Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (13 Viewers)

[Skybluefaz]

Can't book a booster. Shambles.

 

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[Nick]

You talk of moving the goalposts, and you're furiously moving the goalposts because the evidence doesn't meet your pre-ordained views.

How have any goalposts been moved?

I said about deaths counted if they died within 28 days, you said that means the family friend you know won't be counted. I said no, they still count as well and showed why.

It's not an either or, it's an and.

 

[Nick]

You talk of moving the goalposts, and you're furiously moving the goalposts because the evidence doesn't meet your pre-ordained views. You talk about 28 days, I respond... and because the answer doesn't fit your narrative, you move the goalposts.

Again, if Covid is the primary or underlying cause of death, of course it should be registered! However, as you were talking about the 28 day figure



Then that is what I'm responding to.

Again, no goalposts have been moved.

It's an AND. They still get reported after 60 days if it's on the death certificate as well as if it's within 28 days of a positive test.

Just because I said they get reported if they were within 28 days of a positive test, I didn't say they don't after. That was you.

 

[fatso]

Do you believe that the vaccines work?

I can accept that they reduce the severity of a covid infection, but at what long term effect to your own immune system?
This is a new form of vaccine with zero long term trials.
In fact the ling term trials are being done now on the global population, and the results won't be known for between 2 and 5 years.

 

[ajsccfc]

Haven't had a GP do any of mine, two nurses and I assume at Stoneleigh a work experience kid who took about 30 seconds just so I could really feel the needle. Having done a total of 10 weeks' worth of blood thinning jabs for my wife I'm more qualified than that guy

Though I'm shitting it now because of the truth the MSM don't want you to know but I know but I won't tell you and apparently maybe the inevitable will happen perhaps you just got to look between the lines I won't show you

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I think that will depend on the variant (I do have a bit of time for some of the people suggesting media scaremongering around a new variant, that being said, it's a bit too early to say either way yet!). Another variant could be a good thing / bad thing / anything in-between. A variant with much milder symptoms that is highly transmissible and becomes the dominant strain could be good I think?

We've known about flu for like a 100 years and people still get yearly vaccinations for it, so I don't really understand your logic here?

Good on you for your booster, getting mine on Tuesday, going to have a beer first and make a day of it!

You just suck it all up sunshine.
As I've clearly stated, I'm waiting patiently for the inevitable shit to happen.
The only people living in denial are those stupid enough to have had 2 or more vaccines, who are shitting themselves that there might be a chance that I'm correct, in which case, your fucked.
Either way, sit tight, your in for a fun time!

Denial of the mass conspiracy that you still can’t share the details on?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I can accept that they reduce the severity of a covid infection, but at what long term effect to your own immune system?
This is a new form of vaccine with zero long term trials.
In fact the ling term trials are being done now on the global population, and the results won't be known for between 2 and 5 years.

They have been through the same clinical trials that any other medicine has. You really have no understanding of this at all

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I can accept that they reduce the severity of a covid infection, but at what long term effect to your own immune system?
This is a new form of vaccine with zero long term trials.
In fact the ling term trials are being done now on the global population, and the results won't be known for between 2 and 5 years.

So you'd be happy with getting the AZ vaccine?

 

[fatso]

So you'd be happy with getting the AZ vaccine?

I havnt had any vaccine, and as I've recently had covid, I don't see the need for a vaccine as I obviously now have a degree of natural immunity.
I'm certainly not worried about the Omicron variant as all reports are suggesting it's considerably weeker than the Delta variant.

 

[fatso]

They have been through the same clinical trials that any other medicine has. You really have no understanding of this at all

That's completely untrue.
But you keep sucking that BS up flower.

 

[Nick]

Interesting now the fear is ramped up.

"One person has died with Omicron"

"10 people in hospital with it"

Strange that it's just about scaring people and none of the media are saying "Actually, did they die from it or are they seriously ill FROM it?"

Wordplay at it's best.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I havnt had any vaccine, and as I've recently had covid, I don't see the need for a vaccine as I obviously now have a degree of natural immunity.
I'm certainly not worried about the Omicron variant as all reports are suggesting it's considerably weeker than the Delta variant.

Nice evasion. If your issue is new technology, then you'd have no problem with the AZ vaccine, surely?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Covid: First UK death recorded with Omicron variant

People should set aside the idea Omicron is a milder variant and get their booster jab, the PM says.

www.bbc.co.uk

One person in the UK has died with the Omicron variant of coronavirus, the prime minister has said.
Boris Johnson said the new variant was also resulting in hospital admissions and the "best thing" people could do was get their booster jab.
Speaking during a visit to a vaccination clinic in west London, he said people should set aside the idea Omicron was a milder version of the virus.

 

[stupot07]

The government has run out of Lateral Flow Test, what a shambles.

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[Nick]

Covid: First UK death recorded with Omicron variant

People should set aside the idea Omicron is a milder variant and get their booster jab, the PM says.

www.bbc.co.uk

Yeah, "with" it. If it's more infectious and some people don't even know they have it, of course people will die "with it".

Strange how Boris is the voice of truth now.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Yeah, "with" it. If it's more infectious and some people don't even know they have it, of course people will die "with it".

Strange how Boris is the voice of truth now.

It's tiresome, tedious, and pretty destructive really to consider that everyone's out to get you.

 

[Nick]

Stop being a conspiracy crank, eh.

How is that a conspiracy crank? It quite literally says they died "with it" and not "from it".

Why is Boris suddenly the voice of truth now his bullshit has been found out (again)?

Like I said, I am sure somebody would have been a "conspiracy crank" for saying senior people had links to dodgy PPE companies.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

How is that a conspiracy crank? It quite literally says they died "with it" and not "from it".

You're spending your time trying to rubbish everything, and acting a bit like a self-centred prick tbh.

 

[Skybluefaz]

Yeah, "with" it. If it's more infectious and some people don't even know they have it, of course people will die "with it".

Strange how Boris is the voice of truth now.

The whole with it rather than of it has been the same for the other variants from the start hasn't it?

Honestly don't think anyone would think Johnson is the voice of truth apart from a few lunatics.

 

[Nick]

You're spending your time trying to rubbish everything, and acting a bit like a self-centred prick tbh.

So point out how I am wrong? What does the article say?

You keep coming up with these shockingly bad insults and "conspiracy crank" but you aren't disproving what I have said? (the same as earlier with your examples).

 

[Skybluefaz]

Clarity and leadership...

 

[Nick]

You mean Boris was using wordplay to mislead?

Conspiracy Crank

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Honestly don't think anyone would think Johnson is the voice of truth apart from a few lunatics.

Of course they don't. I still fail to understand what, as it stands, we can't do and what, as it stands, is so hard to do for the sake of other people?

(Although tbf, taking a lateral flow test might be a little hard just atm...!)

 

[baldy]

Says it all when you realise Alec Baldwin's killed more people than this Moronic variant

 

[fatso]

Nice evasion. If your issue is new technology, then you'd have no problem with the AZ vaccine, surely?

No evasion at all, just the facts as they are.

 

[Nick]

Already being spun as somebody has died FROM Omicron....

What parties?

 

[TomRad85]

Be lying if I said I wasn't a little wary about getting a third jab in such a short space of time but booked it anyway so I can crack on. I'm sure the benefits far outweigh the risks.

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[Deleted member 5849]

No evasion at all, just the facts as they are.

So, you'd have had no issue whatsoever in getting thr AZ vaccine, if you hadn't had Covid?

 

[fatso]

Be lying if I said I wasn't a little wary about getting a third jab in such a short space of time but booked it anyway so I can crack on. I'm sure the benefits far outweigh the risks.

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So you can cracking on with what exactly?
What is not having a booster going to stop you doing?

 

[fatso]

So, you'd have had no issue whatsoever in getting thr AZ vaccine, if you hadn't had Covid?

I'd certainly be a lot less concerned that's for sure.

 

[duffer]

That's completely untrue.
But you keep sucking that BS up flower.

Without using Facebook or Twitter or some other made up bullshit, please link to something credible that shows holes in the trials that make the Covid vaccination unsafe.

I'm sick of dangerous, selfish lunatics making shit up on here, because they're scared of a simple vaccination that would make *everyone* safer.

Bluntly, you're the one sucking up the BS, but then what's worse is that you're spouting it back out.

Read this, and stop being such a fucking baby about a simple jab. Flower.

How Do We Know the COVID-19 Vaccine Won’t Have Long-Term Side Effects?

One of the reasons some people haven’t signed up to receive the COVID-19 vaccine is that they’re worried there might be unknown side effects that will show up months or years later. Although it’s true there are still a lot of things we’re learning about the vaccines — like how effective they are...

www.muhealth.org

 

[chiefdave]

That's incorrect. If COVID is mentioned on the death certificate it is still counted.

Think you're mixing up two sets of figures. The ones you see on the news every day are the 'deaths within 28 days of a positive test' so will include some people who didn't die of covid but with it while excluding some who died of covid but more than 28 days after their test.

There's then the ONS figures which go off cause of death listed on the death certificate.

We use the first set of figures as the second set take months to come out. Its not perfect but given the sample size is more than good enough to look at trends.

The latest ONS figures, released on 7th December, are the provisional figures for deaths up to 19th November, we can't wait that long for data before making any decisions. We've already got weeks of lag between infection > cases > hospitalisations > deaths.

 

[Nick]

Think you're mixing up two sets of figures. The ones you see on the news every day are the 'deaths within 28 days of a positive test' so will include some people who didn't die of covid but with it while excluding some who died of covid but more than 28 days after their test.

There's then the ONS figures which go off cause of death listed on the death certificate.

We use the first set of figures as the second set take months to come out. Its not perfect but given the sample size is more than good enough to look at trends.

The latest ONS figures, released on 7th December, are the provisional figures for deaths up to 19th November, we can't wait that long for data before making any decisions. We've already got weeks of lag between infection > cases > hospitalisations > deaths.

I was just saying it would still go down as a covid death if it was on the certificate.. it was literally the definition from the govt website I posted.

I wasn't saying when it would be one, just that it would be in that example.

 

[chiefdave]

That's strange, why not just get nurses in on a low wage while they carry on their GP duties? I assume mine were sat at home behind a phone.

You can get the Flu Jab in Tesco for example, surely a GP has better things to be doing?

My surgery has 8 doctors and 2 nurses! Also 2 of my 3 covid jabs have been weekends so nice bit of overtime for the doctors.

But really its just another thing where covid has highlighted how the system isn't really fit for purpose. Thinks like phone & video appointments should have been an option years ago but we've still got surgeries who don't have the right technologies in place to manage the change nearly 2 years into the pandemic.

IMO we also need to start pushing things down the chain to free up GPs time. Medicine has advanced so much in recent years there's loads of things you should be able to get sorted by popping into a chemist rather than needing a doctors appointment.

 

[Nick]

My surgery has 8 doctors and 2 nurses! Also 2 of my 3 covid jabs have been weekends so nice bit of overtime for the doctors.

But really its just another thing where covid has highlighted how the system isn't really fit for purpose. Thinks like phone & video appointments should have been an option years ago but we've still got surgeries who don't have the right technologies in place to manage the change nearly 2 years into the pandemic.

IMO we also need to start pushing things down the chain to free up GPs time. Medicine has advanced so much in recent years there's loads of things you should be able to get sorted by popping into a chemist rather than needing a doctors appointment.

Guess it depends if they actually want things to change or not. It wouldn't be hard for my surgery to have online booking for appointments rather than making people wait for 40 minutes at 8am trying to get an appointment.

Makes you wonder why they don't.