fatso
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Fuck me, let's all queue up for a vaccine to protect us against Alec Baldwin!!!
Doesn't matter if its a DNA mutated spike protein that's had zero long term testing, i demand to have it now!!!
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Doesn't matter if its a DNA mutated spike protein that's had zero long term testing, i demand to have it now!!!
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If it's something that can be discredited, why wouldn't you?
Of course, you're not linking anything for it to be discredited, so we can only assume it's the ramblings of a diseased mind...
Nick
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It's a nightmare trying to get an appointment and pretty dangerous. However when it comes to the booster and jabs they get in touch without me needing to hold for ages every morning. Funny that.
As it stands, I'd get more priority getting a booster than if I had a lump on my bollock.
fatso
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Does everyone with an alternative view to you automatically have to have a diseased mind?
Or does saying that make you feel better, in your own choice to have the vaccine?
Nick
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You literally just moaned because I pointed out the wording of an article.
This is the issue, people at extreme ends on either "side".
TomRad85
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Crack on with dying from my third jab according to you. If it happens I'll leave you my login details in my will. I just have 2 rules.. 1. Never like a post from O'Day 2. Don't get too involved in the covid threa... oh
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Anyway... this thread is getting populated by lunatics
It involves actually backing up what you say with evidence, and letting it be tested, rather than spouting disruptive, mindless bollocks, that could potentially have an adverse affct on the health on the country because you're a bit of a moron.
Put up, or shut up.
I'll explain to you critical thinking.
It involves actually backing up what you say with evidence, and letting it be tested, rather than spouting disruptive, mindless bollocks, that could potentially have an adverse affct on the health on the country because you're a bit of a moron.
Put up, or shut up.
duffer
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Yep, and I worry that people who try to play it down are either being selfish or deliberately missing the point.
The problem is that some people don't seem to see that that even very small proportions of very big numbers, are in themselves pretty big numbers.
Even if Omicron is less deadly than other variants, it's replicating far faster. Every indication is that there will be millions infected in a fairly short space of time.
Even if a small proportion of those need hospital treatment, that will be tens of thousands of extra admissions.
The NHS, for anyone who hasn't noticed, is already on its knees.
People are waiting hours for ambulances, and then even longer in ambulances outside hospitals to be admitted.
Anything any of us can do to reduce this pressure, is has to be sensible. By definition, no one plans to need an emergency ambulance, it could happen to any of us or our families.
And all of the evidence suggests that taking simple precautions now (wearing masks, social distancing where possible, vaccination and boosters), will mean less drastic steps later. And lives saved of course, from Covid itself and the myriad other medical emergencies that people can suffer from.
To me this is so incontrovertible and relatively trivial as to need no great discussion.
Why people need to make stuff up or try to find edge-case justifications for not taking reasonable precautions is completely beyond me. Is it stupidity, or is it selfishness, I'm really not quite sure...
ajsccfc
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We moved in the summer and it feels like our new doctors is a big upgrade, particularly with the delays in everything else at the moment. Got my daughter in same day, had a doctor call me back within an hour on a different occasion. All minor stuff rather than anything in urgent need, makes me hopeful that if anything were to occur we're in a good position. It's definitely a worry when you hear about cancer patients being sidelined, who knows what else is being missed in people not daring to brave a hospital visit too
Skybluefaz
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Did you get it done via the NHS website? Not having any luck myself?
Evo1883
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Yea it put me in a queue , was 3200 in the queue but went down very fast
Nick
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This is also part of the issue:
He clearly didn't say somebody has died from it, he said "with it".
This is a massive part of the issue. The scaremongering is fairly obvious and I doubt much of the media will ask questions before whipping things up.
Just enough information was given to get it going originally though.
"What parties at Downing Street?"
He clearly didn't say somebody has died from it, he said "with it".
This is a massive part of the issue. The scaremongering is fairly obvious and I doubt much of the media will ask questions before whipping things up.
Just enough information was given to get it going originally though.
"What parties at Downing Street?"
duffer
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That's bollocks. You find something and link to it, and if I'm wrong I'll put my hands up.
The truth is that you can't, because there really isn't anything. You are literally making stuff up or relying on twitter.
I wouldn't mind if it was football, but this is serious and dangerous because there are so many idiots like you who believe it.
So, again, you do your research. I've linked to some of mine.
You've made the claim, either be man enough to back it up, or accept that you might just be wrong on this.
duffer
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What issue, Nick?
Do you think there's a conspiracy here to overstate Covid impacts?
If so, to who's benefit is it?
chiefdave
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There was similar the other day. Modelling was done for various scenarios as so much is unknown with the variant but the media all went with the worse case scenario.
Nick
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The issue is how things are spun.
Johnson clearly and carefully said somebody had died "with" it, not from it or because of it. People are in hospital "with it".
Then within a couple of hours you get the headlines like that where a word changes from "with" to "from"... It's not a conspiracy to point that out.
It clearly benefits the govt at the minute to not have any attention on them. It also benefits the media, they get shit loads of content all day every day without much effort.
Skybluefaz
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Strange how Boris is the voice of truth now.
Nick
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Strange how Boris is the voice of truth now.
I am just comparing what he said and what's being reported to get people scared. The headlines say one thing, dig deep in the article and it says "with"
Pretty sure it was said like that to mislead anyway.
Skybluefaz
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No you are right, some of the newspapers are ghouls. It's what sells I suppose.I am just comparing what he said and what's being reported to get people scared. The headlines say one thing, dig deep in the article and it says "with"
Nick
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Exactly, a massive massive issue (not just with COVID).
People who have news apps installed will have received a notification to their phone with "Boris Johnson reveals first Briton has died from Omicron".
Will any of the media stop to actually question if it was from it? How old were they? Vaccinated or not? Any other conditions? Course they won't.
duffer
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Mate, I've got no time for this Government, but underplaying the seriousness of what we're facing isn't smart either.
We're in a bad place right now, with every indication that it's going to get worse if we aren't a bit more careful.
This government has consistently been behind the curve up until now, and the continual muddied messaging has likely cost thousands of lives, if not more.
I'm not sure that making things more opaque or suggesting media conspiracies is entirely helpful.
Worrying people into behaving slightly more sensibly may not be an entirely bad approach, fwiw, it certainly had an impact on the behaviour around AIDS in the 80s. Of course there was no Twitter or Facebook in those days to tell people that it was all a government myth.
Nick
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I'm by no means saying it's a myth or it's a GPS chip or anything like that.
This recent issue is very convenient for particular people though and it was very carefully worded to just say "somebody had died with it" which will now give the media a few days of content to get the clicks rather than anything about Downing Street raves.
It's not a conspiracy to suggest the media will benefit from it, it's pretty obvious that they can and will. Compare how much they would make from "Man dies from Cancer but had omicron in his system" (IF that was the case) to "Man dies from Omicron".
When somebody gets an alert to their phone saying "somebody has died from it", it's pretty misleading and a play on words and is really inciting fear.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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It is the same origins that the ´lockdown lovers´ tagline comes from. You will notice that in wider society and on here, there are some people that will just try and be as negative as possible when it comes to Covid. They sit on the side of caution whilst trying to make other people feel bad for trying to get on with their lives, even if they are still following the rules. So yes, even if they think Boris is a lying twat, when it comes to the pandemic, some things will just be accepted without question.
Sure, there are real anti-vaxxers, but the majority of people are pretty normal. Some of them are getting put in with the former because of people who want to be like them and fear the virus on an extremely unhealthy level. There might be reasons for it such as personal circumstances, but it is getting pretty tiring when you want to discuss the facts and it is difficult to do so without it becoming a shit show.
I posted a link showing how little Covid kills younger people, and everyone who usually looks at the negatives completely skirted it apart from one person who then said ´yeah but what about hospitalisations´. That is not a healthy mindset.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Because some people only want to pick and choose when to follow the science. There have been many examples of it throughout the pandemic, which is another reason why trust is being lost in those who hold power.
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The thread you linked gives the answer in part:
The 'restrictions' (in reality, nothing really) are to slow the spread. It turns out to be highly effective at spreading, which is what they're concerned about, in that even if it is indeed milder, if it takes over incredibly quickly, then that in itself could overwhelm the health service.
As such, they're also fast-tracking the booster programme, so as much protection as possible is there, so in an ideal world they don't have to introduce any noticable restrictions, as it can then spread with limited consequence. That last part, we wait to find out...
Much of it is pre-emptive. I'm not going to criticise them for that, because had they been more proactive *last* Christmas, we may well not have had such a long lockdown after it.
Nick
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It's already tearing through the UK though and no doubt it will ramp up.
jordan210
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So lots of Coulds and maybes to maybe save the NHS who in turn isn't saving anyone as Javid just cancelled anything non urgent.
South Africa have a 30% vaccine rate and appear to be doing better than us without a massive booster program or even vaccine program.
It appears the only winner hear is Pfizer's share holders.
jimmyhillsfanclub
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...and just to be clear.....I don't follow the bloke whos feed this is off.....I'm not even on twitter.....I just watched it from scrolling down from the graph @jordan210 posted.....