Do you want to discuss boring politics? (20 Viewers)

[wingy]

gove my give one last chance - doubt Francois will get the numbers. You might laugh but I think Penny Mordant will try.

Raab has appeal to tbe right so may try again as well

I'd agree about Mordant.
And it would be odd if Gove didn't.

 

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[wingy]

And yet despite this being an open secret the party never seems to get scrutinised for it

It's so odd
Because Boris has been virtually bottom of Conservative home polls for a very long time now.

 

[wingy]

Well Labour won’t even ever elect a female one!

They should try it.

 

[Grendel]

It's so odd
Because Boris has been virtually bottom of Conservative home polls for a very long time now.

They’d elect Sunak I don’t think he will get through to the last two

 

[Deleted member 9744]

Francois

Fabricant?

Really there is a wealth of talent

 

[PVA]

What utter c**ts.

And they wonder why they get called vile scum?

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I do find it amazing how they (and this is by no means limited to the Tories but they use it excessively) trot out the excuse of 'not having enough time to put bills through' but will randomly call at vote in the middle of the night.

There should be a defined time limit within which votes can be made (i.e. 8am-8pm) unless in an emergency for military action and until such time as remote voting is introduced has to have at least a days notice beforehand.

It's easy to not be a complete bastard if you don't want to be.

 

[Philosoraptor]

The problem with the second chamber, outside of course the elephant in the room of it being unelected, is that it is just another facet for the political parties to fight over. Directly elected people don't work either, just look at the Senate over in America, split across the same party lines.

We do need the checks and measures of a second chamber though to stop bad ideas becoming law.

What to replace it with though is always up for debate.

 

[shmmeee]

The problem with the second chamber, outside of course the elephant in the room of it being unelected, is that it is just another facet for the political parties to fight over. Directly elected people don't work either, just look at the Senate over in America, split across the same party lines.

We do need the checks and measures of a second chamber though to stop bad ideas becoming law.

What to replace it with though is always up for debate.

I like an unelected chamber TBH, I just wouldn’t put the appointment power with the current parties (or rather severely reduce it, you do need some level making experience in there).

But what about a jury service style system. Take people for a year or more on say 150% of their average salary over the last three years or something like that?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I like an unelected chamber TBH, I just wouldn’t put the appointment power with the current parties (or rather severely reduce it, you do need some level making experience in there).

But what about a jury service style system. Take people for a year or more on say 150% of their average salary over the last three years or something like that?

I don’t want the quality of the upper house left to random chance.

 

[shmmeee]

I don’t want the quality of the upper house left to random chance.

It pretty much already is, only randomly selected from MPs and rich fuckers.

My preferred system is still to give trade bodies and the like appointments.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

It pretty much already is, only randomly selected from MPs and rich fuckers.

My preferred system is still to give trade bodies and the like appointments.

I would simply like things like health, education, transport etc in the hands of qualified individuals rather than politicians with short term limits

 

[shmmeee]

I would simply like things like health, education, transport etc in the hands of qualified individuals rather than politicians with short term limits

Problem is tax and therefore budgets will always be the preserve of politicians.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Problem is tax and therefore budgets will always be the preserve of politicians.

Again, perhaps they shouldn’t. I know having no political parties is pure fantasy but they just seem no longer fit for purpose with the challenges now facing us

 

[wingy]

Again, perhaps they shouldn’t. I know having no political parties is pure fantasy but they just seem no longer fit for purpose with the challenges now facing us

Military rule?

 

[shmmeee]

Again, perhaps they shouldn’t. I know having no political parties is pure fantasy but they just seem no longer fit for purpose with the challenges now facing us

I don’t see how you can have democracy at all if something as basic and ideological as the size of the state isn’t under democratic control TBH.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I don’t see how you can have democracy at all if something as basic and ideological as the size of the state isn’t under democratic control TBH.

The structure and processes could for the most part remain, but my vision is you would focus more on the people elected to roles or representation, instead of their party.

As said before I know it’s a fantasy

 

[shmmeee]

Interesting polling on potential next PMs. Can’t believe we forgot Patel.

 

[Sick Boy]

I’d like to know what the public are basing Sunak’s ability to be PM on exactly.

 

[PVA]

I’d like to know what the public are basing Sunak’s ability to be PM on exactly.

Free Nandos

 

[CCFCSteve]

I’d like to know what the public are basing Sunak’s ability to be PM on exactly.

Limited information, same as all the others. Confident when delivering speeches and apparently hard worker by all accounts. I’d imagine the furlough scheme that kept millions in work and doing nothing for a majority/all of their salary is the main reason though

The economy has done pretty well considering we are predominantly a service and consumer based/led economy and have had lockdowns to contend with…not to mention B word

Edit - also distanced himself from Johnson

 

[Sick Boy]

Limited information, same as all the others. Confident when delivering speeches and apparently hard worker by all accounts. I’d imagine the furlough scheme that kept millions in work and doing nothing for a majority/all of their salary is the main reason though

The economy has done pretty well considering we are predominantly a service and consumer based/led economy and have had lockdowns to contend with…not to mention B word

Edit - also distanced himself from Johnson

Exactly, it’s depressing.

 

[clint van damme]

Truss , God help us.

 

[David O'Day]

Limited information, same as all the others. Confident when delivering speeches and apparently hard worker by all accounts. I’d imagine the furlough scheme that kept millions in work and doing nothing for a majority/all of their salary is the main reason though

The economy has done pretty well considering we are predominantly a service and consumer based/led economy and have had lockdowns to contend with…not to mention B word

Edit - also distanced himself from Johnson

Mate he lives upstairs from Boris and is the actual resident of no,10 and is easy to taint.

He also wants to pay for his schemes which weren't his by plunging the UK back into austerity. A Sunak led Tory party losesmost if not all of teh new seats it gained in 2019

The economy has done shite

 

[skybluetony176]

Truss , God help us.

There’s a rumour going around that she’s had elocution lessons to sound more like a pound shop Maggie.

 

[clint van damme]

There’s a rumour going around that she’s had elocution lessons to sound more like a pound shop Maggie.

And like Mogg people will fall for it

 

[CCFCSteve]

Mate he lives upstairs from Boris and is the actual resident of no,10 and is easy to taint.

He also wants to pay for his schemes which weren't his by plunging the UK back into austerity. A Sunak led Tory party losesmost if not all of teh new seats it gained in 2019

The economy has done shite

We were talking about current public perceptions

The economy has recovered well though under the circumstances

 

[CCFCSteve]

There’s a rumour going around that she’s had elocution lessons to sound more like a pound shop Maggie.

 

[Deleted member 9744]

I’d like to know what the public are basing Sunak’s ability to be PM on exactly.

Half price pizzas

 

[chiefdave]

This Operation Red Meat thing in the Sunday Times has got to be a piss take.

Solve the cost of living crisis by freezing the BBC license fee and get the military to turn back immigrants & refugees in the channel. How stupid do they think voters are?

 

[Grendel]

I was slightly confused that Mr Starmer conceded you could drink alcohol and share take away meals in a work setting indoors and that’s perfectly within the rules

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

The problem with the second chamber, outside of course the elephant in the room of it being unelected, is that it is just another facet for the political parties to fight over. Directly elected people don't work either, just look at the Senate over in America, split across the same party lines.

We do need the checks and measures of a second chamber though to stop bad ideas becoming law.

What to replace it with though is always up for debate.

I agree entirely about how each system just ends up corrupted by the main parties and voting individuals leaves a very large possibility of some charismatic slef-serving charlatan taking over and running it like a dictator.

For me second chamber should be PR based on %votes for each party in the GE. Each party gets to choose which people represent them in the chamber. Like you say, not ideal but better than a house where each change of government just leads to an ever more bloated house as they give peerages to more people to give them control.

 

[skybluetony176]

I was slightly confused that Mr Starmer conceded you could drink alcohol and share take away meals in a work setting indoors and that’s perfectly within the rules

Grendull in easily confused shocker.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I like an unelected chamber TBH, I just wouldn’t put the appointment power with the current parties (or rather severely reduce it, you do need some level making experience in there).

But what about a jury service style system. Take people for a year or more on say 150% of their average salary over the last three years or something like that?

That jury style system is the basis of how the Greeks worked it. you literally just got called in to serve. Of course, the people who could be called up was very small - had to be male, a certain age, not a servant/slave etc.

The thing that gets me the most is how when they have task forces etc they just get one of the usual crowd to head it up (jobs for the boys). Should focus around those that have experience of it, and not just in a business/professional sense. For example, homelessness should heavily feature people who have been homeless, domestic abuse by domestic abuse survivors, drug/drink/gambling policy by former addicts.

Also the desire to get expertise in from the business sector. Absoluty necessary but should look more heavily at people running charities/not-for-profits etc. Govt is supposed to provide public services so bring in those who would appear to be focused on the service element rather than those whose main concern is financial.

 

[David O'Day]

This Operation Red Meat thing in the Sunday Times has got to be a piss take.

Solve the cost of living crisis by freezing the BBC license fee and get the military to turn back immigrants & refugees in the channel. How stupid do they think voters are?

it's the only move they know how to make. They are now irretrievably in the public eye and the longer Johnson tries to tough it out the worst it will be for them.

Still no one cares about parties do they.

Also to answer some people yes the blatant corruption of the PPE contracts etc. should be what is bringing them done but people are detached from that. The reason this is what is sticking is people gave up so much and lost so much and now they can see the cunts who told them to do so were laughing at them.