Match Thread Peterborough (H) Fri 24th Sept 7.45 ko (25 Viewers)

[clint van damme]

He was poor first half, didn’t know where to run, playing RB not RWB, leaving his man in space and not getting tackles in, missing easy passes, not beating men, a few poor crosses and that terrible shot. He’s also just not very lovable is he?

Got a lot better and showed why we signed him second half. The idea Dabo won’t get in ahead of him is laughable though. Dabs is a different level.

don't agree with that at all, he wasn't that bad first half and he's getting better every half he plays.

As for not being lovable, people have probably based that on what went on at QPR, as long as there's no repeat here then there's no issue for me.

I agree about him getting in ahead of Dabo but as I said on another thread, Dabos absence isn't now the crisis it once was.

 

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[SkyblueDad]

He was poor first half, didn’t know where to run, playing RB not RWB, leaving his man in space and not getting tackles in, missing easy passes, not beating men, a few poor crosses and that terrible shot. He’s also just not very lovable is he?

Absolute rubbish.

 

[shmmeee]

Absolute rubbish.

Bit harsh but if that’s your opinion of him I could agree

 

[shmmeee]

don't agree with that at all, he wasn't that bad first half and he's getting better every half he plays.

As for not being lovable, people have probably based that on what went on at QPR, as long as there's no repeat here then there's no issue for me.

I agree about him getting in ahead of Dabo but as I said on another thread, Dabos absence isn't now the crisis it once was.

Nah he just comes off as a bit of a prick, nothing to do with QPR, just both in interviews and on the pitch he’s a bit of a nob.

He’s a decent backup and in some games offers a change to Dabo. I finally saw something that once he’s up to speed with how we play he’ll be an asset. First half he wasn’t playing people in, seemed to get his head down and run into dead ends rather than look up and keep possession. His crossing when it’s good is much better than Dabos, but so is Dacostas, it’s consistency. I have the same issue with Maatsen though, silly floated balls to no one. Kane’s got about ten times the assists compared to Dabo over his career so I’m sure it’s just rustiness in his case. Question is can he shake that off if he’s not a regular starter. Dabo fits the team so much better at the moment for me, much smarter passing, drives past players better, better defensively, just the end product. If we could stick Kane’s end product on Dabo we’d have one hell of a WB.

 

[Nick]

Nah he just comes off as a bit of a prick, nothing to do with QPR, just both in interviews and on the pitch he’s a bit of a nob.

He’s a decent backup and in some games offers a change to Dabo. I finally saw something that once he’s up to speed with how we play he’ll be an asset. First half he wasn’t playing people in, seemed to get his head down and run into dead ends rather than look up and keep possession. His crossing when it’s good is much better than Dabos, but so is Dacostas, it’s consistency. I have the same issue with Maatsen though, silly floated balls to no one. Kane’s got about ten times the assists compared to Dabo over his career so I’m sure it’s just rustiness in his case. Question is can he shake that off if he’s not a regular starter. Dabo fits the team so much better at the moment for me, much smarter passing, drives past players better, better defensively, just the end product. If we could stick Kane’s in be product on Dabo we’d have one hell of a WB.

He did play people in?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Nah he just comes off as a bit of a prick, nothing to do with QPR, just both in interviews and on the pitch he’s a bit of a nob.

He’s a decent backup and in some games offers a change to Dabo. I finally saw something that once he’s up to speed with how we play he’ll be an asset. First half he wasn’t playing people in, seemed to get his head down and run into dead ends rather than look up and keep possession. His crossing when it’s good is much better than Dabos, but so is Dacostas, it’s consistency. I have the same issue with Maatsen though, silly floated balls to no one. Kane’s got about ten times the assists compared to Dabo over his career so I’m sure it’s just rustiness in his case. Question is can he shake that off if he’s not a regular starter. Dabo fits the team so much better at the moment for me, much smarter passing, drives past players better, better defensively, just the end product. If we could stick Kane’s end product on Dabo we’d have one hell of a WB.

Before Millwall he hadn’t started since March. Dabo’s moment of madness is the only reason he’s starting despite not being up to speed. You do seem quick to write players off I think.

 

[shmmeee]

Before Millwall he hadn’t started since March. Dabo’s moment of madness is the only reason he’s starting despite not being up to speed. You do seem quick to write players off I think.

Who says I’ve written anyone off?

There’s this weird thing on here where if you’re not saying someone is perfect every game you think they should be on the scrap heap.

 

[shmmeee]

He did play people in?

Not first half there were a few times when an easy ball inside was on and he ignored it and didn’t get anywhere.

 

[Blind-Faith]

Who cares if he’s a prick? If he gets an assist every game and plays well every game does it matter? Aslong as it doesn’t effect squad moral and the performances don’t drop

 

[Marty]

Nah he just comes off as a bit of a prick, nothing to do with QPR, just both in interviews and on the pitch he’s a bit of a nob.

He’s a decent backup and in some games offers a change to Dabo. I finally saw something that once he’s up to speed with how we play he’ll be an asset. First half he wasn’t playing people in, seemed to get his head down and run into dead ends rather than look up and keep possession. His crossing when it’s good is much better than Dabos, but so is Dacostas, it’s consistency. I have the same issue with Maatsen though, silly floated balls to no one. Kane’s got about ten times the assists compared to Dabo over his career so I’m sure it’s just rustiness in his case. Question is can he shake that off if he’s not a regular starter. Dabo fits the team so much better at the moment for me, much smarter passing, drives past players better, better defensively, just the end product. If we could stick Kane’s end product on Dabo we’d have one hell of a WB.

Dabo was poor in the first half he was sent off in. Couldn't pass wind that half. Kane was poor first half last night but he was brilliant in the second, the cross for the goal was brilliant, if he puts in a 75+ minute display next game similar to the second half, I'm not sure Dabo will be back in the team any time soon.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Who says I’ve written anyone off?

There’s this weird thing on here where if you’re not saying someone is perfect every game you think they should be on the scrap heap.

I know that sentiment pretty well myself. But with Waghorn, Moore and Kane it felt like you had already decided they’d be crap before they’d played. In all 3 cases they were rusty on arrival so can’t be properly judged till that’s shaken off.

 

[covcity4life]

Nah he just comes off as a bit of a prick, nothing to do with QPR, just both in interviews and on the pitch he’s a bit of a nob.

He’s a decent backup and in some games offers a change to Dabo. I finally saw something that once he’s up to speed with how we play he’ll be an asset. First half he wasn’t playing people in, seemed to get his head down and run into dead ends rather than look up and keep possession. His crossing when it’s good is much better than Dabos, but so is Dacostas, it’s consistency. I have the same issue with Maatsen though, silly floated balls to no one. Kane’s got about ten times the assists compared to Dabo over his career so I’m sure it’s just rustiness in his case. Question is can he shake that off if he’s not a regular starter. Dabo fits the team so much better at the moment for me, much smarter passing, drives past players better, better defensively, just the end product. If we could stick Kane’s end product on Dabo we’d have one hell of a WB.

You are shite at rating wing backs. Treat it like a video game.

 

[fernandopartridge]

The first goal was superb, from our own corner to having 6 players in the opposition box in seconds, this is the difference

 

[procdoc]

Oh look it’s becoming the Shmmeee show again. What an utterly clueless bloke

 

[kg82]

Not first half there were a few times when an easy ball inside was on and he ignored it and didn’t get anywhere.

Where did this happen? I think I know, just want confirmation!

 

[shmmeee]

I know that sentiment pretty well myself. But with Waghorn, Moore and Kane it felt like you had already decided they’d be crap before they’d played. In all 3 cases they were rusty on arrival so can’t be properly judged till that’s shaken off.

All started crap

There’s some on here that only ever say every player is brilliant then act like geniuses and start throwing abuse around when they have a good game.

When a player is crap I’ll say they’re crap, when they’re good I’ll say they’re good. I don’t hold grudges and I’m not a simpleton that has to say every players brilliant like I’m a JSB in his first season. Just call things how I see em.

 

[shmmeee]

Where did this happen? I think I know, just want confirmation!

Funnily enough on the right wing?

 

[procdoc]

Jesus wept

 

[kg82]

Funnily enough on the right wing?

You mean, in the RWB position, in their half?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The first goal was superb, from our own corner to having 6 players in the opposition box in seconds, this is the difference

It was glorious to watch, players streaming forward with pace on the counter in a way we haven’t actually seen all that much. Peterborough just caved under the pressure

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

All started crap

There’s some on here that only ever say every player is brilliant then act like geniuses and start throwing abuse around when they have a good game.

When a player is crap I’ll say they’re crap, when they’re good I’ll say they’re good. I don’t hold grudges and I’m not a simpleton that has to say every players brilliant like I’m a JSB in his first season. Just call things how I see em.

My point is you have to wait before making that judgment. There’s a difference between saying someone had a poor game and recognising that they’re not fully up to speed yet so allow them to do that before criticising their efforts.

The magnificent Dabo being a moron against Cardiff has made us start someone who isn’t fully match sharp and has just got through the door.

 

[Tommo1993]

Kane and Dabo complete each other. He makes up for Dabo’s lack of decent crosses. Maybe play them both and hope nobody notices.

 

[shmmeee]

My point is you have to wait before making that judgment. There’s a difference between saying someone had a poor game and recognising that they’re not fully up to speed yet so allow them to do that before criticising their efforts.

The magnificent Dabo being a moron against Cardiff has made us start someone who isn’t fully match sharp and has just got through the door.

Dont get this sorry.

If a player plays badly just come on an post “can’t mention that I’m sure they’ll get better” for what? Their first ten games?

Sometimes established decent players have a stinker too, how many free pass games does a player get exactly?

I’ll just stick with: player plays well I’ll say they played well player plays badly I’ll say they played badly I think. Seems a lot easier.

Anyway, if you read my posts where apparently I was lagging Kane off I said “I’m not saying he won’t get better it takes a lot of players time to get to our level, just he was awful there”.

Just another run away SBT meme this.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Dont get this sorry.

If a player plays badly just come on an post “can’t mention that I’m sure they’ll get better” for what? Their first ten games?

Sometimes established decent players have a stinker too, how many free pass games does a player get exactly?

I’ll just stick with: player plays well I’ll say they played well player plays badly I’ll say they played badly I think. Seems a lot easier.

Waghorn was pretty poor first 3 games. I said as much but also said he looked like he was carrying a lot of rust and hadn’t given up on him improving once that was gone.

I haven’t said Kane was brilliant either, the shot was comical and yes he showed some hesitation first half in advanced areas. But he arrived on deadline day having been in the QPR bomb squad for 6 months, so I get why he isn’t all there yet.

Whereas you described him as ‘awful’ at Millwall which to me just beggared belief

 

[procdoc]

Stop it Shmmeee you’re just embarrassing yourself at this point

 

[skyblu3sk]

All started crap

There’s some on here that only ever say every player is brilliant then act like geniuses and start throwing abuse around when they have a good game.

When a player is crap I’ll say they’re crap, when they’re good I’ll say they’re good. I don’t hold grudges and I’m not a simpleton that has to say every players brilliant like I’m a JSB in his first season. Just call things how I see em.

Not very good at judging potential then, just current performance.

 

[kg82]

Dont get this sorry.

If a player plays badly just come on an post “can’t mention that I’m sure they’ll get better” for what? Their first ten games?

Sometimes established decent players have a stinker too, how many free pass games does a player get exactly?

I’ll just stick with: player plays well I’ll say they played well player plays badly I’ll say they played badly I think. Seems a lot easier.

Anyway, if you read my posts where apparently I was lagging Kane off I said “I’m not saying he won’t get better it takes a lot of players time to get to our level, just he was awful there”.

Just another run away SBT meme this.

But if everything’s so black and white, expect to get called out on it when many disagree.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Stop it Shmmeee you’re just embarrassing yourself at this point

There’s saying ‘I don’t think x played well’ and there’s deciding x is a waste of a signing before he’s kicked a ball then working back from the conclusion. With Moore at least he’s played so well that there was no other option but to backtrack completely

 

[shmmeee]

Waghorn was pretty poor first 3 games. I said as much but also said he looked like he was carrying a lot of rust and hadn’t given up on him improving once that was gone.

I haven’t said Kane was brilliant either, the shot was comical and yes he showed some hesitation first half in advanced areas. But he arrived on deadline day having been in the QPR bomb squad for 6 months, so I get why he isn’t all there yet.

Whereas you described him as ‘awful’ at Millwall which to me just beggared belief

First half at Millwall he was awful

Players play badly for all sorts of reasons. There’s always an excuse.

Take it the other way, Hyam, who I generally don’t rate, was outstanding yesterday and really made me question my judgement that he’s not up to upper championship level. That said it was against a L1 team.

Walker, who I like a lot and on paper would have as our second striker has been poor when he’s been on this season and is making me question whether he’s up to it. Though he thrives on service and our final ball has been the one thing I think we need to improve this season.

The idea that I write players off is a nonsense. I might value different things in players (especially wing backs), but I don’t write anyone off.

 

[wingy]

Nah he just comes off as a bit of a prick, nothing to do with QPR, just both in interviews and on the pitch he’s a bit of a nob.

He’s a decent backup and in some games offers a change to Dabo. I finally saw something that once he’s up to speed with how we play he’ll be an asset. First half he wasn’t playing people in, seemed to get his head down and run into dead ends rather than look up and keep possession. His crossing when it’s good is much better than Dabos, but so is Dacostas, it’s consistency. I have the same issue with Maatsen though, silly floated balls to no one. Kane’s got about ten times the assists compared to Dabo over his career so I’m sure it’s just rustiness in his case. Question is can he shake that off if he’s not a regular starter. Dabo fits the team so much better at the moment for me, much smarter passing, drives past players better, better defensively, just the end product. If we could stick Kane’s end product on Dabo we’d have one hell of a WB.

Not sure if your first sentence is allowing you to be objective here Shmmeee?
In fact I don't want to alarm anyone but we most likely will be looking to make a sale either in Jan or next summer.
This nafty bit of business may make that exiteer Dabo IMO.

Also frivolous observation re your username.
It's only just occurred to me that the sh part has Dutch connotations, I'm wondering how so at least ten year prior to being with the Dutch lady lol, Shmoking?

 

[shmmeee]

But if everything’s so black and white, expect to get called out on it when many disagree.

Well yeah, that’s what football forums are about. I’d rather be black and white than all black or all white though.

 

[shmmeee]

Not sure if your first sentence is allowing you to be objective here Shmmeee?
In fact I don't want to alarm anyone but we most likely will be looking to make a sale either in Jan or next summer.
This nafty bit of business may make that exiteer Dabo IMO.

Also frivolous observation re your username.
It's only just occurred to me that the sh part has Dutch connotations, I'm wondering how so at least ten year prior to being with the Dutch lady lol, Shmoking?

Firstly, don’t let me GF hear you say about the “sh” thing. They don’t get why people think they talk like that at all.

Username was picked years ago as generic internet username. It’s a bastardisation of “it’s me”.

Yeah I’m sure a players personality has an effect. Bit like Ronaldo V Messi when it’s hard to like Ronaldo.

 

[Tommo1993]

First half at Millwall he was awful

Players play badly for all sorts of reasons. There’s always an excuse.

Take it the other way, Hyam, who I generally don’t rate, was outstanding yesterday and really made me question my judgement that he’s not up to upper championship level. That said it was against a L1 team.

Walker, who I like a lot and on paper would have as our second striker has been poor when he’s been on this season and is making me question whether he’s up to it. Though he thrives on service and our final ball has been the one thing I think we need to improve this season.

The idea that I write players off is a nonsense. I might value different things in players (especially wing backs), but I don’t write anyone off.

I’ll finally jump in. It’s taken you until last night to finally question your judgement on Hyam. Mental.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

First half at Millwall he was awful

Players play badly for all sorts of reasons. There’s always an excuse.

Take it the other way, Hyam, who I generally don’t rate, was outstanding yesterday and really made me question my judgement that he’s not up to upper championship level. That said it was against a L1 team.

Walker, who I like a lot and on paper would have as our second striker has been poor when he’s been on this season and is making me question whether he’s up to it. Though he thrives on service and our final ball has been the one thing I think we need to improve this season.

The idea that I write players off is a nonsense. I might value different things in players (especially wing backs), but I don’t write anyone off.

He wasn’t awful at Millwall though. Maatsen was the one they were targeting and he looked a lot more uncomfortable.

Look at what you wrote when those 3 were signed, Moore especially. Then after a few pre season games you saw that as confirmation we had the ghost of Michael Quirke between the sticks. Whether you mean it or not it looks to me and others like you pass judgment way too quickly

 

[shmmeee]

He wasn’t awful at Millwall though. Maatsen was the one they were targeting and he looked a lot more uncomfortable.

Look at what you wrote when those 3 were signed, Moore especially. Then after a few pre season games you saw that as confirmation we had the ghost of Michael Quirke between the sticks. Whether you mean it or not it looks to me and others like you pass judgment way too quickly

What I wrote was that Moore was a gamble because he hadn’t played for ages and had never consistently performed at this level. And he was terrible first few games. Once he settled in he’s been outstanding, happy to hold my hands up on that one.

It’s not like some on here with Sheaf or Maatsen where they decided hes shit and spend an entire season downplaying everything they do.

I don’t buy the idea that teams play down one side because they’re targeting a player as opposed to that’s where they happen to play down. We played down the right a lot at times because Dabo and Hamer were on that side, not because all the opposition LBs were crap. And as I’ve been over many times I see WBs as midfielders primarily not defenders. 3412 not 5212.