Loan Watch (11 Viewers)

[ccfc1234]

Surely as head of recruitment every signing has his hallmarks, why just the bad ones?

I guess we will both not know what truely goes on behind the scenes but Hamer aside our forays into the European market have been poor. Robins has said be relies on Badlan in identifying these type of players.

Mattsen, Jake Salter Clarke are very likely to be the Vivash connection not Badlan.

 

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[higgs]

He doesn't assert himself enough
Chases about but seems too predictable
Never seems to do something unexpected
I guess a lot of it's to do with confidence or the lack of after not scoring for ages

I think he's only really a six yard box player his all round game isn't very good but he has scored goals but doesn't look prolific at the moment

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[junglej13]

I guess we will both not know what truely goes on behind the scenes but Hamer aside our forays into the European market have been poor. Robins has said be relies on Badlan in identifying these type of players.

Mattsen, Jake Salter Clarke are very likely to be the Vivash connection not Badlan.

Many of the European signings haven't worked out but generally our recruitment has been excellent the last few summers. Especially given the budget restraints. All clubs recruitment is generally a mixed bag. Some horrendous money gets wasted in the Championship.

 

[Frostie]

Danny Cashman was being discussed by Robins in the local paper. Was surprised by these comments from Robins..

'That deal was done earlier on in the summer. Chris Badlan (head of recruitment) rang to ask if I minded us doing it. It was a case of, ‘right, OK, what are we doing it for?’

Badlan has made some odd buys and i do wonder why we are signing players like Cashman to name but a few. Look at the dead wood clearout most have all the hallmarks of Badlans and his lack of due diligence.

Get a sense for robins to say those comments he is slightly annoyed this Jan by the money we wasted on player trading.

You've taken the quote completely out of context, he was referring to the decision to loan him to Rochdale being Badlan's idea, Robins doesn't question the signing of Cashman at all, referring to him as having" loads of potential".

As @shmmeee said, you can't lambast Badlan for the very few signings that don't work out (nothing to say Cashman will be one of those anyway - he's literally just turned 21 this month) & give him no credit for the majority that are a massive success. You'll be hard pressed to find many clubs with a better recent recruitment record than us with such a small budget.

 

[ccfc1234]

You've taken the quote completely out of context, he was referring to the decision to loan him to Rochdale being Badlan's idea, Robins doesn't question the signing of Cashman at all, referring to him as having" loads of potential".

As @shmmeee said, you can't lambast Badlan for the very few signings that don't work out (nothing to say Cashman will be one of those anyway - he's literally just turned 21 this month) & give him no credit for the majority that are a massive success. You'll be hard pressed to find many clubs with a better recent recruitment record than us with such a small budget.

Having re read the article I agree with you that the context appears to be about the loan move not the overall move from Brighton. Cheers for highlighting.

With regards to the wider point, as you know I am not a huge Badlan fan since he gave Kasta the big one and has overseen the signing of players who are so far off the mark that questions as to their identification methods should be looked at.

 

[SSB]

Many of the European signings haven't worked out but generally our recruitment has been excellent the last few summers. Especially given the budget restraints. All clubs recruitment is generally a mixed bag. Some horrendous money gets wasted in the Championship.

Badlan does brilliantly with what little he has at his disposal. The success over the past few seasons is a testament to that.

Don't really get how or why people try to use him as a scapegoat.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Badlan does brilliantly with what little he has at his disposal. The success over the past few seasons is a testament to that.

Don't really get how or why people try to use him as a scapegoat.

3 year contracts and fees paid for

Hilssner
Kasta
Jobello
Reid

3 year contract for DaCosta too.

Combine the fees and wages together, it’s not inconsiderable

 

[SSB]

3 year contracts and fees paid for

Hilssner
Kasta
Jobello
Reid

3 year contract for DaCosta too.

Combine the fees and wages together, it’s not inconsiderable

The 3-year contracts were bizarre given no one realistically would've wanted them but I'm not really holding it over his head. Mistakes do happen you can't expect them to get it right every time.

Bit unfair to throw Reid into the mix he's only 19.

But you're holding 3 signings over the head of someone who in the next few years could be partially credited for helping generate millions for the club in sold players, all of which he's had a hand in identifying.

Bit bizarre IMO.

 

[shmmeee]

I seriously doubt Badlan does contract negotiations. Or for that matter has the final say on transfers.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The 3-year contracts were bizarre given no one realistically would've wanted them but I'm not really holding it over his head. Mistakes do happen you can't expect them to get it right every time.

Bit unfair to throw Reid into the mix he's only 19.

But you're holding 3 signings over the head of someone who in the next few years could be partially credited for helping generate millions for the club in sold players, all of which he's had a hand in identifying.

Bit bizarre IMO.

As of yet none of the 2020 signings or beyond have garnered a profit, that’s a fact. While I’m not saying bin him off, I think it’s a push to say he’s done brilliant work too.

Reid is clearly nowhere near contention and we haven’t even sourced him a loan spell

 

[SSB]

As of yet none of the 2020 signings or beyond have garnered a profit, that’s a fact. While I’m not saying bin him off, I think it’s a push to say he’s done brilliant work too.

Reid is clearly nowhere near contention and we haven’t even sourced him a loan spell

It's also a fact that his recommendations have helped us achieve promotion back to the Championship where we currently sit in the top half.

You can't say Robins does a brilliant job yet all of his backroom staff are mediocre. He's not a one man band. It's a team effort.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

It's also a fact that his recommendations have helped us achieve promotion back to the Championship where we currently sit in the top half.

You can't say Robins does a brilliant job yet all of his backroom staff are mediocre. He's not a one man band. It's a team effort.

I never said he was mediocre. Just perhaps not brilliant.

 

[SBT]

3 year contracts and fees paid for

Hilssner
Kasta
Jobello
Reid

3 year contract for DaCosta too.

Combine the fees and wages together, it’s not inconsiderable

I don't think that those four players are going to be the legacy of the guy who bought in McCallum, Dabo, Rose, McFadzean, Allen, Moore and O'Hare for the same price.

 

[SSB]

I never said he was mediocre. Just perhaps not brilliant.

Fair your opinion but it's a strange one. The majority of players in the squad have been identified by him and don't forget Robins solely credited him for identifying McCallum who we made a 6-figure profit on.

Yet you're not a fan because he recommended a few dodgy signings 18+ months ago?

 

[SBT]

Think a lot of people are forgetting that Chris Badlan also signed Fabio Tavares, put some respect on the name etc

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Fair your opinion but it's a strange one. The majority of players in the squad have been identified by him and don't forget Robins solely credited him for identifying McCallum who we made a 6-figure profit on.

Yet you're not a fan because he recommended a few dodgy signings 18+ months ago?

I think you’re taking ‘not brilliant’ a bit too far.

 

[junglej13]

You've taken the quote completely out of context, he was referring to the decision to loan him to Rochdale being Badlan's idea, Robins doesn't question the signing of Cashman at all, referring to him as having" loads of potential".

As @shmmeee said, you can't lambast Badlan for the very few signings that don't work out (nothing to say Cashman will be one of those anyway - he's literally just turned 21 this month) & give him no credit for the majority that are a massive success. You'll be hard pressed to find many clubs with a better recent recruitment record than us with such a small budget.

Had completely missed this and thought it was a bizarre article with Robins basically slating Badlan for signing someone!

 

[SSB]

I think you’re taking ‘not brilliant’ a bit too far.

Not really I just think your justifications for why Badlan isn't doing a brilliant job are a bit odd.

Couldn't care less about what you think of him really that's your opinion which you're entitled to but it just seems like you've got a bit of an agenda against him as a fair few fans do. Just can't wrap my head around why.

 

[Wanda]

Tavares, reid and cashman are strange signings considering our financial situation. However, I guess the money made on mccallum outweighs the expenditure on those. It’s the cheap European recruitment that annoys me. All flops. (Awaits someone saying Hamer and Rose)

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Not really I just think your justifications for why Badlan isn't doing a brilliant job are a bit odd.

Couldn't care less about what you think of him really that's your opinion which you're entitled to but it just seems like you've got a bit of an agenda against him as a fair few fans do. Just can't wrap my head around why.

Paranoid emotive waffle

 

[SSB]

Paranoid emotive waffle

Says the poster using 18+ month old transfers to support his point. Hilarious.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Says the poster using 18+ month old transfers to support his point. Hilarious.

What? You’re taking the words ‘not brilliant’ as some kind of personal attack on a scout. Brilliant to me means one of the best in his field, just saying I don’t think he is.

Strange behaviour

 

[SSB]

What? You’re taking the words ‘not brilliant’ as some kind of personal attack on a scout. Brilliant to me means one of the best in his field, just saying I don’t think he is.

Strange behaviour

I think you need to learn to read posts.

I said he's doing a brilliant job given the constraints he's under.... Not really sure how that's a contentious post.

And I'm the strange one.

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

The Reid signing I can understand a young player playing first team football at a reasonable level. Tavares seems a bit of a waste he was at a decent standard and we have pushed him back. Cashman seems a total waste of effort at the moment.

 

[larry_david]

Tavares was a 'punt' and may well pay off.
Got to say the Cashman deal seems very odd.

 

[Frostie]

Tavares was a 'punt' and may well pay off.
Got to say the Cashman deal seems very odd.

What's the difference between Tavares & Cashman? Both young with potential to improve.
We get criticised for not recruiting enough young players for the future & then get criticised when we do

 

[SSB]

Tavares was a 'punt' and may well pay off.
Got to say the Cashman deal seems very odd.

Neither are odd. They're punts to develop in the U23s.

It's a low risk/potentially high reward strategy we've developed over the last few years now. Most don't/won't come off.

 

[steve101]

Who are responsible for organising loan moves out and conditions of those moves? These have have been very disappointing. Billson was extremely unlucky getting injured on his debut and had that not happened that seemed a good move but what about all the others? Pask at least played 3 full games before latest injury.

 

[larry_david]

What's the difference between Tavares & Cashman? Both young with potential to improve.
We get criticised for not recruiting enough young players for the future & then get criticised when we do

Just seems odd how we've recalled Billson and Bapaga for no game time but Cashman hasnt started since October and is now playing in their reserves and we're leaving him there.

 

[larry_david]

Who are responsible for organising loan moves out and conditions of those moves? These have have been very disappointing. Billson was extremely unlucky getting injured on his debut and had that not happened that seemed a good move but what about all the others? Pask at least played 3 full games before latest injury.

Billson was desperately unlucky. Started all their friendlies, started first game, then never got back in despite them being in the bottom two are conceding about 3 a week. He'll now struggle to get a loan at National League because, presumably goalie spots are pretty much secured unless an injury occurs. Notice he's not in the match day warm up sessions since he's come back or in the u23s today so through no fault of his own, it's been half a season of wasted development.

 

[SSB]

Just seems odd how we've recalled Billson and Bapaga for no game time but Cashman hasnt started since October and is now playing in their reserves and we're leaving him there.

NL window is open throughout the season so I suspect they'll be sent there for the remainder of the season.

 

[steve101]

Cashman not even on the bench today and neither was Burroughs. Though it did look like the latter was hobbling after a challenge on the touchline soon after coming on v Rangers.
The strange thing with Cashman is when he was in and around Rochdale's first team they were doing well. He has dropped out of contention and their form has plummeted and yet he still doesn't make the starting 11. Something can't be right. I don't understand what anyone is getting out of it.

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

Cashman not even on the bench today and neither was Burroughs. Though it did look like the latter was hobbling after a challenge on the touchline soon after coming on v Rangers.
The strange thing with Cashman is when he was in and around Rochdale's first team they were doing well. He has dropped out of contention and their form has plummeted and yet he still doesn't make the starting 11. Something can't be right. I don't understand what anyone is getting out of it.

The interview MR did he said he hasn’t spoken to him (yet!). Perhaps there’s not a relationship there like he would have with the other younger players at the club? Don’t think he even trained with us…

 

[junglej13]

Blaine Rowe came off the bench for Ayr late on.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Cashman not even on the bench today and neither was Burroughs. Though it did look like the latter was hobbling after a challenge on the touchline soon after coming on v Rangers.
The strange thing with Cashman is when he was in and around Rochdale's first team they were doing well. He has dropped out of contention and their form has plummeted and yet he still doesn't make the starting 11. Something can't be right. I don't understand what anyone is getting out of it.

Yes, it's odd. Same with Bapaga. Team doing well when they were playing. Get dropped, team does less well, they don't get put back in. Very odd.

I can understand teams wanting to play and develop their own players, but if you're contributing towards a players wages and have them at your disposal, why not use them? I can only imagine the respective managers think they're not performing well enough on the training field or something.