Bin Strikes (25 Viewers)

[Evo1883]

That's the way to win as sadly from speaking to people they are sadly on the main not on the drivers side, Also there was a rubbish drop off place in Wllenhall that had to remind people that the staff there are not council refuge workers and could people kindly stop abusing them.

The 2 tier wages with longer service meaning less is the best message to get out there as sadly most people seem to think you are just asking for a big wage rise for no reason.

They don't abuse the workers on London Road on strike , from experience that is

 

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[Evo1883]

So are they just asking for old recruits to be brought up the same as new ones who won't get paid more?

None of the publicity stuff really says that.

Pretty much ..

Alot of misinformation about average wages etc to fuel public anger too

 

[Nick]

Pretty much ..

Alot of misinformation about average wages etc to fuel public anger too

I'm on about from the Union and the workers though.

Are the new staff on strike? Are they asking for more too?

 

[Marty]

Absolutely

So you get a huge pension plus all the half day finishes you were boasting about, but you want the same pay as others that don't receive those things and are actually worse off by being in a 10k more paying job.

Nice to see the truth outing itself.

 

[Evo1883]

I appreciate its a public service , I too use the service .

Every worker has the right to strike to better themselves ... that's what we've done , within law

 

[Evo1883]

I'm on about from the Union and the workers though.

Are the new staff on strike? Are they asking for more too?

New staff that are in the union are striking too , in solidarity with workers

They won't receive more money based on a grade 5 levelling .

Workers generally don't cross a picket line

 

[Evo1883]

So you get a huge pension plus all the half day finishes you were boasting about, but you want the same pay as others that don't receive those things and are actually worse off by being in a 10k more paying job.

Nice to see the truth outing itself.

Huge pension is a stretch .. back when I was finishing early I was working on the agency , and was driving as a spare driver picking up mostly extras .

I now work 37.5 hours over 5 days on commercial.

 

[Nick]

New staff that are in the union are striking too , in solidarity with workers

They won't receive more money based on a grade 5 levelling .

Workers generally don't cross a picket line

So they won't get any increase in wages or benefits compared to people who have been there longer?

I don't get why the Argument you give isn't being put across that some get paid more than others.

Unite are painting a completely different picture

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Every worker has the right to strike to better themselves

They do, and philosophically I've no real issue with people trying to lift themselves up, the same as private sector should maybe strike for better conditions (although reading your posts, I'm thinking I need to agitate for a strike for myself, now!)

It's fair to say public opinion is... split however, around where I live anyway. What virtually nobody will argue with, however, is the get paid the same as a new starter, if that's what the employers think the job's worth. Cut out all the rest, and that's a lot easier to sell if it goes on and on.

 

[Evo1883]

So they won't get any increase in wages or benefits compared to people who have been there longer?

I don't get why the Argument you give isn't being put across that some get paid more than others.

Unite are painting a completely different picture

I'm on the sick mate , I'm at the point where I hope in several weeks I go back to work and it's resolved

 

[chiefdave]

So you get a huge pension plus all the half day finishes you were boasting about, but you want the same pay as others that don't receive those things and are actually worse off by being in a 10k more paying job.

Nice to see the truth outing itself.

That's not what he's said. They want the same wages that the council are paying to new recruits to do exactly the same job with exactly the same terms and conditions.

 

[Evo1883]

They do, and philosophically I've no real issue with people trying to lift themselves up, the same as private sector should maybe strike for better conditions (although reading your posts, I'm thinking I need to agitate for a strike for myself, now!)

It's fair to say public opinion is... split however, around where I live anyway. What virtually nobody will argue with, however, is the get paid the same as a new starter, if that's what the employers think the job's worth. Cut out all the rest, and that's a lot easier to sell if it goes on and on.

The public will always have issues with people that offer them a service weekly going on strike more than somebody who works in a car factory ..

 

[Nick]

That's not what he's said. They want the same wages that the council are paying to new recruits to do exactly the same job with exactly the same terms and conditions.

I don't get why you don't see that publicised though? By the workers interviewed or the Union.

I wouldn't know that if Evo hadnt posted it.

The Union are comparing it to drivers in general.

 

[David O'Day]

They don't abuse the workers on London Road on strike , from experience that is

Maybe not but the messaging isn't great at the moment.

 

[Evo1883]

Maybe not but the messaging isn't great at the moment.

I agree , partly council , partly local media not being impartial and giving the council a free reign to spout nonsense and the union not wanting to stand on tiptoes and fuck things up legally

 

[Marty]

Huge pension is a stretch .. back when I was finishing early I was working on the agency , and was driving as a spare driver picking up mostly extras .

I now work 37.5 hours over 5 days on commercial.

Dumping 10k in a pension a year would return over 1 million in 30 years @8%.

 

[Nick]

I agree , partly council , partly local media not being impartial and giving the council a free reign to spout nonsense and the union not wanting to stand on tiptoes and fuck things up legally

Why not get it out there what you're saying? That's much more understandable.

As it's completely different when they are comparing to other driving jobs

 

[rob9872]

I'm on the sick mate , I'm at the point where I hope in several weeks I go back to work and it's resolved

Soif you're not getting paid and you're not on the picket line, I assume you're at least getting SSP? Otherwise how are you managing (sorry if it's your savings and no need to reply if it's personal)

 

[Evo1883]

Lads look , at this moment in time I've recently had a heart issue and am off work for several more weeks .

I can't look for other work as my license has been revoked for another 4 weeks atleast .
I hope that in several weeks time it's all resolved .


I don't care about this even as a resident as much as I should right now as its just not really my main concern right now

 

[Nick]

Lads look , at this moment in time I've recently had a heart issue and am off work for several more weeks .

I can't look for other work as my license has been revoked for another 4 weeks atleast .
I hope that in several weeks time it's all resolved .


I don't care about this even as a resident as much as I should right now as its just not really my main concern right now

I don't think anybody is getting at you personally. I'm not.

You are making a better argument than the Union.

 

[Evo1883]

I don't think anybody is getting at you personally. I'm not.

You are making a better argument than the Union.

No I know , I'm trying to answer questions but the reality is I can't even go on the picket line atm so a bit out the loop .

I know the general gist

 

[Evo1883]

And to answer Rob.

I'm on half sick pay , unfortunately I don't have the service years to qualify for longer full sick pay

Covid then this pretty much one after another that's almost 2 months on the sick

 

[rob9872]

Lads look , at this moment in time I've recently had a heart issue and am off work for several more weeks .

I can't look for other work as my license has been revoked for another 4 weeks atleast .
I hope that in several weeks time it's all resolved .


I don't care about this even as a resident as much as I should right now as its just not really my main concern right now

If we're gonna have that fight, it looks as if now might be my best opportunity

 

[Nick]

No I know , I'm trying to answer questions but the reality is I can't even go on the picket line atm so a bit out the loop .

I know the general gist

They are comparing it to drivers in general which is understandable why pay is different.

Tell them to say it's comparing long term staff to new recruits.

Although if you were agency within the last couple of years you should be on a new recruit wage

 

[Marty]

Typical left wing tactics, as soon as you get called out, play the victim.

I'm behind the council now, sack the lot and get contractors in. At least the tax payer wouldn't have the burden of the gold plated bin men pensions any more.

 

[David O'Day]

I agree , partly council , partly local media not being impartial and giving the council a free reign to spout nonsense and the union not wanting to stand on tiptoes and fuck things up legally

But as NW says and I agree you just need to simplify it and hammer home the fact that long term staff get paid less than new starters and you just want equality of pay. Only the toriest of tory cunts could argue against that.

Equal Job -Equal Pay

 

[Evo1883]

Typical left wing tactics, as soon as you get called out, play the victim.

I'm behind the council now, sack the lot and get contractors in. At least the tax payer wouldn't have the burden of the gold plated bin men pensions any more.

You're entitled to your opinion

 

[Nick]

But as NW says and I agree you just need to simplify it and hammer home the fact that long term staff get paid less than new starters and you just want equality of pay. Only the toriest of tory cunts could argue against that.

Equal Job -Equal Pay

When I'm agreeing with dod you know there's an issue

 

[Evo1883]

If we're gonna have that fight, it looks as if now might be my best opportunity

Not sure mate , 95% blockage to 0% , feel better in myself than i have done for a while , just some anxiety to get over is all

Eating less shite , no longer smoke cigarettes .

In a good place really

 

[Deleted member 5849]

just some anxiety to get over is all

Well I hope you do relatively easily.

 

[Evo1883]

@Deleted member 5849 there's all sorts going on in here , I'm being called left wing , would you agree mate

 

[Deleted member 5849]

@Deleted member 5849 there's all sorts going on in here , I'm being called left wing , would you agree mate

Errrm, you always have been left wing as far as I knew?!?

 

[Evo1883]

Errrm, you always have been left wing as far as I knew?!?

Yea but nobody's ever called me a left wing victim merchant that hurt mate ..

 

[Grendel]

The councils wages are below the market rate , it's quite simple , we are fighting to get to the market rate ..whilst retaining our working conditions

But not prepared to forsake public sector pension benefits?

 

[Grendel]

Unless I'm missing something the confusion is because some people are comparing the council to private employers where there are different terms and conditions.

The strikers aren't asking for pay to be matched to that offered by private employers, they're asking it to be matched to what the council is already paying new recruits and will have to pay to their replacements if the strikers were all to leave and work elsewhere.

yes you are missing something it’s nothing to do with new recruits