Grendel
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It is as you still have the choice
Jimmy Carr (6 Viewers)
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It is as you still have the choice
shmmeee
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Then should broadcast style laws apply in terms of what’s appropriate to show? RCB would never get on the BBC or ITV, but has always been allowed to tour and sell DVDs.
Huh....I would say the opposite. It's no different from a Freeview box or Sky TV subscription.
shmmeee
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Sure this will calm the debate down…
metro.co.uk
Boris Johnson condemns Jimmy Carr for 'deeply disturbing' Holocaust joke
‘We are clear that mocking the atrocities of the Holocaust is unacceptable.’
metro.co.uk
skybluetony176
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Don’t Boris and Pritti want to basically criminalise being a member of Romany Gypsy community by making it illegal to camp anywhere other than an official site which there aren’t enough of. Even going as far as taking their homes of them.Sure this will calm the debate down…
Boris Johnson condemns Jimmy Carr for 'deeply disturbing' Holocaust joke
‘We are clear that mocking the atrocities of the Holocaust is unacceptable.’
There’s also this
Tories accused of ‘fanning flames of racism’ against Gypsy/Travellers ahead of UK election
‘They’re demonising us to win cheap votes’ say rights activists, as openDemocracy research reveals ‘sickening’ rhetoric deployed by Conservatives across the country.
www.opendemocracy.net
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Ian1779
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There’s gonna be some very confused people out there now.Sure this will calm the debate down…
Boris Johnson condemns Jimmy Carr for 'deeply disturbing' Holocaust joke
‘We are clear that mocking the atrocities of the Holocaust is unacceptable.’
shmmeee
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I wouldn’t open with it.
Ian1779
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That’s the thing, as a parent I find that joke inexcusable.
shmmeee
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Trying to work this into a better joke, it doesn’t work because it’s too wordy and you have to explain yourself in the joke.
The basic premise works though: I hate Arianna Grande, and that’s the cause of the terrorism. It’s a reasonable joke if written properly. The joke here is that obviously that’s not the cause of the terrorism. Without that baseline assumption the joke doesn’t work at all, same with any edgy joke.
The reason RCB doesn’t work is that the assumptions in his joke don’t hold for most people (Asians smell/black people have big lips) and that he’s not a particularly good joke writer. Carr is a good joke writer.
Otis
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I think this is pretty well rounded.
During an interview with the BBC in October, Carr said it's all about context
"I think there's a huge difference between telling a joke on stage at 11pm and shouting it through someone's letterbox at 9am," he told my colleague Steven McIntosh.
"And when stuff is written in the papers, it looks pretty harsh, but there's no delivery, so you take away the context…. It's nuanced, it's the tone, it's the timbre of the speech, there are so many other things going on in language that aren't just the words that are being said."
Nikki Eastwood was at Carr's show at the Bridgewater Hall in Manchester on Sunday night. She said "all the jokes were horrendous but funny, and very very Jimmy Carr". Although he didn't repeat any jokes about Travellers, he did go through jokes about rape, Islam, paedophiles and others, she said.
"I went with my Dad. We both thought he maybe went a bit too far with the rape jokes, it was too much. I think he wants to make a point that you shouldn't be cancelled for jokes. His whole point is he takes the mick out of everyone and everything, he's not being discriminatory."
Jessica Toomey runs the Frog and Bucket comedy club in Manchester. She told the BBC: "I don't like the joke, but it's a joke. He's purposely trying to push the boundaries."
She added that, although Carr hasn't done a gig at her club for nearly two decades, "if he rang me up tomorrow and said 'could I jump on your stage?', I'd say yes. I don't defend the joke, but I defend his right to say it. But I'd make clear to the audience they were coming to see Jimmy Carr. I wouldn't just spring him on them. The argument is, if you don't like it, don't watch it."
During an interview with the BBC in October, Carr said it's all about context
"I think there's a huge difference between telling a joke on stage at 11pm and shouting it through someone's letterbox at 9am," he told my colleague Steven McIntosh.
"And when stuff is written in the papers, it looks pretty harsh, but there's no delivery, so you take away the context…. It's nuanced, it's the tone, it's the timbre of the speech, there are so many other things going on in language that aren't just the words that are being said."
Nikki Eastwood was at Carr's show at the Bridgewater Hall in Manchester on Sunday night. She said "all the jokes were horrendous but funny, and very very Jimmy Carr". Although he didn't repeat any jokes about Travellers, he did go through jokes about rape, Islam, paedophiles and others, she said.
"I went with my Dad. We both thought he maybe went a bit too far with the rape jokes, it was too much. I think he wants to make a point that you shouldn't be cancelled for jokes. His whole point is he takes the mick out of everyone and everything, he's not being discriminatory."
Jessica Toomey runs the Frog and Bucket comedy club in Manchester. She told the BBC: "I don't like the joke, but it's a joke. He's purposely trying to push the boundaries."
She added that, although Carr hasn't done a gig at her club for nearly two decades, "if he rang me up tomorrow and said 'could I jump on your stage?', I'd say yes. I don't defend the joke, but I defend his right to say it. But I'd make clear to the audience they were coming to see Jimmy Carr. I wouldn't just spring him on them. The argument is, if you don't like it, don't watch it."
CJ_covblaze
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I saw him at the Empire and he was very funny for most of the show. He also seemed pretty sincere and genuine when talking about the venue and how the local people should support it. Met him in person through work a few years ago and felt he was a decent enough guy. He goes close to or goes over the line at times but what comedian hasn’t?
Otis
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I see Victoria Coren Mitchell is getting a bit of stick for defending Jimmy Carr and tweeting this.
That also goes with what I was saying about him apparently being a nice guy in real life.
If people are starting to have a go at the very lovely Victoria Coren Mitchell, then the the gloves are off as far as I am concerned. Grrrr
That also goes with what I was saying about him apparently being a nice guy in real life.
If people are starting to have a go at the very lovely Victoria Coren Mitchell, then the the gloves are off as far as I am concerned. Grrrr
Terry_dactyl
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While we’re all chatting about it here, I don’t think there’s a need for a National debate on Jimmy fucking Carr.
Otis
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Don't we speak for the nation on here anyway?
Nick
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I guess if the Government all pile on him it takes the focus away from them.
jimmyhillsfanclub
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Exactly. It was a joke. Some people found it offensive. Some people found it funny.
So you can laugh, or you can feel offended.....either way...so what? ..... it was just a joke.
Liquid Gold
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Most odious brother in the world though. Recently laughing at someone's death.I see Victoria Coren Mitchell is getting a bit of stick for defending Jimmy Carr and tweeting this.
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That also goes with what I was saying about him apparently being a nice guy in real life.
If people are starting to have a go at the very lovely Victoria Coren Mitchell, then the the gloves are off as far as I am concerned. Grrrr
Nick
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Can you honestly say you have never laughed at a joke about somebody dying?
There have been some pretty good Princess Diana jokes over the years.
Liquid Gold
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That wasn't a joke, the bloke was joyful and malicious about someone dying because they wrote a column about what a c**t he is. Coren not Carr
Nick
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Oh, that's different then. I thought you meant laughing at jokes about it which are sometimes pretty funny.
shmmeee
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What he’s referring to wasn’t a joke TBF, he was saying he was happy someone died because they’d been trolling him on Twitter.
Nick
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Yeah that's actually out of order.
Terry_dactyl
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Yeah, that was awful. Odious little shit.
Terry_dactyl
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I guess that’s cos there’s more room for discussion and more of a variety of opinions.
rob9872
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rob9872
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Presumably Giles? Not heard that, shame if true as I usually find his stuff excellent.
Nick
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TomRad85
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Alan Dugdales Moustache
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Jimmy Carr is a twat. Simple as that. Or should I say c**t, to coin a word he loves to use.