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Grendel

Grendel

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
Well exactly. Doesn’t inspire much in me at the moment and I’m not sure how he gets on against another charlatan candidate
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You say another charlatan candidate but really Starmer should stand for something. It’s clear he won’t reverse the NI price hike, lots of waffle, won’t alter the fuel price caps either - what does he stand for
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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Grendel said:
You say another charlatan candidate but really Starmer should stand for something. It’s clear he won’t reverse the NI price hike, lots of waffle, won’t alter the fuel price caps either - what does he stand for
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Well I mean a snake oil salesman with perceived charisma is enough to romp home in this country
 
Grendel

Grendel

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
Well I mean a snake oil salesman with perceived charisma is enough to romp home in this country
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Only time a labour leader has won in half a century is what you are describing - Major and May you certainly can’t say had very much charisma
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
I’m not expecting policies right now. Just when the time comes I want an optimistic campaign
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Its hard. Activists want change cos they’re activists, most voters want reassurance not too much will change.

My expectations are so low after 12 years of Tories I just want properly funded services and a focus on people not a few elites TBH. I’d love some groundbreaking policy, but it’s all second term stuff. So annoying Blair wasted his capital on privatised services and war (as well as the good stuff), 2001-2005 he could’ve got some real change through.
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
I want to see Labour run on what they have to offer, instead of going ‘we aren’t them’. Just offer a positive campaign based mostly on economic solutions for working people.
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I love your optimism, but that sort of stuff just doesn't work anymore.

Fact is labour could come up with an extremely sensible and costed manifesto and there'd still be this overriding perception in far too many people that Labour are economically illiterate while the Tories are adept at running an economy.
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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CCFCSteve said:
By all accounts Johnson doesn’t like confrontation, so maybe there’s a deal done ie resign with a bit of dignity or get the boot. Or they jumped first knowing they’d be pushed. Reynolds and Rosenfield were 99% certain to go, plus one of the others I think. Not sure the other two were though
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There is no chance of Boris leaving with dignity.

The best he can hope for is avoiding this
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Brighton Sky Blue

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
I love your optimism, but that sort of stuff just doesn't work anymore.

Fact is labour could come up with an extremely sensible and costed manifesto and there'd still be this overriding perception in far too many people that Labour are economically illiterate while the Tories are adept at running an economy.
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Well I simply mean

Lower or eliminate VAT
Raise the minimum wage
Raise corporation tax and top end tax rates

Focus on people’s pockets
 
JAM See

JAM See

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
I love your optimism, but that sort of stuff just doesn't work anymore.

Fact is labour could come up with an extremely sensible and costed manifesto and there'd still be this overriding perception in far too many people that Labour are economically illiterate while the Tories are adept at running an economy.
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That's the approach Labour need to take.

i.e. Hammer the Tories for their appalling fiscal management since the last election.

They are not the party to be trusted with our taxes.

I'd also go hard on the Owen Paterson shambles. "When we break the rules, we change the rules" Something like that.
 
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CCFCSteve

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
I love your optimism, but that sort of stuff just doesn't work anymore.

Fact is labour could come up with an extremely sensible and costed manifesto and there'd still be this overriding perception in far too many people that Labour are economically illiterate while the Tories are adept at running an economy.
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I think that’s a bit pessimistic. Questions are being raised about Tories and the economy recently (especially wastage) so as long as Starmer avoids Corbynomics he should be ok.

Stuff like a one off windfall tax on energy companies whos profits have shot up due to energy crisis are well received by public. I really think the government missed a trick by not getting even a smallish sum out of fuel companies like shell etc
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
Well I simply mean

Lower or eliminate VAT
Raise the minimum wage
Raise corporation tax and top end tax rates

Focus on people’s pockets
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All good points and policies.

But will achieve very little if delivered in a staid, uncharismatic manner. Which is what Starmer is likely to do. He'd be professional, but would likely lose to someone with a personality.

I feel by the time of another election most people won't care about 'Boris'' nonsense if he's not in charge, even though those same people were just as complicit.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
All good points and policies.

But will achieve very little if delivered in a staid, uncharismatic manner. Which is what Starmer is likely to do. He'd be professional, but would likely lose to someone with a personality.

I feel by the time of another election most people won't care about 'Boris'' nonsense if he's not in charge, even though those same people were just as complicit.
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Tactical injection of Andy Burnham please
 
Grendel

Grendel

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
I mean he laughs but the last man to romp home just told jokes and hid from the press
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Burnham would be considered far right in the eyes of Unite and the dumbass labour members
 
Grendel

Grendel

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
The union circles I mix in disagree
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Well good for you. He also earns a 6 figure salary plus expenses and lives where he is happy living - what’s his incentive
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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Grendel said:
Well good for you. He also earns a 6 figure salary plus expenses and lives where he is happy living - what’s his incentive
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Didn’t say I expected it to happen just would be my preferred choice. Starmer also presumably would have been better off financially in law than politics
 
Grendel

Grendel

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
Didn’t say I expected it to happen just would be my preferred choice. Starmer also presumably would have been better off financially in law than politics
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Burnham is in politics and admits is far happier where he is
 
JAM See

JAM See

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Grendel said:
Well good for you. He also earns a 6 figure salary plus expenses and lives where he is happy living - what’s his incentive
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I dunno. Maybe he has the the best interests of the majority of the 65 million inhabitants of the UK at heart...

or maybe he wants to be...

www.express.co.uk

Boris Johnson's 'dream to be world King' unearthed

BORIS JOHNSON dreamed of becoming "world King", an insider has claimed, as he begins his next challenge as Prime Minister following a week of turmoil in Downing Street.
www.express.co.uk www.express.co.uk
 
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