shmmeee
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He’s like 99% of MPs and votes with the whip of his party. Do you think he’s suddenly going to 180 the Labour policy platform from the back benches?
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He’s like 99% of MPs and votes with the whip of his party. Do you think he’s suddenly going to 180 the Labour policy platform from the back benches?
fernandopartridge
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He joined the Tory party for reasons which I suspect is his political outlook being closely aligned with the Tory whip. He's hardly in the Tory heartlands here is he?
He's defected as he thinks it is expedient for his long term political career. It's a terrible terrible look for Labour to welcome such an individual.
jimmyhillsfanclub
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Members of the public in Bury South on the 10 o'clock news fuming with one asking "what's the point in voting?"....
....Good question!
....Good question!
Yeah this.
He's clearly a bit of a tosser but he's not the first and won't be the last tosser to join Labour.
He'll obviously follow the whip. Much rather he be following the whip for Labour than on the other side.
fernandopartridge
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Brighton Sky Blue
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Beggars can’t be choosers
Good one. You seem absolutely desperate for the Labour Party to fail. Are you a Corbynista?
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In theory you're supposed to vote for an MP, not a party.
That's not what actually happens though for the majority of people of course
fernandopartridge
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clint van damme
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Grendel
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OK. But you are a labour voter is that right?
Yes but not because I wanted Corbyn as Prime Minister, but because I didn't want Boris johnson as Prime Minister.
It was a choice between having your arm chopped off or getting kicked in the teeth. I went for the less shit of the two options.
Though I liked some of his policies I certainly am no Corbyn fan, I can't stand the guy. Starmer is a million times better.
Im Sure he said in the past he doesn’t vote labour
I never said that.
I might have said that I am a floating voter. I'm not welded to Labour like supporting a football team.
Anyway.
I do remember when you said no one cares about parties.
Grendel
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If anything it’s given Johnson a stay of execution
Starmer clearly doesn’t care about whose in his party or what they stand for
Are labour voters in a constituency going to vote for a Tory - hilarious stuff
shmmeee
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So you don’t think there should be a by-election? Because people vote for MPs not parties.
chiefdave
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Completely agree with this, increasingly looks like this has, at least for now, saved Johnson.
I get the argument that Labour has to be a broad church but not sure you have much credibility if you're admitting someone to the party who, according to leaked WhatsApp messages has been calling the Labour Party a 'bunch of c**ts' and generally taking shots at the shadow cabinet, while at the same time kicking out anyone who supports any views that are vaguely left wing.
Grendel
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Probably and no I don’t in answer to your follow up question
Surely there’s someone selected by the local party to stand at the election when it comes. What actually happens to them?
Switching from labour to Tory is pretty rare from what I see
chiefdave
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Well Wakeford himself sponsored a bill proposing that a recall petition should be automatically triggered if a MP changed political affiliation.
Grendel
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If the voting public switch back to Tory guess he will try and wander back again
Liquid Gold
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Labour should be a broad church but if they can welcome a guy that voted for flooding our rivers with shite, not giving food to hungry kids and restricting the right to protest then they can certainly welcome a lifelong member and activist who has been an MP for decades, is still a member and was their leader a few years ago.
This isn’t broad church politics it’s PR and they’re showing hundreds of thousands of people they’re not wanted.
This isn’t broad church politics it’s PR and they’re showing hundreds of thousands of people they’re not wanted.
Ian1779
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Starmer is ruthless and will drop/switch his position in a heartbeat if he thinks it will benefit him. Take his position on nationalisation of energy - in his leadership run he was all for it… now he’s on LBC saying he doesn’t agree, when it has broadly cross-political support from voters, and also in the middle of a energy crisis for a lot of people.
He has no vision, plan or ideas to move the country forward.
He’s obsessed with power IMO.
David O'Day
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Bring it on then, Labour will walk Bury South in any election now
Liquid Gold
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And with open selection I doubt they would chose such a charlatan to represent them.
David O'Day
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And you can't do anything if you are not in power.
I'd rather we won elections than became a 6th form debating society
Grendel
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He is incapable of being Prime Minister
Yesterday he could have delivered a knock out blow instead he decided to try and make a joke - it was funny but he seemed more pleased with that - Johnson was allowed to come back - Starmer is IDS mark 2 shocking
David O'Day
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If it was a snap by election it won't be open selection.
Also when interviewed the local CLP is actually ok with this.
Ian1779
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He won’t be in power unless he gets into bed with Sturgeon anyway.
David O'Day
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That is just nonsense and you know it
Haha coming from the bloke who idolises 'Mr Johnson'. Incredible.
Liquid Gold
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I'd rather elections were won by somebody that was planning on fixing the structural inequalities in British society that stop people lumping for Boris Johnson and Brexit as their only options.
This liberal bullshit of 'slightly better than the other side' isn't improving things. Look at the polling in America. We're going to end up with Trump coming back more emboldened than ever. In Britain the country doesn't need a one term Labour government that does nothing of note to change things and lets a refreshed Tories back in a few years later.
Ian1779
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With the planned boundary changes on top I very much disagree.
jimmyhillsfanclub
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Yeah...but that theory is not the reality for 99% of the voting public.
This rosette swapping by opportunistic careerist politicians is just another big FUCK OFF from the politcal class to Joe public ......
I've been voting for over 30 years and the ONLY time my vote has EVER counted for anything other than a token protest was the EU referendum....