The death rate dropped by age group in like with vaccination roll out. In fact your point about 14 days for vaccines to be fully effective is right and why we know it’s saving lives.

As for number fixing, you know we have basic statistical methods to detect this quite reliably right? It’s how we know Russia’s numbers are bullshit for example. Or are the statisticians in on it as well?

How deep does this go Bella? My GF was part of an antibody study, should I be wary?

 

[shmmeee]

Your logic is incredibly backwards, and it's coming from a fixed pre-disposition of scepticism.

This isn’t scepticism. It’s mistrust of authority. Probably started in school.

 

[skybluetony176]

So, NONE of you have any questions regarding the safety of the vaccines then? Everything's hunky dory?
Okay.

Enjoy the game tonight.
PUSB

This should be good. Tell us then why you shouldn’t have the vaccine for safety reasons.

 

[Grendel]

But I wouldn't say there's "no question" just yet, would you?

Clearly yes as the stats prove they work

 

[shmmeee]

I posted the other day a quote from a now famously discredited Professor who said "As we prevent three deaths by vaccinating, we incur two deaths. Maybe he was right. Not saying he is, but it's food for thought.

Theres no maybe about it. He’s unequivocally wrong.

 

[chiefdave]

So, NONE of you have any questions regarding the safety of the vaccines then? Everything's hunky dory?
Okay.

There's been plenty of questioning of the various vaccines and vaccination programs on this thread but most people look at the evidence, listen to the experts and see that the benefit, both to themselves as an individual and the wider population, far outweighs the risk.

 

[David O'Day]

So, NONE of you have any questions regarding the safety of the vaccines then? Everything's hunky dory?
Okay.

Enjoy the game tonight.
PUSB

Had 2 doses kid, i'm fine

 

[David O'Day]

You need to go back and read the other posts Shmee:
CDC anounces you’re not counted as fully vaccinated until a full 14 days have passed since your second injection in the case of Pfizer or Moderna, or 14 days after your first dose of Janssen, despite the fact that over 80% of deaths after the vaccines occur in this window.

This means that the 'count' is being manipulated.

No it just counts as the vaccine takes around 14 days to build up your bodies defense levels.

Are you going to prove to use that basic vaccine dating back to Edward Jenner is wrong? Where is the studies that show that? you like to talk about facts?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

As I said, it is down to information really, and the fact that we are still in the early stages. It is unique this pandemic and the vaccine is new.

I follow your school of thought and I would assume that is correct, it seems what G posted is along those lines at least.

I think more to the point - why do I have to go on a CCFC forum to try and get that information. If this information is correct then it needs to be put out there. It will really help with the uptake in those people who are in the age ranges were the vaccine and pandemic doesn't particularly affect them otherwise.

It is out there and it’s in the peer reviewed literature if you want to dig into it.

 

[clint van damme]

So, NONE of you have any questions regarding the safety of the vaccines then? Everything's hunky dory?
Okay.

Enjoy the game tonight.
PUSB

I know of someone who suffered a serious medical condition recently which has been attributed to the vacinne and there is a poster on here who suffered issue which were attributed it so its not risk free.

However, the risks are very small compared to catching covid, I know of plenty who have died or who are suffering from long covid.

The stats convincingly stack up in favour of getting the jab.

 

[Skybluefaz]

Friend of a friend lost her husband to covid this week. He didn't get the vaccine. Leaving a family behind. Can't tell you his exact age but would be in his early forties.

 

[wingy]

Just discovered one of the Canley lads I hung around with way back has gone to this over the weekend.
Lively boy was Jimmy.
Obviously a sky-blue.