Do you want to discuss boring politics? (215 Viewers)

[skybluetony176]

 

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[shmmeee]

I can see the issue here. But we rarely talk about the absolute facts in this whole discussion. How many cases of AS of members was reported to the appropriate body for them to be disciplined, and what is this as a proportion of membership. Where this is proven I hope all have been expelled.
The fact that in a sample of 1000 allegations, over 800 were attributed to non-Labour members making it impossible to action.
Luciana Berger was horribly abused and those responsible were charged and sentenced… the whole affair was attributed to Labour members and yet they were not.
You can’t deal with a small core of horrible racists and get rid of them when you are having to deal with things outside of your remit which you can’t fix.

The overarching point is there’s a strand of left wing politics, to which Corbyn subscribes, and which I used to in my youth TBF, which travels right up to the line and in many cases over it on AS. The Rothschild conspiracies, the hook nosed bankers controlling politicians, etc. It’s the mainstream lefts job to police that border strongly. Just as it’s up to the mainstream right to police the border between patriotism and border controls and outright racism and nationalism.

The instinct from Corbyn and others to first back someone ideologically close to you rather than distance yourself from their racism is what did him in.

 

[Ian1779]

I’m sure Cressida Dick will be along shortly to confirm there’s nothing to see here.

 

[skybluetony176]

I’m sure Cressida Dick will be along shortly to confirm there’s nothing to see here.

These are historic crimes that happened last week and the police are not in the business of investigating historical crimes from last week. Said respected lawyer Dominic Raab.

 

[Ian1779]

The overarching point is there’s a strand of left wing politics, to which Corbyn subscribes, and which I used to in my youth TBF, which travels right up to the line and in many cases over it on AS. The Rothschild conspiracies, the hook nosed bankers controlling politicians, etc. It’s the mainstream lefts job to police that border strongly. Just as it’s up to the mainstream right to police the border between patriotism and border controls and outright racism and nationalism.

Fine I agree. But policing should be in the form of a proper disciplinary system that is clear and efficient. Reeves comments are an example of how that very process becomes compromised - she has absolutely fuck all evidence to back up her assertion.

 

[SBT]

I never said Trump would win in 2020, the polls were clear it was going to be a Biden win and they were impressively accurate. The same polls had Biden ahead throughout the run up and during Trumps presidency. They now have Trump as a very clear winner.

The next presidential election is almost three years away - why would polls matter now?

 

[Liquid Gold]

The overarching point is there’s a strand of left wing politics, to which Corbyn subscribes, and which I used to in my youth TBF, which travels right up to the line and in many cases over it on AS. The Rothschild conspiracies, the hook nosed bankers controlling politicians, etc. It’s the mainstream lefts job to police that border strongly. Just as it’s up to the mainstream right to police the border between patriotism and border controls and outright racism and nationalism.

The instinct from Corbyn and others to first back someone ideologically close to you rather than distance yourself from their racism is what did him in.

I'm not sure I completely agree with that. Anti-Semitism is so pernicious because it transcends the political divide.

Sure you have left wingers thinking jews are associated with wealth and the capitalist class but you also have right wingers who think they use their secret power to try and get rid of the family unit and undermine the power of the nation.

Obviously it's all bollocks.

 

[shmmeee]

I'm not sure I completely agree with that. Anti-Semitism is so pernicious because it transcends the political divide.

Sure you have left wingers thinking jews are associated with wealth and the capitalist class but you also have right wingers who think they use their secret power to try and get rid of the family unit and undermine the power of the nation.

Obviously it's all bollocks.

You totally do and you have nationalist left wingers (see Lexiters), I just think it’s more pernicious on the left because we have a blind spot for it. I know I did until I learned more about the subject.

Overall, is this a hill worth dying on or do you just condemn the racists and move on with life? Corbyn has decided it’s the hill he wants to die on, it’s a bit rich to complain that he’s dead.

 

[shmmeee]

It is correct if labour are serious about being a political party again the 80’s retro band of Momentum need to be chucked

Im getting shit here from left wingers, but I’m pretty far left myself, certainly economically and on many crime and education issues, voted Corbyn first time around for that exact reason. I just find it incredibly frustrating that fellow left wingers would rather complain that the world is as it is than play the game. Which means we always lose.

The worst thing the old left did was get their hooks into the younger generation and pass on all their mistakes. I get it was Corbyn or no one, but in reality the kids joining Momentum at the start and getting excited had a fundentally different view of socialism to the likes of McDonnell and Corbyn no matter how many kebab awards and festivals they attended.

There was a chance to create something new and modern and they fucked it by hooking up with cranks and losers quite frankly.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Trump isn't going to win anything. That's just utter bollocks and is the tired nonsense continuation of the drivel that said Trump would win in 2020.

Also the labour party are never going to win from a Labour left position. MacDonald, Atlee, Wilson and Blair were not from the left of the party.

Biden’s approval rating has gone through the floor because he has failed to fundamentally change anything, just as he promised. If he had bothered to press gang Manchin into backing the BBB bill perhaps his approval wouldn’t be below Trump’s

 

[clint van damme]

I'm not sure I completely agree with that. Anti-Semitism is so pernicious because it transcends the political divide.

Sure you have left wingers thinking jews are associated with wealth and the capitalist class but you also have right wingers who think they use their secret power to try and get rid of the family unit and undermine the power of the nation.

Obviously it's all bollocks.

And then you have Anglo saxon centrists telling left wing Jews they're wrong on antisemitism because they disagree with them.

You totally do and you have nationalist left wingers (see Lexiters), I just think it’s more pernicious on the left because we have a blind spot for it. I know I did until I learned more about the subject.

Overall, is this a hill worth dying on or do you just condemn the racists and move on with life? Corbyn has decided it’s the hill he wants to die on, it’s a bit rich to complain that he’s dead.

Corbyn isn't a hill worth dying on to be honest, he had his chance, it's over. Why he wants back in the party and why people are still campaigning for him to be reinstated is a bit strange in my opinion.

 

[Philosoraptor]

Shmmeee, playing the game like Labour has over the few decades is what has gotten them into this mess in the first place.

 

[Saddlebrains]

Angela Rayner


Would ya?

 

[Evo1883]

Biden’s approval rating has gone through the floor because he has failed to fundamentally change anything, just as he promised. If he had bothered to press gang Manchin into backing the BBB bill perhaps his approval wouldn’t be below Trump’s

The worst thing for Biden is he's had much of the media on his side the whole time , trump from day 1 was quite the opposite, how badly must you be doing to have a lower approval than trump despite this

 

[Evo1883]

Angela Rayner


Would ya?

Probably

 

[Skybluefaz]

Mad that it was the parties that did it when this shit is going on.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The worst thing for Biden is he's had much of the media on his side the whole time , trump from day 1 was quite the opposite, how badly must you be doing to have a lower approval than trump despite this

This is the problem being elected based on who you aren’t rather than who you are

 

[PVA]

Mad that it was the parties that did it when this shit is going on.

Christ.

I could have told them it was an absurd idea for a lot less than 900k.

 

[shmmeee]

Shmmeee, playing the game like Labour has over the few decades is what has gotten them into this mess in the first place.

Labour haven’t been playing the game for about 20 years… or rather have been playing it spectacularly badly.

 

[shmmeee]

Interesting piece on Sunak

 

[JAM See]

Angela Rayner


Would ya?

Twat.

 

[skybluetony176]

Ex I’m a celebrity get me out of here contestant Nadine Dorries accusing someone of attention seeking.

 

[Saddlebrains]

Twat.

Soz M8

 

[Ian1779]

Labour haven’t been playing the game for about 20 years… or rather have been playing it spectacularly badly.

Labour played Murdoch’s game until he jettisoned them. Wonder if he’ll come calling again in the future.

 

[shmmeee]

Labour played Murdoch’s game until he jettisoned them. Wonder if he’ll come calling again in the future.

Don’t think it matters too much TBH. News is made elsewhere these days. The Suns circulation is hovering around 1m people, which is nothing like 1997 when it was closer to 4m and there weren’t many alternate news sources.

 

[JAM See]

Don’t think it matters too much TBH. News is made elsewhere these days. The Suns circulation is hovering around 1m people, which is nothing like 1997 when it was closer to 4m and there weren’t many alternate news sources.

I'm 54.

I get my news from the BBC.

I read the guardian website to reinforce my views, and the Daily Mail website to see what the other side is thinking.

I refuse to pay for the Telegraph or the Times and don't know how to circumvent their paywalls.

I don't bother with the Mirror or the Sun, and the less said about the Daily Express the better.

Where else should I be looking?

 

[Ian1779]

Don’t think it matters too much TBH. News is made elsewhere these days. The Suns circulation is hovering around 1m people, which is nothing like 1997 when it was closer to 4m and there weren’t many alternate news sources.

On the face of it I’d agree… but you know that he’s got his fingers in the other ‘news outlets’ and you only have to look at Facebook and Cov-ID to see there are a lot of easily influenced people out there.

 

[shmmeee]

On the face of it I’d agree… but you know that he’s got his fingers in the other ‘news outlets’ and you only have to look at Facebook and Cov-ID to see there are a lot of easily influenced people out there.

Oh 100% and the right have stole a march in terms of online presence and modern ad usage that we need to get back. Corbyn’s team was better with it but only really in preaching to the converted . But it makes it a little less “I’ll scratch your back, you keep Ofcom off mine”.

 

[shmmeee]

I'm 54.

I get my news from the BBC.

I read the guardian website to reinforce my views, and the Daily Mail website to see what the other side is thinking.

I refuse to pay for the Telegraph or the Times and don't know how to circumvent their paywalls.

I don't bother with the Mirror or the Sun, and the less said about the Daily Express the better.

Where else should I be looking?

I don’t think you should, as many issues as traditional journalism has it’s a damn sight better than YouTube vids from Crazy Kevs man cave or whatever. But where they get their stories from isn’t just the front pages any more.

 

[clint van damme]

I'm 54.

I get my news from the BBC.

I read the guardian website to reinforce my views, and the Daily Mail website to see what the other side is thinking.

I refuse to pay for the Telegraph or the Times and don't know how to circumvent their paywalls.

I don't bother with the Mirror or the Sun, and the less said about the Daily Express the better.

Where else should I be looking?

on here!!

 

[shmmeee]

Criminal

 

[skybluetony176]

Didn’t know what to make of this blackmail claim until I just seen Greg Hands on C4 news and remarkably he hasn’t lost his phone (very uncharacteristic for a Tory these days) and is waving it around live on TV eager to show a conversation he had with Christian Wakeford as proof that there was no blackmailing. So naturally I’m now convinced that the accusation is true.

 

[Ian1779]

 

[Otis]

 

[Skybluefaz]

Talks of a £500 one off payment to help people with the cost of living, the government is still looking into things before deciding. I imagine the deciding factor will be if Dominic Cummings has a photo of Boris Johnson doing a Jaeger bomb at one of the parties.