Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (87 Viewers)

[ajsccfc]

Obviously this is just anecdotal but while I've heard of far more people getting it than ever in the last month or so I've heard no horror stories along with it, whereas by comparison last year there were two people in my team at work alone who had to go to hospital because of it. Fingers crossed

 

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[chiefdave]

Yeah but what will the threshold for that be while people are having to test so much?

Can only gusss but given the point has always been not to overwhelm the NHS then the threshold will be when we can go about daily life without a risk of the NHS not being able to cope with the number of hospitalisations that generates.

While I dislike the 'its just like the flu' I suspect that point will occur when we reach numbers similar to flu however in the long term even that will require investment in the NHS as in its current state year in year out we see a winter crisis just dealing with flu itself.

There's never been a pandemic in history that has gone on for ever has there?

 

[Sick Boy]

…until the world has been vaccinated to the same extent as Europe it won’t be over.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

…until the world has been vaccinated to the same extent as Europe it won’t be over.

Let's be honest, it's just Africa that's miles behind and it's no secret why that is

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

The point of vaccines wasn't to end COVID just limit the impact of it.

The end comes when Covid ceases to have a meaningful impact on your everyday life. Seems like it’s working in the only place in the world with a 100% vaccination rate!

The vaccine was sold as the end, so the narrative keeps changing. There isn't really any consistency which just fuels skepticism.

How has covid got to Antarctica anyway? I severely doubt a penguin swam from Cape Town carrying it.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

…until the world has been vaccinated to the same extent as Europe it won’t be over.

Are Africa having a massive problem with deaths?

Even if it does get vaccinated to the same extent as Europe, I'm not sure how anyone can truly believe it'll be over given the patterns so far.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The vaccine was sold as the end, so the narrative keeps changing. There isn't really any consistency which just fuels skepticism.

How has covid got to Antarctica anyway? I severely doubt a penguin swam from Cape Town carrying it.

Who claimed it could prevent all infection?

 

[shmmeee]

The vaccine was sold as the end, so the narrative keeps changing. There isn't really any consistency which just fuels skepticism.

How has covid got to Antarctica anyway? I severely doubt a penguin swam from Cape Town carrying it.

It says in the article you linked that it came in when a new team arrived.

Why do you expect the science on a brand new disease to be “consistent”? Everyone involved has been very clear on the unknowns. The vaccine is the end, that’s why we aren’t locked down right now. The restrictions that do exist are because we aren’t out of the woods yet. There’s still unknowns with omicron though the initial signs look good, and there’s still a good chunk of the population that need boosting for the vaccine to be effective against it.

Look at the direction of travel, we’ve got antivirals coming online, we’ve got effective vaccines, we’ve got new dominant strains being weaker. I really don’t get how you can be down about this.

 

[shmmeee]

Who claimed it could prevent all infection?

It’s just the latest tin foil hat stuff. Seeing it all over Twitter “what’s the point of it doesn’t stop you catching it or spreading it?” When it’s blatantly obvious to anyone not either nuts or lying that it severely reduced its impact.

 

[Saddlebrains]

Omicron is natures vaccine.

Mutated into a much more contagious, however much less serious illness. See Spanish flu, that was 2 years as have been previous pandemics.

We're nearly there, i really do think so

 

[Sick Boy]

Are Africa having a massive problem with deaths?

Even if it does get vaccinated to the same extent as Europe, I'm not sure how anyone can truly believe it'll be over given the patterns so far.

I’d imagine that most COVID infections and deaths go unreported due to limited healthcare facilities.

The pandemic will be over one day but not until it’s considered from a global perspective.

 

[clint van damme]

Omicron is natures vaccine.

Mutated into a much more contagious, however much less serious illness. See Spanish flu, that was 2 years as have been previous pandemics.

We're nearly there, i really do think so

The Spanish flu pandemic didn't end after 2 years it peaked after 2 years. I'm not sure you can put an arbitrary time scale on these things.

And it didn't mutate into something less serious, something akin to herd immunity was reached due to it ripping through the world's population but there were a shocking number of deaths. That isn't something we should be trying to emulate.

 

[Skybluefaz]

This popped up on twitter the other day, made me smile in relation to this thread.

 

[Kneeza]

As others have said, it, C19, is mutating itself steadily into a form which is totally acceptable to the human race, just as so many other initially potentially deadly coronaviruses have done over the years, and are still infecting us with head-colds many years after they lost their original potency.
There will be others, but this one is steadily dwindling into a very infectious, yet very non-agressive (potency wise) version of itself.
It's very nearly time to 'just get on with life'.

 

[Sick Boy]

As others have said, it, C19, is mutating itself steadily into a form which is totally acceptable to the human race, just as so many other initially potentially deadly coronaviruses have done over the years, and are still infecting us with head-colds many years after they lost their original potency.
There will be others, but this one is steadily dwindling into a very infectious, yet very non-agressive (potency wise) version of itself.
It's very nearly time to 'just get on with life'.

It’s almost like no lessons have been learnt from complacency over the previous 2 years….

 

[Nick]

It’s almost like no lessons have been learnt from complacency over the previous 2 years….

It's not really being complacent though is it?

People are always going to die with traces of it in their system, especially over winter. People are always going to test positive for it.

Again, the psychology of testing and having COVID rather than a cold will be making this so much worse.

Option 1. "Get some rest, drink plenty of fluids and have a paracetamol and be back on your feet in a couple of days"
Option 2. "You have COVID, it's killing thousands worldwide every day, hundreds of thousands of people have it. Don't see your Gran else you will kill her"

 

[CCFCSteve]

It says in the article you linked that it came in when a new team arrived.

Why do you expect the science on a brand new disease to be “consistent”? Everyone involved has been very clear on the unknowns. The vaccine is the end, that’s why we aren’t locked down right now. The restrictions that do exist are because we aren’t out of the woods yet. There’s still unknowns with omicron though the initial signs look good, and there’s still a good chunk of the population that need boosting for the vaccine to be effective against it.

Look at the direction of travel, we’ve got antivirals coming online, we’ve got effective vaccines, we’ve got new dominant strains being weaker. I really don’t get how you can be down about this.

Exactly. Throw in some natural immunity, which might not stop you catching a new variant but looks like it will hopefully keep severe infections down (certainly looking at South Africa figures), it feels like the world is in a far better place than a year ago

Never like to speak too soon with Covid though !

 

[Skybluefaz]

It’s almost like no lessons have been learnt from complacency over the previous 2 years….

Covid will become like common cold says AstraZeneca vaccine creator

Dame Sarah revealed she is struggling to get funding to help prevent future pandemics

www.standard.co.uk

I don't think it's complacency, we've been told that this is where it will end up but was just a matter of time.

 

[Sick Boy]

It's not really being complacent though is it?

People are always going to die with traces of it in their system, especially over winter. People are always going to test positive for it.

Again, the psychology of testing and having COVID rather than a cold will be making this so much worse.

Option 1. "Get some rest, drink plenty of fluids and have a paracetamol and be back on your feet in a couple of days"
Option 2. "You have COVID, it's killing thousands worldwide every day, hundreds of thousands of people have it. Don't see your Gran else you will kill her"

I’m not talking about the situation in the UK. It’s a global pandemic, which seems to be difficult for some to grasp because they’re so wrapped up in themselves.

 

[clint van damme]

Yeah, it’s a shame you didn’t get the booster in time Evo. Anecdotal but I did and swerved at symptoms (had similar symptoms to you first time I caught it though)

Get well soon


Exactly. Throw in some natural immunity, which might not stop you catching a new variant but looks like it will hopefully keep severe infections down (certainly looking at South Africa figures), it feels like the world is in a far better place than a year ago

Never like to speak too soon with Covid though !

My wife has had the booster and she's ill as fuck! Daughter has also had it and she's not been too bad.

Thi k you're right that we're in a better place than a year ago but think sickboy is also right, let's not be complacent.

 

[Nick]

I’m not talking about the situation in the UK. It’s a global pandemic, which seems to be difficult for some to grasp because they’re so wrapped up in themselves.

What's the location got to do with it?

It looks to be taking over as the primary strain with much less severe symptoms.

 

[Sick Boy]

What's the location got to do with it?

It looks to be taking over as the primary strain with much less severe symptoms.

Christ.

 

[CCFCSteve]

My wife has had the booster and she's ill as fuck! Daughter has also had it and she's not been too bad.

Thi k you're right that we're in a better place than a year ago but think sickboy is also right, let's not be complacent.

Yeah, I edited my post as I thought after posting it might well have been the fact that I had Covid back in July as well as booster. Who knows.

 

[Kneeza]

I'm far from complacent.
I have stuck the letter of the 'law' for the last two years. Had all my jabs. Isolated whenever required to, to an almost obsessive degree.
My wife is immuno-compromised (bronchial issues since young adulthood), but I have no known underlying issues. However, I have done literally everything I can to protect her. But, it obviously wasn't enough, and she caught it before Christmas. Her symptoms, though were relatively mild even given her issues, and she suffered what could be described as a heavy cold. When I picked it up from her, as I inevitably would as I wasn't dancing around the issue for 10 days so just allowed myself to be infected, I had a very mild runny nose type of headcold.
Our antibody 'banks' are now pretty much as highly-stocked as they can be, yet we still maintain all the prescribed hygiene requirements, and will do until some plum in 'government' finally takes the brakes off.
No, I'm not complacent. Just realistic.

 

[Nick]

Christ.

How does the location make a difference?

 

[Sick Boy]

How does the location make a difference?

Due to the large differences in access to vaccines and basic healthcare facilities.

 

[Grendel]

Due to the large differences in access to vaccines and basic healthcare facilities.

Vaccine hesitancy is huge across much of Africa even the WHO set much lower targets for African countries. Supplies have been arriving in very large quantities.

 

[Nick]

Due to the large differences in access to vaccines and basic healthcare facilities.

It's almost as if the UK and USA were the first places to get it and it didn't start in a country with very low vaccination rates.

Again, it's never going to be zero cases and zero deaths with it or from it.

 

[Sick Boy]

Vaccine hesitancy is huge across much of Africa even the WHO set much lower targets for African countries. Supplies have been arriving in very large quantities.

Covid-19 vaccinations: African nations miss WHO target

Most African countries are behind with their Covid vaccinations and have now missed two global targets.

www.bbc.com

 

[clint van damme]

Again, it's never going to be zero cases and zero deaths with it or from it.

You can't say that for sure. I've already given you examples of diseases that have died out.

 

[Sick Boy]

You can't say that for sure. I've already given you examples of diseases that have died out.

It’s amazing how so many people on here become experts in everything very quickly.

 

[Nick]

You can't say that for sure. I've already given you examples of diseases that have died out.

It depends on testing and what defines it though, surely?

Fingers crossed it does hopefully die out but if we always test everybody who has no symptoms or just a headache then it's likely there will be some trace of something in them.

It's going to be a long wait if it's a case of sitting and waiting for zero cases and zero deaths of anybody who has traces of it in their system.

 

[Grendel]

Covid-19 vaccinations: African nations miss WHO target

Most African countries are behind with their Covid vaccinations and have now missed two global targets.

www.bbc.com

But vaccines are arriving and there issues.

Arrival of 1bn vaccine doses won’t solve Africa’s Covid crisis, experts say | Global development | The Guardian

Concerns over equipment shortages, bottlenecks and hesitancy on continent with 7.5% vaccine coverage

amp.theguardian.com

However hospitalisation versus rapid infection rise is looking optimistic

 

[clint van damme]

It depends on testing and what defines it though, surely?

Fingers crossed it does hopefully die out but if we always test everybody who has no symptoms or just a headache then it's likely there will be some trace of something in them.

It's going to be a long wait if it's a case of sitting and waiting for zero cases and zero deaths of anybody who has traces of it in their system.

I don't think testing works like that. If you haven't got it it won't show up. Especially in a PCR test.

 

[SBT]

Omicron is natures vaccine.

Mutated into a much more contagious, however much less serious illness. See Spanish flu, that was 2 years as have been previous pandemics.

We're nearly there, i really do think so

Medicine - who needs it, right?