Derby points deduction (13 Viewers)

[lifeskyblue]

I fancy them to still manage to pull off survival as well.

Be very tough. Currently have managed 18points from 17 games but with deductions stand 18 points behind 4th bottom. Too tall an order I think …will need in the region of 50points from 29 games


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[fernandopartridge]

Why would you do that? You can’t just apply a punishment when you fancy it. If Derby stayed up from the 12 points then you’d have a relegated side arguing it should have been applied this year

really it should have been applied with Sheff Wed, but you can’t retrospectively apply it due to the relegation implications from last season

Because Derby are highly likely to be relegated this season is based on the current deduction, therefore a further one has no material impact

 

[fernandopartridge]

I fancy them to still manage to pull off survival as well.

Not a chance, they are 9 points adrift and haven't won in 7 games

 

[Danceswithhorses]

I fancy them to still manage to pull off survival as well.

So far, they've only won 3 games all season !

 

[COVKIDSNEVERQUIT]

So another 9 points deducted with a further 3 suspended.
Pretty much relegated now...just hope their new owners don't spend a fortune to buy the league, and bounce straight back.

Derby County: Championship bottom club docked nine more points for accounting rule breaches

Derby County are docked nine points for breaching accounting rules, leaving them facing the prospect of Championship relegation.

www.bbc.co.uk

Cheating bastards," 3 points suspended " what's that all about.

 

[Danceswithhorses]

Cheating bastards," 3 points suspended " what's that all about.

Further -3 points suspended based on them following an agreed budget plan for the rest of the season.
Bit of a joke really, as why would they overspend their budget for the rest of the season when they're practically relegated...meaningless 3 point 'suspension'

 

[OldBedrocker]

I assume Shrek will be gone shortly then?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I assume Shrek will be gone shortly then?

Don’t think so, only if any new owners want someone else

 

[Skyblueweeman]

3 responses telling me not a chance. I get it!

But they can pretty much play without pressure. I can see it happening.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

3 responses telling me not a chance. I get it!

But they can pretty much play without pressure. I can see it happening.

Sheff Weds were very close in the end too.

 

[Frostie]

Sheff Weds were very close in the end too.

6pts deducted is a bit different to 21pts deducted.

 

[skyblue025]

Eddie Howe kept Bournemouth up after being deducted 17 points. Leeds made the playoffs after being deducted 15 points so it can be done. I don't think Derby will though.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

Because Derby are highly likely to be relegated this season is based on the current deduction, therefore a further one has no material impact

Highly likely yes, but many teams have stayed up, including ourselves with a 10 point deduction, didn’t Rotherham stay up with a similar deduction with Robins?

wigan nearly stayed up 2 seasons ago aswell.

how would that be fair on the likes of Hull and Peterborough.

 

[Danceswithhorses]

Watch the Derby fans go mental, now that Reading have only been deducted 6 points (with further 6 suspended)

Reading: Championship club deducted six points for breaking EFL financial rules

Championship side Reading are deducted six points by the English Football League for breaching financial rules.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

Derby Might try to move Tom Lawrence on in January on a free to get rid of his 37k a week wages, I wonder why they have financial difficulties

 

[Danceswithhorses]

Holy shit...they owe alot of money...£29m to HMRC, £20m loan to MSD holdings, other football + trade creditors £15m

Derby County and connected firms owe £29m to HM Revenue and Customs

Derby County and the club's connected companies owe a combined £29.3m to HM Revenue and Customs (HMRC), according to figures released on Saturday.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[lord_garrincha]

Derby Might try to move Tom Lawrence on in January on a free to get rid of his 37k a week wages, I wonder why they have financial difficulties

Interesting... Might start a thread on this to sign him in January

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

Derby owe £83 million but the good news is agents are owed millions and are likely to see little of that.

This doesn’t include the £153 million owed to Morris.

What a shit storm

 

[Frostie]

Interesting... Might start a thread on this to sign him in January

You jest....

 

[Nick]

Got to laugh at the irony of the moaning that we can't afford the wages that players are on at clubs that are literally fucked for that exact reason.

 

[SkyBlueMatt]

You jest....

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The state of that Twitter comment. Complaining we haven't got an ambitious budget like Derby which is the exact reason they are in this position. If we offered Tom Lawrence £30k+ a week, O'Hare, Hamer, Viktor would need to match them. All of a sudden our wage bill grows by 4.5 million PA (based on if those three are on 10k currently).

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

He wants to pay 30k for a “back up to O’Hare” the first teamers wouldn’t want to match it, they’d want to double that

 

[Deleted member 9744]

The state of that Twitter comment. Complaining we haven't got an ambitious budget like Derby which is the exact reason they are in this position. If we offered Tom Lawrence £30k+ a week, O'Hare, Hamer, Viktor would need to match them. All of a sudden our wage bill grows by 4.5 million PA (based on if those three are on 10k currently).

If we paid that much to Lawrence we'd probably have to sell O'Hare, Hamer and Gyokeres.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

You jest....

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Yep please can we go out of business and have points dedications again. I really miss that

 

[SkyBlueMatt]

If we paid that much to Lawrence we'd probably have to sell O'Hare, Hamer and Gyokeres.

And Sky Blue Sam.

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

I would imagine for the money Lawrence is getting we could bring in three players of the same ability if not better.

 

[steve cooper]

It will be interesting to see what happens next year and the following year when many of these ridiculous contracts come to an end. Will the average Championship clubs continue paying sky high wages or will most of them have learned a lesson and start to live within their means? The trouble is that relegated clubs will continue to distort the market, and will have an even bigger advantage unless something is done about parachute payments.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

It will be interesting to see what happens next year and the following year when many of these ridiculous contracts come to an end. Will the average Championship clubs continue paying sky high wages or will most of them have learned a lesson and start to live within their means? The trouble is that relegated clubs will continue to distort the market, and will have an even bigger advantage unless something is done about parachute payments.

My money is on just going back to normal

 

[steve cooper]

This season and last has seen 3 clubs deducted points for financial irregularities. There is also talk of other clubs being investigated. Now that Pandora's box has been opened this is going to be a much more common occurance if the EFL apply any consistency. Clubs gambling all on getting to the Premier League are likely to see themselves going into League 1 if things go wrong for them.

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

This season and last has seen 3 clubs deducted points for financial irregularities. There is also talk of other clubs being investigated. Now that Pandora's box has been opened this is going to be a much more common occurance if the EFL apply any consistency. Clubs gambling all on getting to the Premier League are likely to see themselves going into League 1 if things go wrong for them.

The efl and consistency that would be a first.

 

[stay_up_skyblues]

You jest....

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How do these people even tie their shoelaces

 

[MalcSB]

There is talk about Derby being liquidated if their administrators can’t persuade HMRC to reduce their tax liability from £29 million to £7.5 million.

 

[Danceswithhorses]

There is talk about Derby being liquidated if their administrators can’t persuade HMRC to reduce their tax liability from £29 million to £7.5 million.

Many football clubs treat paying HMRC with total disregard, often running up big PAYE debts.
HMRC eventually got fed up with clubs threatening them with going bust (and HMRC getting £0), and offering a pittance in settlement, so i totally get why HMRC don't seem to want to 'settle' any more.
If HMRC do eventually 'settle' this by reducing the debt, it just gives other football clubs, the green light to screw over HMRC (and therefore taxpayers), which would be a very bad precedent....they should hold there ground, and i bet the money will be found by the new buyers.

 

[steve cooper]

I believe on liquidation HMRC are classed as unsecured creditors and are way down the list of who gets paid. Hence I suppose why they tend to accept less as opposed to nothing.

 

[Danceswithhorses]

I believe on liquidation HMRC are classed as unsecured creditors and are way down the list of who gets paid. Hence I suppose why they tend to accept less as opposed to nothing.

Yes, the 'football creditors rule' means football debts are given priority.
It has been around a while now, despite HMRC challenging it in court and losing the case.
I just don't like how clubs take the piss & seek to improve their cashflows, by not paying over sizeable PAYE debts.