Migrants crossing from Europe (34 Viewers)

[Evo1883]

Who says they’re illegal? If they have a legitimate claim to asylum they’re acting perfectly within international law.

Why cross the channel via criminal activity if you have a legitimate claim to asylum ? Just come normally?

 

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[skybluetony176]

They're in France clint mate , a developed democratic peaceful country..

Go about it the correct way , as stated by Brighton , and don't risk your kids lives on a dingy in the middle of the channel.

Anyway , Britain is shit , why come here .. stay in the EU where they will prosper even more

They have many reasons for coming here. From speak the language to they already have family and/or friends here to unite with.

 

[Evo1883]

UK ranks 14th across Europe for the number of asylum applications per capita

As stated , there are many reasons for this.. why are people so keen to just keep loading these islands with people ... it's frankly weird and definitely not an election winner ...so you know

 

[clint van damme]

Well if we revert to COVs argument , he stated that we are taking in less every year ?

Either way , the argument about mainland Europe taking in more migrants is quite obvious isn't it .. a huge body of land joined together with open borders ..

It's far easier to travel to and settle in mainland Europe, added ro the fact much of it Is alot closer to the middle east .

So is your argument we shouldn't take any and the EU should or are you asking for a solution?

Because if its the latter the only way is to stop people fleeing in the first place.

 

[COV]

As stated , there are many reasons for this.. why are people so keen to just keep loading these islands with people ... it's frankly weird and definitely not an election winner ...so you know

I don’t think anyone is saying that this should be policy to be encouraging people to risk their lives, more that if you’re gonna stop it you need to understand the bigger picture as to why it’s happening, that then takes you to working out what they’re fleeing and why.. and the answers to that are uncomfortable for us.

 

[clint van damme]

As stated , there are many reasons for this.. why are people so keen to just keep loading these islands with people ... it's frankly weird and definitely not an election winner ...so you know

Funnily enough, the party responsible for the current situation have been in office for 11 years and have an 80 seat majority so either it is a vote winner or the electorate didn't know what they were voting for.

 

[Sick Boy]

I’d imagine there’s a correlation between Brexit and the increase with France being less co-operative and not under obligation?

 

[Evo1883]

So is your argument we shouldn't take any and the EU should or are you asking for a solution?

Because if its the latter the only way is to stop people fleeing in the first place.

Clint , it's a tedious old argument.

Take some fair enough , take more or you're a nasty bastard ... it's never enough for people like you , Tony unless we just continuously let people in , doest matter how many ... because feelings

 

[Evo1883]

Funnily enough, the party responsible for the current situation have been in office for 11 years and have an 80 seat majority so either it is a vote winner or the electorate didn't know what they were voting for.

We know

 

[clint van damme]

Clint , it's a tedious old argument.

Take some fair enough , take more or you're a nasty bastard ... it's never enough for people like you , Tony unless we just continuously let people in , doest matter how many ... because feelings

I didn't vote for this. Tories and Brexiteers did, own it.

 

[skybluetony176]

Why cross the channel via criminal activity if you have a legitimate claim to asylum ? Just come normally?

What’s normally? Our government doesn’t offer them a legitimate route to claim asylum here except for the odd exception like the recent withdrawal from Afghanistan. The only way they can claim asylum is to be here, there really is only one option to the people arriving by boat and that’s arrive by boat so they can claim asylum.

 

[Evo1883]

What’s normally? Our government doesn’t offer them a legitimate route to claim asylum here except for the odd exception like the recent withdrawal from Afghanistan. The only way they can claim asylum is to be here, there really is only one option to the people arriving by boat and that’s arrive by boat so they can claim asylum.

Send the navy over .. sail them across.. you can meet them with crisps and blankets .
Problem solved

No need for parents to put their kids lives at risk , no need to spend several thousand pound on a dingy trip.

Let's take them all and save the heartache

 

[clint van damme]

Send the navy over .. sail them across.. you can meet them with crisps and blankets .
Problem solved

Don't start conflicts in Sovereign states that misplace millions of people.
Problem solved.

 

[Evo1883]

I didn't vote for this. Tories and Brexiteers did, own it.

Hahahahhaa clint if you had your way you'd have them all , so why you moaning at all mate

 

[clint van damme]

Hahahahhaa clint if you had your way you'd have them all , so why you moaning at all mate

No, see my other posts, if I had my way Iraqis, Afghans, Lybians and Syrians would have any need to be fleeing confli to and would stay home.

 

[Evo1883]

Don't start conflicts in Sovereign states that misplace millions of people.
Problem solved.

Did we actually start the Syrian conflict ? Did we start the afghan conflict or was that started for them ?

Behave

 

[Evo1883]

No, see my other posts, if I had my way Iraqis, Afghans, Lybians and Syrians would have any need to be fleeing confli to and would stay home.

Iraq I can give you , WMD no chance .. let's not make out he wasn't killing thousands of his own people anyway . you'd have also moaned if we did nothing about that

 

[skybluetony176]

Send the navy over .. sail them across.. you can meet them with crisps and blankets .
Problem solved

No need for parents to put their kids lives at risk , no need to spend several thousand pound on a dingy trip.

Let's take them all and save the heartache

Don’t forget the hot chocolates.

Let’s take them all on one condition. They all get a free house, free car and a wide screen TV.

 

[clint van damme]

Did we actually start the Syrian conflict ? Did we start the afghan conflict or was that started for them ?

Behave

We went into Afghanistan originally after 9/11, quite bizarrely.
We should never have got involved in Syria (we being the west not specifically the uk). Of course its to do with western and Russian proxies but still, Western foreign policy has been a disaster.

 

[Evo1883]

Don’t forget the hot chocolates.

Let’s take them all on one condition. They all get a free house, free car and a wide screen TV.

Absolutely ... put the whole nations council tax up first though .. to pay for it ofcourse

 

[Evo1883]

We went into Afghanistan originally after 9/11, quite bizarrely.
We should never have got involved in Syria (we being the west not specifically the uk). Of course its to do with western and Russian proxies but still, Western foreign policy has been a disaster.

So we've established that Syria was already In civil war , there is no evidence to suggest that the civil war wouldn't have resulted in hundreds of thousands of refugees , it would likely have been the case , as with all conflict .

Damned if you do or don't really .

And saddam was convicted of genocide

 

[skybluetony176]

Absolutely ... put the whole nations council tax up first though .. to pay for it ofcourse

Don’t be silly. That money is already earmarked for government cronies.

 

[clint van damme]

Iraq I can give you , WMD no chance .. let's not make out he wasn't killing thousands of his own people anyway . you'd have also moaned if we did nothing about that

We shouldn't have installed him in the first place.
And no, we shouldn't have interfered, as bad as he was. There's plenty of worse dictators we've left alone.
I haven't always thought this but that's because I listened to Christopher Hitchens thoughts onthe matter but I now think he was wrong.

 

[Evo1883]

We shouldn't have installed him in the first place.
And no, we shouldn't have interfered, as bad as he was. There's plenty of worse dictators we've left alone.
I haven't always thought this but that's because I listened to Christopher Hitchens thoughts onthe matter but I now think he was wrong.

There is , but people generally are not happy when we do nothing are they ? They are also equally unhappy when we do ?

Lose lose

 

[Evo1883]

Don’t be silly. That money is already earmarked for government cronies.

Just 1 conversation that doesn't involve tory corruption etc would be spectacular... please .

Tony, I don't like the tories pal ,you're shouting down an empty hole

 

[clint van damme]

There is , but people generally are not happy when we do nothing are they ? They are also equally unhappy when we do ?

Lose lose

If you go into politics you're expected to make difficult decisions, comes with the territory.

And people displaced by conflict will be a drop in the ocean compared to people displaced by climate change in the next few decades. Things aren't going to get better.

 

[Evo1883]

Anyway I'm moving onto a 5 day week from tomorrow , so this shit , that we go through annually on here .. is going the same way as every time with the same arguments.. so we all know already how we feel

Time for bed

 

[wingy]

Absolutely ... put the whole nations council tax up first though .. to pay for it ofcourse

They' re booking hotels independently of local councils,who are in the court's trying to stop this I believe.

 

[Skybluefaz]

And people displaced by conflict will be a drop in the ocean compared to people displaced by climate change in the next few decades. Things aren't going to get better.

Fuck me, when Norwich is underwater are we going to have to take Chris Sutton and the big eared boys on farms? What a future.

 

[Grendel]

I don’t think anyone is saying that this should be policy to be encouraging people to risk their lives, more that if you’re gonna stop it you need to understand the bigger picture as to why it’s happening, that then takes you to working out what they’re fleeing and why.. and the answers to that are uncomfortable for us.

What are they fleeing from? Frogs legs?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Why cross the channel via criminal activity if you have a legitimate claim to asylum ? Just come normally?

Because you're desperate, and somebody offers you a way out.

 

[Sick Boy]

Because you're desperate, and somebody offers you a way out.

Let’s not forget that despite what the media like to push, Britain is definitely not a soft touch.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Let’s not forget that despite what the media like to push, Britain is definitely not a soft touch.

What we should always remember, is that desperate people should always be allowed the chance to say why they should be allowed to stay in this country. That's never the issue. The argument should always be where we set the bar for accepting they should stay, and what we do with the ones that we decide shouldn't. The right to ask for help should never be questioned.

 

[SBT]

As stated , there are many reasons for this.. why are people so keen to just keep loading these islands with people ... it's frankly weird and definitely not an election winner ...so you know

The idea that any country’s asylum policy should be tied to whether or not it’s an “election winner” shows how fucked this debate has become.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

They have many reasons for coming here. From speak the language to they already have family and/or friends here to unite with.

Now that's hilarious .Next you'll be saying that France is an underdeveloped European nation that fails to reach the required standard of living for these poor souls.