Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (197 Viewers)

[Deleted member 5849]

Anyway, another pompous preach.

You'll never get 100% agreement on anything, even by the experts qualified to do such a thing. For those of us who are non experts, however, we have to go with the consensus and, in Covid, the consensus is a pretty large majority. Leave the people who are qualified to challenge, and have their views either discredited or accepted. To use that minority as proof to confirm your pre-held beliefs, however, does nothing than to show that you're a bit, well... what's the diplomatic way of saying it? Stuck in your ways? Inflexible? Incapable of actually being aware of what critical thought *is*? Anyway, what it does show is you won't accept others have a better awareness than you, are better qualified than you to make a judgement.

Now, experts aren't right 100% of the time, consensus can change but, again, picking the times that that happens is picking the minority of times, and is the least likely option that they're wrong. They're certainly eleventy billion times more likely to be right than Ted down t'pub, with his flat cap and whippet.

 

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[Grendel]

I don't do facebook. By the way, did you know that Facebook "fact checkers" have two billion dollars in investments in pharmaceuticals?

This was something dug up by Thomas Massie. I always found John Kerry somewhat dull but his quip that COVID denier Massie "has tested positive for being an arsehole" was a good one

 

[David O'Day]

one piece of your “evidence"

"Pfizer vaccine does not work" scientific director of Pfizer Michael Yeadon

why are you giving Yeadon a job title he has not held for a decade?

 

[David O'Day]

Also did Yeadon say vaccinated people would die in 2 years and the vaccine causes infertility in women?

Why give that crank any thought

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

“As we prevent three deaths by vaccinating, we incur two deaths” Robert Mallone

Even if we assume this to be accurate, 33% less people will die if we take the vaccine than if we don't.

Basically you've just put forward a piece of 'evidence' that says it's better to get the vaccine than not.

 

[COV]

Even if we assume this to be accurate, 33% less people will die if we take the vaccine than if we don't.

Basically you've just put forward a piece of 'evidence' that says it's better to get the vaccine than not.

He won't give a toss, people like him don't care about facts.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Regardless, erring on the side of caution, I would rather listen to the advice of a biophysicist at Stanford University who won the Nobel Prize for Chemistry, than to some of the mainstream media. Wouldn't you? It's only common sense.

Far more motorists get killed on the motorway than pedestrians, so I'm erring on the side of caution, getting out of my car and walking.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Okay, I'm gonna say this and then I'm done.

DO NOT ALLOW YOUR CHILDREN TO BE VACCINATED!

The JCVI hasn't recommended vaccination for anybody under 16 apart from the clinically extremely vulnerable or associates of the same. I'm not sure why you are pretending there is a some conspiracy to vaccinate children.
If the JCVI did recommend it would be on the basis that to an individual child the balance outweighs the risk. It doesn't look like this will happen any time soon if ever.

 

[Philosoraptor]

Posted 10th July

Patients in hospital at 8.00 am have nearly trebled in a month. I don't understand how they are going to stop this increase. 10 weeks or so away from the NHS to be under the same pressure it was when the pandemic was at its last peak.

Covid in Scotland: NHS needs 1,000 more hospital beds say A&E doctors

The extra capacity would relieve pressure on emergency departments and the ambulance service, claim senior medics.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[shmmeee]

Regardless, erring on the side of caution, I would rather listen to the advice of a biophysicist at Stanford University who won the Nobel Prize for Chemistry, than to some of the mainstream media. Wouldn't you? It's only common sense.

Why would you listen to a chemist about virology?

For such a free independent thinker you sure do like outsourcing your common sense to anyone with a title.

 

[shmmeee]

I see no real arguments anymore. No rationality, only insults, and appeals through the media from authority. And people like you Liquid Gold and SkyBlueTony, I've read it all before, simplifying and gaslighting arguments to their basest level and giving no real substance. It may be scorn and ridicule now, and yes it's succeeding but what will be the long-term cost? Who's going to stand up and ask the questions if people like you bombard every question with a barrage of bullshit?

People are posting peer reviewed papers at you and you’re replying with “brandnewtube.com”

Which side is appealing to media authority again?

 

[Johnnythespider]

IF ANTS WERE THE SIZE OF DOGS THEY'D RULE THE WORLD.

Which breed ?

 

[skybluetony176]

Which breed ?

Chihuahua.

 

[Evo1883]

I'm far from being victorious mate. I'm expressing how fed up I am of having to put up with morons.

Don't forget you booster jab

You have booster jabs every year with a flu jab to be fair , why is this one so different?

What is the wink insinuating?

 

[clint van damme]

You have booster jabs every year with a flu jab to be fair , why is this one so different?

What is the wink insinuating?

That he knows where to get some Ivermectin?

 

[Evo1883]

That he knows where to get some Ivermectin?

"GO ON , GET VACCINATED AND HAVE LESS CHANCE OF DYING "

 

[Evo1883]

By the way , I actually did have my flu jab today

Jabbed up to fuck this year

 

[Johnnythespider]

Chihuahua.

Scary

 

[Evo1883]

I know we can't read the article , but here's the headline

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I know we can't read the article , but here's the headline

That would be no bad thing!

 

[chiefdave]

I know we can't read the article , but here's the headline

Dame Sarah Gilbert said Covid-19 would eventually become like other seasonal coronaviruses which cause the common cold and other illnesses Credit: David M. Benett/Dave Benett/Getty Images for Veuve Clicquot

Covid is unlikely to mutate into a much deadlier variant because there “aren’t many places for the virus to go”, the lead scientist behind the Oxford vaccine has said.

Dame Sarah Gilbert said that viruses tended to become less virulent over time as they spread through a population which was becoming more immune.

Although Dame Sarah said some genetic drift was to be expected, she said Covid-19 would eventually become like other seasonal coronaviruses which cause the common cold and respiratory infections.

Speaking on a Royal Society of Medicine webinar about variants on Wednesday, Dame Sarah said: “The virus can’t completely mutate because its spike protein has to interact with the ACE2 receptor on the surface of the human cell, in order to get inside that cell.

“If it changes its spike protein so much that it can’t interact with that receptor, then it’s not going to be able to get inside the cell. So there aren’t very many places for the virus to go to have something that will evade immunity but still be a really infectious virus.”


She added: “We normally see that viruses become less virulent as they circulate more easily and there is no reason to think we will have a more virulent version of Sars-CoV-2.

“We tend to see slow genetic drift of the virus and there will be gradual immunity developing in the population as there is to all the other seasonal coronaviruses. There are four of them and they’ve been circulating for decades and we’re not even aware of them.

“So we already live with four different human coronaviruses that we don’t really ever think about very much and eventually Sars-CoV-2 will become one of those. The question of how long it’s going to take to get there and what measures we’re going to have to take to manage it in the meantime.”

So far, virus variants which looked like they might be more virulent and evade immunity have been out-competed by the delta variant, which is more infectious.

Keeping an eye on beta and lambda variants

Experts are still concerned about the beta and lambda variants, but neither has managed to get a strong foothold in Britain.

Professor Sharon Peacock, the executive director of the Covid-19 UK Genomics Consortium, which monitors variants for the Government, also told the webinar: “It’s watch and wait, but delta is top of the list and other variants are not particularly concerning at the moment.

“It has been pretty quiet since delta emerged and it would be nice to think there won’t be any new variants of concern. If I was pushed to predict, I think there will be new variants emerging over time and I think there is still quite a lot of road to travel down with this virus.”

Prof Peacock said that it was important to genetically sequence people who became ill after travelling to check that new variants were not being imported into Britain as they were the “canary in the coal mine”.

However, she said that vaccinating as many people as possible around the world was the best way to prevent the emergence of worrying mutations.

“If we don’t vaccinate people and there is uncontrolled transmission and infection, then that is the right training ground for the virus to really emerge. That is a real variant of concern,” she added.

“If we don’t have very much infection, then the virus doesn’t have much chance to mutate. So vaccination of the world is not only the morally right thing to do, but the strategically right thing to do if we are going to protect the world. Sequencing travellers are the canary in the coal mine as they will be where new variants are emerging.”

Prof Peacock also said she had not completely ruled out that the virus had been engineered or had leaked from a lab.

“There is reason to think the virus did emerge from an animal host,” she said. “I haven’t seen any definitive evidence it is an engineered virus or escaped. But what this virus has taught me is to be humble when I’m wrong, and I’ve been wrong quite a few times and have had to become nimble in changing my mind.

“So if further evidence comes along that shows the virus as being engineered, I would be willing to consider that. But at the moment, in my view it has arisen from an animal.”

 

[wingy]

Yes some proff said a couple of weeks ago that it would be around 3years to get there m

 

[chiefdave]

Yes some proff said a couple of weeks ago that it would be around 3years to get there m

3 years from the start, which would seem about in line with past pandemics, or 3 years from now?

 

[baldy]

Just read that some bonfire nights around the country have been cancelled….why? They‘re outdoors,in that case,you may as well cancel all outdoor activities - where’s the science & proof behind these twatty decisions for Fawkes sake?

 

[David O'Day]

Just read that some bonfire nights around the country have been cancelled….why? They‘re outdoors,in that case,you may as well cancel all outdoor activities - where’s the science & proof behind these twatty decisions for Fawkes sake?

More a lack of fireworks issue mate

Bonfire Night fireworks ‘70% down’ due to Brexit and supply chain crisis

Suppliers said to be unwilling to stock up because of confusion over safety labelling and extra paperwork

www.theguardian.com

 

[baldy]

More a lack of fireworks issue mate

Bonfire Night fireworks ‘70% down’ due to Brexit and supply chain crisis

Suppliers said to be unwilling to stock up because of confusion over safety labelling and extra paperwork

www.theguardian.com

Nope…not in Leeds’ case - just read about it…fear over corona risks….pathetic

 

[David O'Day]

So a handful then at most

 

[David O'Day]

You mean this?

Leeds cancels city's six Bonfire Night events

Leeds Council said its six annual bonfire events would not take place this year.

www.bbc.co.uk

where the reason for cancelling is the governments recommendations and requirements for large crowd events make it not feasible for them to hold the 6 events?

 

[baldy]

You mean this?

Leeds cancels city's six Bonfire Night events

Leeds Council said its six annual bonfire events would not take place this year.

www.bbc.co.uk

where the reason for cancelling is the governments recommendations and requirements for large crowd events make it not feasible for them to hold the 6 events?

Yet how many people go to one football match at Elland Road every other week?

 

[Evo1883]

Did make me giggle can't lie

 

[wingy]

3 years from the start, which would seem about in line with past pandemics, or 3 years from now?

I think he meant from now.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Just read that some bonfire nights around the country have been cancelled….why? They‘re outdoors,in that case,you may as well cancel all outdoor activities - where’s the science & proof behind these twatty decisions for Fawkes sake?

Who are you complaining to? They're entirely independent events

 

[Skybluefaz]

 

[David O'Day]

Yet how many people go to one football match at Elland Road every other week?

and? You are made it should like loads of bonfire parties were being cancelled due to the covid transmission when in fact it was LCC who had cancelled 6 15 minute displays as they don't feel they can handle the logistics of enhanced checks

 

[skybluetony176]

Peer reviewed by who? Certainly not by the free thinkers. They've all been discredited, remember.

If your brain was made of dynamite you wouldn’t have enough to blow your nose. They were peer reviewed by other scientists with the relevant qualifications not free thinkers like right said Fred.