Ballon d’Or (14 Viewers)
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The timeline it's over he's been the best player based on almost every metric, in a poor Barca team. Won Copa America as Pott was la Liga top scorer again and has the highest g/a of anyone in the world, who do you suggest should have took it over him?
That's in a 'poor' season for him. A genius and simply the greatest player of all time in my opinion
That's in a 'poor' season for him. A genius and simply the greatest player of all time in my opinion
Warthog
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I hope he’s on the wind up but I doubt it. Just clueless. He doesn’t rate o’hare either so he can’t even blame it on not following elite football.
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If for nothing else the Copa America would win him it. Always been the accusation that he hadn't done much (relatively) on the international scene, and he's answered that.
Warthog
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Even that accusation was bollocks. He carried Argentina to a World Cup final.
Exactly a huge achievement which is always overlooked, dragged them through very tough qualifying a few times as well
Skybluefaz
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I think it's going back a couple of years isn't it cos it was cancelled last year. Not really about what he's done at PSG.
Warthog
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No it’s about 2021. And he has been the best player in the world in 2021
Liquid Gold
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It's just a strikers award though. How many times in the last 20 years has another position won it?
Warthog
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Ah yes Messi the famous Striker. If that was the case lewandowski would have won it
jimmyhillsfanclub
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I think you have to go all the way back to 1990 & Lothar Matthaus for a defensive winner......
Warthog
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Winners in the last 20 years:
Messi
Modric
Ronaldo
Kaka
Cannavaro
Ronaldinho
Shevchenko
Nedved
Ronaldo
So 3 strikers out of 9 winners.
Evo1883
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Mascherano was their best player that world cup by the way
Warthog
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No Cannavaro in 2006. Messi and Ronaldo have rightly dominated since.
Even the one Modric won was undeserved.
Evo1883
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Close call really , lewa has no chance of international silverware and the copa America is no European championships is it .
Domestically he was phenomenal ... and let's be honest as Johan cruyff once said , its just a load of people voting for their mates.
Messi and barca won nothing of note domestically
Lewandowski probably should have won it imo
Domestically he was phenomenal ... and let's be honest as Johan cruyff once said , its just a load of people voting for their mates.
Messi and barca won nothing of note domestically
Lewandowski probably should have won it imo
Messi won the golden ball with motm award in every game bar the final if I remember correctly
Evo1883
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He was good in the group stage against Nigeria, Bosnia and Iran , went missing mostly from that point on .. I think he got 1 assist in the 4 other games if I remember
Messi won the ADIDAS award at the tournament, who also sponsored him at the time
Mascherano was superb from the off
jimmyhillsfanclub
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Yep....Cannavaro.
....Being from generation X, I stupidly tried to rely on my actual memory in which 1990 still shines bright......should have just googled it like everybody else....
Liquid Gold
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But it's all players that operate in the final third. Out of that list there are 2 in the last 20 years that play further back.
Evo1883
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Attacking players award basically .. as stated cannavaro won it, van dijk probably should have won it one year too
clint van damme
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They've created a best striker award! Lewandoski won it.
He was superb, my point is that Messi won FIFA player of the tournament and made the world cup final and people still throw shit at him for not performing in that world cup. Portugal were knocked out in the group but nobody mentions that when they talk about Ronaldos international accomplishments
Warthog
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Okay move them goalposts but anyway.
Which defenders do you think had better seasons than Messi or Ronaldo in any of their wins? There’s a reason attackers get paid the most as well, goals win games.
Van Dijk came close and was a deserved second.
Evo1883
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I genuinely don't care about messi or Ronaldo.. they've both won this trophy when they genuinley shouldn't have
Fair enough game of opinions and awards like this are basically there to create debate, obviously it depends on so many different conditions to be the 'best'. Which year and who should have won it over them?
Evo1883
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To be fair as stated , this award is basically mates , plus who pays who for their vote .
It's pretty shambolic and has been for well over a decade
Again it's just a sign of how superhuman cr7 and Messi have been. Ronaldo scored 60 goals that year and won the champions League hard not to give it him
Evo1883
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Point being , there's no reward for being a great defender anymore is there .
World Cup is worth more than the champions league too .
So he got it for goals..
Then if that's the case , lewandowski should have won it , he scored 54 goals which again is superhuman .. copa America is akin to the nations league at best as none of the best South American sides touch the best in Europe anymore
Warthog
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Yes I’m sure Messi has paid for all 7 of his ballon d’ors. It’s a good job Ronaldo has pals or he’d not have any either.
For such a shambolic award I am surprised you only have issue with one year. Even this year you admit it’s a close call
Evo1883
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I've also got issues with 2014 , which Ronaldo won btw .. it's a shambles of a trophy these days
Lewandowski , who should have won it last year but for covid .. should have won it this year imo
Warthog
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Which is what I said. You think this year was a close call and before that you have an issue with 2014 which again there is an argument for Ronaldo but I don’t have a strong opinion either way.
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