Ratings thread? (12 Viewers)

[stupot07]

As does Gus if we plan on him continuing to take corners

Agreed, his delivery was so good last season, but yesterday was awful.

Also his freekick, why didn't he knuckle it like Derby?

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[The Philosopher]

The estate agent who sold out house is a League 1 and 2 assistant referee. (Lino!). He said that Godden was the hardest player to catch because his movement is so clever. Just a thought!

That’s interesting.

Any stat-gimps on here have the number of free kicks in dangerous areas / penalties won per minute that Godden has throughout his career?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

It’s a form of blatant virtue-signalling: “look at me, I’m standing up for Sheaf”.

Fuck me, so Sheaf's now a lefty woke transexual black person who's keen on saving the environment?

 

[shmmeee]

Fuck me, so Sheaf's now a lefty woke transexual black person who's keen on saving the environment?

Typical North London Elite m8

 

[COV]

100% agree.

It’s a tricky thing pointing out any of Sheaf’s errors on this forum. There are one or two on here that will immediately pounce and point out some stat or other and say you’re “clueless” or that you aren’t astute enough to see that he has many invisible talents.

It’s a form of blatant virtue-signalling: “look at me, I’m standing up for Sheaf”. It’s not about Sheaf, it’s about them, and it’s a tad sad. They probably change their Facebook avatar to whichever flag represents the latest tragedy. It’s: “ look at me, look how caring I am”.

Anyway, I’ve pointed out on several occasions this season that Sheaf needs to sort out his retention and passing selection. He’s a good player with potential - no one is denying that; but there’s a simple question to ask: IF we make the playoffs and sneak it into the Prem, is Sheaf good enough as is? I say no, not until he sorts out his retention and passing choice.

For the record, never boo’d or slagged Sheaf at a match. Might have rolled my eyes and shook my head, but booing - no.

Don’t @ me with stats. Stats don’t tell the whole story.

It’s such a stupid argument to criticise Sheaf based on him not being good enough for the Premier League. I don’t think any of our players would be good enough for the Premier League.

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

That’s interesting.

Any stat-gimps on here have the number of free kicks in dangerous areas / penalties won per minute that Godden has throughout his career?

You do make some good points but constantly referring to people as stat gimps is making you look silly

 

[stupot07]

You do make some good points but constantly referring to people as stat gimps is making you look silly

Once you start calling people names you know you've lost the argument.

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[The Philosopher]

It’s such a stupid argument to criticise Sheaf based on him not being good enough for the Premier League. I don’t think any of our players would be good enough for the Premier League.

There are a few that I think could develop between now and then to be so.
Vik, Gus, Cal, Fanky some of the loanees may. Moore possibly.

My point is clear: Sheaf will not progress to where he no doubt wants to get to without sorting out that side of his game.

 

[The Philosopher]

You do make some good points but constantly referring to people as stat gimps is making you look silly

Fair enough. I’ll reflect on that.

Any folk on here who like stats have any figures on the number of pens and such per minute that Godden wins? Any comparison stat v Waghorn / Walker?

I’m interested is all. Thought Walker unlucky to be dropped after bagging 2 in 2 but stats like that (Godden pens won) are genuinely insightful.

 

[covcity4life]

As does Gus if we plan on him continuing to take corners

His corners have been fantastic in previous games

 

[clint van damme]

It'd be interesting to see pass completion yesterday of Hamer compared to Sheaf. I suspect it'd be about similar but Sheaf's misplaced passes are the ones everyone highlights...

It seems to me that his misplaced passes are more problematic and lose us possession in more dangerous areas.

As I've said elsewhere, I still prefer him to Kelly.

 

[covcity4life]

There are a few that I think could develop between now and then to be so.
Vik, Gus, Cal, Fanky some of the loanees may. Moore possibly.

My point is clear: Sheaf will not progress to where he no doubt wants to get to without sorting out that side of his game.

We are better with him than without so that's all that matters

 

[larry_david]

His corners have been fantastic in previous games

And not one player has got on the end of them

 

[covcity4life]

And not one player has got on the end of them

That's not his fault tho

But I agree we need to get more set piece goals. Take advantage of hamers technique

 

[stay_up_skyblues]

His corners have been fantastic in previous games

Yeah first five or six games of season every other corner almost went in directly.

 

[DannyThomas_1981]

Once you start calling people names you know you've lost the argument.

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I would say that 99% of debates on here end with name calling to be honest Stu!

If anyone dares to offer even a fair balanced view (such as the Philosopher) which contradicts the views of '2 or 3 of the hard core' then it usually descends into the usual:
-I've got a stat that absolutely proves my argument (followed by some completely random stat most likely not related to the discussion)
-this is a football forum - you're not really made for this are you
-finding a post from 2009 in which the poster was ultimately seen to be wrong
-finally when there is no argument left we get the usual....you're crazy and obsessed
-and then laughing emojis (the ultimate sign that an argument is lost to be honest)

What is interesting and the psychiatrists would certainly have a field day on this is that the same set of posters who jumped on every mistake that Max was supposed to have made last season are pretty much finding excuses and mitigating factors every time Sheaf is viewed to be responsible for something.

It's actually really positive that posters are defending players but it doesn't mean that we can't have a balanced debate as to how any player can improve.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I think the infuriating thing about Sheaf is that we know he has the technical ability and the mistakes seem to be due to being too casual and lacking concentration. You would think that would be reasonably easy to rectify but the problem is persisting as if he's not worked out or acknowledged the issue. Maybe at some point it will click and he'll stop those moments but at the moment it can be infuriating.

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

I would say that 99% of debates on here end with name calling to be honest Stu!

If anyone dares to offer even a fair balanced view (such as the Philosopher) which contradicts the views of '2 or 3 of the hard core' then it usually descends into the usual:
-I've got a stat that absolutely proves my argument (followed by some completely random stat most likely not related to the discussion)
-this is a football forum - you're not really made for this are you
-finding a post from 2009 in which the poster was ultimately seen to be wrong
-finally when there is no argument left we get the usual....you're crazy and obsessed
-and then laughing emojis (the ultimate sign that an argument is lost to be honest)

What is interesting and the psychiatrists would certainly have a field day on this is that the same set of posters who jumped on every mistake that Max was supposed to have made last season are pretty much finding excuses and mitigating factors every time Sheaf is viewed to be responsible for something.

It's actually really positive that posters are defending players but it doesn't mean that we can't have a balanced debate as to how any player can improve.

Not the same posters is it? If I remember correctly, Stu and CC4L rated Biamou

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

His corners have been fantastic in previous games

Not particularly, PNE for example one was decent the rest not so

 

[stupot07]

Not the same posters is it? If I remember correctly, Stu and CC4L rated Biamou

Yeah, we both stuck up for Biamou.

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[skybluegod]

There are a few that I think could develop between now and then to be so.
Vik, Gus, Cal, Fanky some of the loanees may. Moore possibly.

My point is clear: Sheaf will not progress to where he no doubt wants to get to without sorting out that side of his game.

I'd actually agree with those with the exception of Fanky. Which I realise will be unpopular. On his day he is unplayable. But he's far too inconsistent at this level to have shown anything to me at this stage that he could take it a step even further. I like him a lot probably my 'favourite' player, but he certainly has his limitations.

 

[Evo1883]

The estate agent who sold out house is a League 1 and 2 assistant referee. (Lino!). He said that Godden was the hardest player to catch because his movement is so clever. Just a thought!

Godden is a good player , even at this level he's putting in solid performances .. he's not as slow as some think either

 

[stupot07]

I'd actually agree with those with the exception of Fanky. Which I realise will be unpopular. On his day he is unplayable. But he's far too inconsistent at this level to have shown anything to me at this stage that he could take it a step even further. I like him a lot probably my 'favourite' player, but he certainly has his limitations.

I would agree with that.

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[Sick Boy]

And THIS is what makes people focus on him more .
He's a repeat offender , it's fine saying his pass completion is 88% or whatever when some of the misplaced passes from the 12 % put us in the shit .

He's a talented lad but I don't know what goes through his head at times .. confidence maybe ?

Still we get better results with them 2 in the middle overall , so we must persist and hope it stops with more game time

Lack of experience, feeling under pressure, noticing the groans/abuse of fans etc.

 

[Sick Boy]

Godden is a good player , even at this level he's putting in solid performances .. he's not as slow as some think either

The one on one yesterday definitely highlighted his lack of pace

 

[DannyThomas_1981]

Not the same posters is it? If I remember correctly, Stu and CC4L rated Biamou

Trying to make the point the other way around - some of the same posters who always jumped on every Biamou mistake (whatever the circumstances) are exactly the same posters who now defend every Sheaf 'mistake' by pointing to mitigating circumstances.

It's just interesting how cult like this forum gets at times that's all I'm saying and as such reasoned and moderate voices get silenced.

 

[Evo1883]

The one on one yesterday definitely highlighted his lack of pace

I mean he's not Jamie vardy , but actually the reason he couldn't get into his stride from o hare pass was because his first touch probably slowed him down more than he'd have liked allowing the defender who was already at full sprint to catch him

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

Trying to make the point the other way around - some of the same posters who always jumped on every Biamou mistake (whatever the circumstances) are exactly the same posters who now defend every Sheaf 'mistake' by pointing to mitigating circumstances.

It's just interesting how cult like this forum gets at times that's all I'm saying and as such reasoned and moderate voices get silenced.

Because Sheaf is a better player, has contributed this season to a team in 4th and has more room for improvement? Not really sure how Biamou has crept into conversations again

 

[Sick Boy]

Trying to make the point the other way around - some of the same posters who always jumped on every Biamou mistake (whatever the circumstances) are exactly the same posters who now defend every Sheaf 'mistake' by pointing to mitigating circumstances.

It's just interesting how cult like this forum gets at times that's all I'm saying and as such reasoned and moderate voices get silenced.

Sheaf is a young, developing player whereas Biamou was a senior squad member.

 

[Warthog]

Trying to make the point the other way around - some of the same posters who always jumped on every Biamou mistake (whatever the circumstances) are exactly the same posters who now defend every Sheaf 'mistake' by pointing to mitigating circumstances.

It's just interesting how cult like this forum gets at times that's all I'm saying and as such reasoned and moderate voices get silenced.

Sorry but referring to a section of our support, who are willing to support the players despite their mistakes, as a cult is pathetic and shameful

 

[Evo1883]

Lack of experience, feeling under pressure, noticing the groans/abuse of fans etc.

I don't think you can blame the fans at this point , who have backed the team generally like never before .

 

[Sick Boy]

I don't think you can blame the fans at this point , who have backed the team generally like never before .

I mean individual players, it’s naive to think the boo boys targets don’t pick up on the negativity.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

There are a few that I think could develop between now and then to be so.
Vik, Gus, Cal, Fanky some of the loanees may. Moore possibly.

My point is clear: Sheaf will not progress to where he no doubt wants to get to without sorting out that side of his game.

Wow no way one can call that yet

 

[Evo1883]

I mean individual players, it’s naive to think the boo boys targets don’t pick up on the negativity.

I don't think the fans are to blame for sheaf making silly passes , is my point

 

[Evo1883]

Anyway this is goddens first touch yesterday , he actually lifts the ball off the floor instead of pushing it forward several yards .. it slowed him down