Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (91 Viewers)

[Ccfcisparks]

Yeah, that's right. The first restrictions came in about two months ago, but we have been under full lockdown for about a month now. Not even my football team is training.

It's definitely been the hardest one, and probably contributes to me having a different view to some on here. I wouldn't wish it on anybody.

Where do you live Earlsdon

 

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[jimmyhillsfanclub]

Is Covid as transmissible in asymptomatic people as symptomatic?

Yes

...well, actually its NO.

Viral load & shedding are lower in asymptomatic cases & viral clearance is a lot quicker....... so NO is the correct answer. HTH.

 

[MusicDating]

Britain got it wrong on Covid: long lockdown did more harm than good, says scientist

A new book outlines the mistakes and missteps that made UK pandemic worse

www.theguardian.com

“Lockdowns aren’t a public health policy. They signify a failure of public health policy,”

 

[jordan210]

Kier Starmer has tested positive again. He must be on some sort of record for the amount of time he has tested positive

 

[Liquid Gold]

Was it the German health minister that said something along the lines of "this winter you will recover from covid or die from it, your best chance of surviving is with a vaccine".

Essentially saying everybody is going to get it. I think given the rates we're seeing at the moment and the likely multiples of asymptomatic not reporting then that is proving to be true.

Given that you're most infectious from 2 days before your symptoms and how easily this is passed on I don't know if 10 day isolation periods is the correct response. We're not dealing with the same unknown virus we were 2 years ago now and we have a significant protection in the vaccine.

 

[Grendel]

Kier Starmer has tested positive again. He must be on some sort of record for the amount of time he has tested positive

Its the only positive rating he’s ever achieved

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I totally disagree. If you test positive you should be isolating in my view.
You're obviously another one advocating let rip.
I'm actually astonished by the lack of empathy by some on this forum.

Not true at all, I decided to spend Christmas alone because I saw that it would be a mass infection event. It is already ripping through the population and especially in schools where the effect on children is the least I don’t see why we’re making them stay home if they aren’t ill.

Again, we are at 2 deaths per million people.

 

[Deleted member 9744]

Where's the empathy for the the folks who've had their surgery or screening or scans cancelled again cos 15% of nhs staff are sat at home?
Where's the empathy for the small business who's been swimming against the tide for 2 years and now is suffering further due to this addiction to asymptomatic testing forcing staff to sit on their arse at home while the business goes down the shitter?
Where's the empathy for those waiting even longer for a social care visit or for a police officer to attend or for an ambulance?

I know someone who had a 41 hour wait in A&E over new year while they tried to find some staff who could help section her brother!

At this point, Lack of staff in work is a bigger threat to people's health, wealth and wellbeing than the now dominant, far milder Omicron strain that is already so endemic in the population.

I have total empathy for those people and that is why we need to do all we can to reduce the incidence of the virus. The last thing sick people who go into hospital need is to catch covid from the people who are treating them. The NHS will not be able to effectively tackle the backlog of people waiting for operations and the like until the population as a whole do the right thing and act in a responsible manner to reduce the virus. And that means taking the vaccine, wearing masks where appropriate and isolating when you test positive. It's as simple as that.

And as for businesses the same considerations apply. Most will only really be able to prosper once the virus is under control. So the longer people go around mixing without the vaccine and even when positive the longer it will take to get back to normal.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I have total empathy for those people and that is why we need to do all we can to reduce the incidence of the virus. The last thing sick people who go into hospital need is to catch covid from the people who are treating them. The NHS will not be able to effectively tackle the backlog of people waiting for operations and the like until the population as a whole do the right thing and act in a responsible manner to reduce the virus. And that means taking the vaccine, wearing masks where appropriate and isolating when you test positive. It's as simple as that.

And as for businesses the same considerations apply. Most will only really be able to prosper once the virus is under control. So the longer people go around mixing without the vaccine and even when positive the longer it will take to get back to normal.

Except we can’t force the vaccine onto people and if we even just implement vaccine passports there will be comparisons to fascism. I have done my bit and got 3 jabs in a year but because some twat believes TikTok science and doesn’t want one then I have to stay at home even when I’m not ill?

 

[Deleted member 9744]

Except we can’t force the vaccine onto people and if we even just implement vaccine passports there will be comparisons to fascism. I have done my bit and got 3 jabs in a year but because some twat believes TikTok science and doesn’t want one then I have to stay at home even when I’m not ill?

You have done part of your bit. Well done for having had the vaccine, but I am sorry no it doesn't end there. I wish it was the case as much as you do. If you are supposed to isolate do so because you can still transmit the virus and if people don't isolate in such circumstances this will just gone on.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

You have done part of your bit. Well done for having had the vaccine, but I am sorry no it doesn't end there. I wish it was the case as much as you do. If you are supposed to isolate do so because you can still transmit the virus and if people don't isolate in such circumstances this will just gone on.

I have followed whatever the rules are from the start even if I disagree with them. As said before, we were 3 days away from being allowed a normal wedding in the summer, so postponed by a week. Then of course someone dropped dead in the intervening week because Boris let tens of thousands slobber over each other at Wembley but wouldn’t let 50 vaccinated and negatively tested people go to a reception.

And I also get everyone here has their own personal and upsetting experiences from the last 2 years. My point is these rules are the difference between businesses being able to operate or not, or people being able to access education. How much longer are we going to ruin things for a generation that is least affected by the virus?

2 deaths per million. Two.

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

I have total empathy for those people and that is why we need to do all we can to reduce the incidence of the virus. The last thing sick people who go into hospital need is to catch covid from the people who are treating them. The NHS will not be able to effectively tackle the backlog of people waiting for operations and the like until the population as a whole do the right thing and act in a responsible manner to reduce the virus. And that means taking the vaccine, wearing masks where appropriate and isolating when you test positive. It's as simple as that.

And as for businesses the same considerations apply. Most will only really be able to prosper once the virus is under control. So the longer people go around mixing without the vaccine and even when positive the longer it will take to get back to normal.

Hospitals are already super-spreaders.....always have been. Approximately 30-40% of covid cases in hospital are either incidental or were contracted in hospital.
The NHS is already "not effectively tackling" both covid & non-covid cases due to the amount of staff off isolating.
Many small businesses won't be able to "prosper when its under control" because they'll already be dead.

The idea of limiting the spread of this mild strain NOW by isolating asymptomatic cases is pointless.....its already rife, endemic....that horse has well & truly bolted.. omicron appears to be the exit wave....yet we're fucking ourselves for 2 deaths per million.

 

[clint van damme]

Not true at all, I decided to spend Christmas alone because I saw that it would be a mass infection event. It is already ripping through the population and especially in schools where the effect on children is the least I don’t see why we’re making them stay home if they aren’t ill.

Again, we are at 2 deaths per million people.

I've said I have Total sympathy for the issues surrounding schools. Both in terms of the effect its having on children and the difficulties it causes parents.
Though still worth noting there are 70k children with long covid so it's not totally harmless to children.

 

[Nick]

I have total empathy for those people and that is why we need to do all we can to reduce the incidence of the virus. The last thing sick people who go into hospital need is to catch covid from the people who are treating them. The NHS will not be able to effectively tackle the backlog of people waiting for operations and the like until the population as a whole do the right thing and act in a responsible manner to reduce the virus. And that means taking the vaccine, wearing masks where appropriate and isolating when you test positive. It's as simple as that.

And as for businesses the same considerations apply. Most will only really be able to prosper once the virus is under control. So the longer people go around mixing without the vaccine and even when positive the longer it will take to get back to normal.

The NHS can't tackle anything when they have staff at home with nothing wrong with them. Businesses won't be around to prosper.

Do you really think there is no spread of Omicron in hospitals or people getting there?

Omicron isn't the old variant. That needs to be realised.

That post is like something Boris would say in a press conference. "Boost, isolate, wear masks and save the UK"

 

[Deleted member 9744]

Hospitals are already super-spreaders.....always have been. Approximately 30-40% of covid cases in hospital are either incidental or were contracted in hospital.
The NHS is already "not effectively tackling" both covid & non-covid cases due to the amount of staff off isolating.
Many small businesses won't be able to "prosper when its under control" because they'll already be dead.

The idea of limiting the spread of this mild strain NOW is pointless.....its already rife, endemic....that horse has well & truly bolted.. omicron appears to be the exit wave....yet we're fucking ourselves for 2 deaths per million.

Well we need to stop hospitals being super spreaders. People are generally sick when they go to hospital so they need to be protected.

No the NHS is not effectively tackling things at the moment. That is because of decades of underfunding and people not taking covid seriously.

On businesses you are right some will die because of the restrictions. That is very sad but the solution is to tackle covid properly.

On the numbers we don't yet know what the impact of this rate of infections will be on serious illness and death rates.

 

[Liquid Gold]

The chances of serious complication and death seems to be absolutely miniscule with Omicron if you have taken the necessary precautions and been vaccinated.

If you have done that I don't see why further restrictions should be imposed upon you to protect the lazy, incompetent and gullible anti-vaxxers.

I know it appears crass to be comparing to flu after what we've been through in the last two years but it appears this variant is no more deadly than a flu so should be treated as such. This is after me arguing that we should be cautious and introduce restrictions until we have more data a few weeks ago.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I've said I have Total sympathy for the issues surrounding schools. Both in terms of the effect its having on children and the difficulties it causes parents.
Though still worth noting there are 70k children with long covid so it's not totally harmless to children.

Statistically though, they are the least likely to fall ill and at secondary have all had the chance to be vaccinated now which they weren’t before last term. The mental health figures for that age group are appalling and really continuing the rules for them will cause more harm than good.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Well we need to stop hospitals being super spreaders. People are generally sick when they go to hospital so they need to be protected.

No the NHS is not effectively tackling things at the moment. That is because of decades of underfunding and people not taking covid seriously.

On businesses you are right some will die because of the restrictions. That is very sad but the solution is to tackle covid properly.

On the numbers we don't yet know what the impact of this rate of infections will be on serious illness and death rates.

Tell that to someone who’s lost their business that it was for the greater good. Genuinely

 

[Nick]

I know it appears crass to be comparing to flu after what we've been through in the last two years but it appears this variant is no more deadly than a flu so should be treated as such.

That's the thing, it's a completely different illness to 2 years ago.

There's no point people acting like it's the same.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Colds and flu are types of coronavirus so it’s not really incredible is it.

Flu is not a coronavirus it is an influenza virus

 

[Deleted member 9744]

The NHS can't tackle anything when they have staff at home with nothing wrong with them.

Do you really think there is no spread of Omicron in hospitals or people getting there?

Omicron isn't the old variant.

That post is like something Boris would say in a press conference. "Boost, isolate, wear masks and save the UK"

Of course there is a spread of the virus in hospitals. That is what we needs to stop. That is why the Royal Free Hospital has just limited visitors for example.

 

[Deleted member 9744]

Tell that to someone who’s lost their business that it was for the greater good. Genuinely

Where did I say that? I am saying they will have lost their business because people did not take action to prevent the virus spreading and getting out of control.

 

[Nick]

Well we need to stop hospitals being super spreaders. People are generally sick when they go to hospital so they need to be protected.

No the NHS is not effectively tackling things at the moment. That is because of decades of underfunding and people not taking covid seriously.

On businesses you are right some will die because of the restrictions. That is very sad but the solution is to tackle covid properly.

On the numbers we don't yet know what the impact of this rate of infections will be on serious illness and death rates.

It's very sad that people are quite happy to see loads of businesses and people die around them because of their obsession with COVID.

The NHS is currently getting hammered by staff absence, it isn't the only one either.

 

[jordan210]

Of course there is a spread of the virus in hospitals. That is what we needs to stop. That is why the Royal Free Hospital has just limited visitors for example.

How many times has the NHS failed to stop norovirus spreading around hospitals. How are you going to stop a virus spreading around a hospital ?

 

[Nick]

Where did I say that? I am saying they will have lost their business because people did not take action to prevent the virus spreading and getting out of control.

Yeah, tell them that when their staff are sat at home with literally nothing wrong with them.

Omicron is not the same as what was about at the start. It isn't going to see people falling dead in the street.

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

Where did I say that? I am saying they will have lost their business because people did not take action to prevent the virus spreading and getting out of control.

Well, actually, in many cases it will be the exact reverse of that......businesses dying because staff did take action.....by sitting at home, symptomless for 10 days while the business gurgled down the pan....

 

[Nick]

How many times has the NHS failed to stop norovirus spreading around hospitals. How are you going to stop a virus spreading around a hospital ?

If you tell all the staff to say at home, you can't admit anybody. Nobody in hospital gets it

 

[jordan210]

If you tell all the staff to say at home, you can't admit anybody. Nobody in hospital gets it

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Where did I say that? I am saying they will have lost their business because people did not take action to prevent the virus spreading and getting out of control.

That still offers little consolation to the people affected when the government fails to compensate them for forced staff isolation and loss of trade.

 

[Deleted member 9744]

How many times has the NHS failed to stop norovirus spreading around hospitals. How are you going to stop a virus spreading around a hospital ?

I am speechless. You clearly have no idea how much resource hospitals put into doing exactly that. Otherwise hospitals would be very unsafe.

 

[Deleted member 9744]

That still offers little consolation to the people affected when the government fails to compensate them for forced staff isolation and loss of trade.

Well there's the answer. Government support.

 

[Deleted member 9744]

It's very sad that people are quite happy to see loads of businesses and people die around them because of their obsession with COVID.

The NHS is currently getting hammered by staff absence, it isn't the only one either.

I am not happy to see businesses and people die. In fact the very opposite.

 

[clint van damme]

It's very sad that people are quite happy to see loads of businesses and people die around them because of their obsession with COVID.

The NHS is currently getting hammered by staff absence, it isn't the only one either.

Fuck me, the irony of you saying people are happy to see people die!
I'm surprised you've got the brass neck to post it!

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Well there's the answer. Government support.

The government also sets the isolation rules. Sorry but if being fully vaccinated isn’t enough then what’s the point in us having given out 100 million jabs?

 

[Nick]

Fuck me, the irony of you saying people are happy to see people die!
I'm surprised you've got the brass neck to post it!

Death was a thing before COVID. It is never, ever going to be stopped is it? The same with illness.

I'm not happy to see anybody die, you have to look at it realistically though sometimes.

You genuinely can't see the issues caused by isolation compared to the actual illness.