Do you want to discuss boring politics? (30 Viewers)

[David O'Day]

no one cares about parties

 

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[David O'Day]

If the queen had had a group hug at Phil the Greeks funeral it wouldn't have been culpable for anyone dying, but she didn't, its called leading by example.

Ignore the yokel weirdo

 

[Frostie]

If the queen had had a group hug at Phil the Greeks funeral it wouldn't have been culpable for anyone dying, but she didn't, its called leading by example.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

When did they actually do any work? I remember Ministers using the nonsense phrase 'we're working around the clock' a lot but clearly they really weren't.

In their speak they were.

In Downing Street the party work never ends

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

People'll see him as Mr Eat Out to Help Out and furlough man, missing the fact that ideologically he's to the right of Thatcher!

Quite possibly, but they'd soon figure that out when he started making massive cuts to service in order to facilitate slashing business taxes to 'stimulate investment'

It's really all about the timing of bringing in the new leader for the Tories. Give it long enough to settle down so people forget the shitshow under Johnson but not long enough for them to realise the new person is as idiot trying the same old shit that hasn't worked before.

Given that the fixed term rule seems to mean nothing I'd expect another GE ina year of so of the new incumbnt so they can reset the cycle and give themselves another 5 years. They know there's no appetite for Starmer.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Rishi Sunak makes Ed Milliband look cool.

But he's rich and posh so that makes it OK.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Agreed. That’s what I was saying about political gravity for want of a better phrase. What’s their differentiator ?!
Starmers played the quite dull but steady line well (much to the far lefts annoyance, however, it was exactly what was needed after Corbyn and against Johnson - perceived competence and trust)

You'd think so but given everything that has gone on under Johnson you'd expect everyone but the most ardent Tory who would forgive them if they came round and murdered their whole family to be flocking to him. They're not. Even Labour supporters are largely lukewarm to him.

Starmer should have all the gravitas needed to be seen as a much better option. And the sad thing is, he would be if he had a blue tie on instead of a red one.

 

[Sick Boy]

But he's rich and posh so that makes it OK.

Did you not see him serving food in his shirt and tie? He’s clearly a man of the people - I bet he can eat a sandwich without pulling a face as well.

 

[Liquid Gold]

5'8" Starmer vs 5'5" Sunak

Not exactly a battle of the titans

 

[Nick]

5'8" Starmer vs 5'5" Sunak

Not exactly a battle of the titans

Would be funny if they had a scrap though?

 

[Liquid Gold]

Would be funny if they had a scrap though?

I'm not sure midget wrestling is ok anymore

 

[chiefdave]

It's just like the Council's Investigations.

"They did break the rules but the rules were wrong".

That was an all time classic, found to have broken the rules so they changed the rules

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

Imagine my surprise to learn that the Sue Gray enquiry is going to be a complete whitewash.

Ahh you mean Lady Gray in next years honours list, I am sure once she finishes the white washing she will be well rewarded.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

5'8" Starmer vs 5'5" Sunak

Not exactly a battle of the titans

Supposedly this is now the biggest 'glass ceiling' in business.

Unfortunately they can't reach high enough to break it.


*I say 'they'. I'm only 5'8'' myself.

 

[skybluetony176]

Almost the whole country thinks he's a twat now.

We did try and warn you.

Boris Johnson in turns out to be Boris Johnson shocker.

 

[skybluetony176]

Rishi Sunak makes Ed Milliband look Tall.

Corrected for you.

 

[fernandopartridge]

I think Sunak might suffer from the Miliband problem of being a wonky guy who tries to be slick with PR advisors and ends up just coming across as weird.

Either way I can see both Brexiters and the far left staying home and the lowest turnout we’ve seen for a while.

"far left" lol

 

[fernandopartridge]

I mean really, the UK is a deeply unserious country with a silly media. The parties are scandalous but they are nothing on the level of some of the absolutely blatant corruption of the PPE contracts. It's embarrassing really.

 

[David O'Day]

The thing about Sunak is it also really easy to attack him for the parties as well as he lives in the same building

 

[David O'Day]

I mean really, the UK is a deeply unserious country with a silly media. The parties are scandalous but they are nothing on the level of some of the absolutely blatant corruption of the PPE contracts. It's embarrassing really.

Still whatever it takes

 

[Frostie]

I mean really, the UK is a deeply unserious country with a silly media. The parties are scandalous but they are nothing on the level of some of the absolutely blatant corruption of the PPE contracts. It's embarrassing really.

Absolutely.

This is a nation that had people vote Conservative as they see "Boris" (not even his real name) as a comedic character with his daft hair etc. thus seemingly making him affable & somebody that would do right by them.
Just the tiniest bit of digging would have showed that he is, and always has been, a narcissistic sociopath.

This is fuelled further by the media, their 'selective' reporting etc & then further exacerbated as people don't want to admit they were duped. Duped by "Boris", duped over Brexit etc. All so frustrating...

 

[PVA]

It's quite staggering how they keep digging and keep making themselves look more and more stupid

 

[AOM]

It's quite staggering how they keep digging and keep making themselves look more and more stupid

I'm saving that response for future use

 

[CCFCSteve]

You'd think so but given everything that has gone on under Johnson you'd expect everyone but the most ardent Tory who would forgive them if they came round and murdered their whole family to be flocking to him. They're not. Even Labour supporters are largely lukewarm to him.

Starmer should have all the gravitas needed to be seen as a much better option. And the sad thing is, he would be if he had a blue tie on instead of a red one.

I see it in a slightly different way. He comes across as pretty uninsirpiring but that isn’t bad if you’re following on from someone like Johnson (could be different if he’s up against a different Tory though). Sometimes luke warm will be enough.

Someone like Corbyn for example would not even get luke warm from a large proportion of the electorate so when you need a dramatic swing it’s irrelevant if a proportion of the left idolise him..it’s the swing voters and the centre Labour need to attract

 

[chiefdave]

It's quite staggering how they keep digging and keep making themselves look more and more stupid

If you take that at face value they've apologised without knowing what they're apologising for or even if there is anything that requires an apology

 

[Nick]

Boris Work Party

 

[Skybluefaz]

 

[Liquid Gold]

I see it in a slightly different way. He comes across as pretty uninsirpiring but that isn’t bad if you’re following on from someone like Johnson (could be different if he’s up against a different Tory though). Sometimes luke warm will be enough.

Someone like Corbyn for example would not even get luke warm from a large proportion of the electorate so when you need a dramatic swing it’s irrelevant if a proportion of the left idolise him..it’s the swing voters and the centre Labour need to attract

But the problem with these polls is that Labour are losing a similar number of voters to the Greens than as to what they're gaining from the Tories.

The poll lead is due to a huge number of Conservatives going to don't know, if they're not swinging Labour now then I don't know when they ever will. Come election Labour would need to hope a lot of those just stay at home or the vote % would be close and that would result in a Tory government.

I think a unity Labour candidate, of which Starmer claimed to be, would be looking much stronger.

 

[David O'Day]

But the problem with these polls is that Labour are losing a similar number of voters to the Greens than as to what they're gaining from the Tories.

The poll lead is due to a huge number of Conservatives going to don't know, if they're not swinging Labour now then I don't know when they ever will. Come election Labour would need to hope a lot of those just stay at home or the vote % would be close and that would result in a Tory government.

I think a unity Labour candidate, of which Starmer claimed to be, would be looking much stronger.

Labour aren't losing votes at the moment to the greens?

 

[David O'Day]

The data doesn't look at that soft to be fair

https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/48dfh8v55q/TheTimes_VI_220113_W.pdf

 

[shmmeee]

"far left" lol

Whatever you want to call it. In the U.K. polticial landscape it is in fact those furthest to the left that have an issue

 

[shmmeee]

 

[PVA]

But the problem with these polls is that Labour are losing a similar number of voters to the Greens than as to what they're gaining from the Tories.

The poll lead is due to a huge number of Conservatives going to don't know, if they're not swinging Labour now then I don't know when they ever will. Come election Labour would need to hope a lot of those just stay at home or the vote % would be close and that would result in a Tory government.

I think a unity Labour candidate, of which Starmer claimed to be, would be looking much stronger.

They’ll never go to Labour, they are too died in the wool, but they might stay home and that’s just as bad.

Good article here that explains that the current Tory position is actually worse than the polls show, due to their performance in the marginals.

The situation for the Tories is worse than you think

Voters are angry at Boris Johnson everywhere, but they’re especially so in the marginals that matter.

www.newstatesman.com

Long way to go obviously, but this is exactly what I said would happen. Tories would continue to fuck up and the marginals and blue wall seats would take notice, and leave their Tory vote behind.

 

[Deleted member 9744]

People'll see him as Mr Eat Out to Help Out and furlough man, missing the fact that ideologically he's to the right of Thatcher!

People are going to forget their half price pizza fairly soon when the energy price shock arrives.

 

[shmmeee]

But the problem with these polls is that Labour are losing a similar number of voters to the Greens than as to what they're gaining from the Tories.

The poll lead is due to a huge number of Conservatives going to don't know, if they're not swinging Labour now then I don't know when they ever will. Come election Labour would need to hope a lot of those just stay at home or the vote % would be close and that would result in a Tory government.

I think a unity Labour candidate, of which Starmer claimed to be, would be looking much stronger.

Green vote is soft as fuck though. Have a look at pre election polling vs actual vote for previous elections. Everyone’s a green until they get in the ballot box.