SlowerThanPlatt
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The reports from the Swansea fans and the QPR fan on here was that he’s a 6/10 performer nothing spectacular. That’s what we’re seeing but he’s not fitting into the way we want to play
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Grendel
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his point is if we’d actually wanted a go at promotion we wouldn’t have signed someone we didn’t need now and could find an alternative next season
Sky Blue Harry H
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New to the area, new club, new team-mates, new system. Needs time to get his feet under the table. He's solid and when he has settled in he'll be a decent option for us. I was happier about his signing than Todd Kane's at the time. Kane has won me over (if I ignore yesterday!). Think it will be similar with Bidwell for some,
Sky Blue Harry H
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It was the same about McNulty (McWankty) in L2.
Grendel
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Im not writing him off but his is he helping a promotion push in your view?
Sky Blue Harry H
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If/when he gets fitter, I think he may be able to adapt. Time will tell. Agree though, he hasn't got the Maatsen like nippiness, but probably has better defensive nous.
Sky Blue Harry H
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I've been tempted to do the Bidwell did well line, but I'm leaving it alone now.
Grendel
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We didn’t lack cover - we have Maatsen and Shipley and we did sign a LWB last season whose clearly a dud
I’d assumed Maatsen was out for the season when we signed him which clearly wasn’t the case
We’ve signed him on a long deal, extended godden till he’s nearly 34 and we’ve offered Allen a new deal yet he’s now down the pecking order against Shipley
baldy
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To be honest,there‘s been no reason to use that pun yet on early evidence
Evo1883
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Before posh away , would you have put Shipley in as a cover player at LWB ?
Frostie
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He is contributing. For example Maatsen was given a really tough time by Bowler for Blackpool, Bidwell pretty much shut him down when he came on.
He's not exactly hit the ground running admittedly but that was kind of the point of my previous post, it often takes time.
I wouldn't now
Evo1883
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Well neither would I, I'm just trying to gauge when people started seeing him as LWB Cover and can only assume its because he played well at posh
Frostie
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Exactly, there is so many more examples, that's why I restricted it to just the current squad.
Grendel
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But Maatsen is back and playing so why commit a 3 and a half year deal now on someone who won’t make a shred of difference in a top 6 challenge.
I’m not even negative about him - I’ve no idea if he’s good or not - I just don’t see the point
Grendel
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But will his position be key in a push for promotion?
Evo1883
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I'm guessing it's because the very nature of the wing back position , its demanding and we genuinley need cover , and Shipley isn't it
stupot07
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SlowerThanPlatt
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Not sure why he would be lacking fitness more than anyone else. He started 16 out of 20 games for Swansea this season
lord_garrincha
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It's not the same, but a few years ago Blackpool loaned in Seamus Coleman at RWB and they slipped into the top 6 & went up.
In his case it was, but a) normally not; and b) were the management 'pushing' for promotion.
Evo1883
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He was , scored a couple own goals at Oxford too ..
Only really appreciated once we switched to wing backs
Grendel
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But that’s not my point - cover isn’t a 3 and a half year deal for an experienced player. He and waghorn will be very well paid by our standards.
It’s not required this season is it?
shmmeee
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Dabo was awful first few games for us. Mostly because he was RB and not a RWB I think.
Sky Blue Harry H
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If Maatsen was out, it would be Shipley, or an injury affected Dabo as cover if Bidwell wasn't about - so yes.
DannyThomas_1981
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The Club/Manager can never win with you.
This time last year for example you were going totally mental about Gyo and Matty James being awful additions to the squad during the January transfer window.
Not all signings immediately work out - some never do but rushing to judgment over 3 games is insane.
Think the Bidwell deal was agreed and signed just before we realised Shipley could play LWB
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Sky Blue Harry H
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Although Shippers can play there, he isn't a consistent enough performer to rely on him. A much better attacker than Bidwell, but liable to go missing on occasions. Really hope Shipley can progress, as he is a local lad, and we'd all like to see him kick on.
steve cooper
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As others have said, it's way too early to write Bidwell off. On another thread someone said he didn't look happy yesterday, and didn't react when we scored.
I don't know his private life situation, and I doubt many / any of us do, but he has just moved across the country to a new environment. Some people take that in their stride, others don't, and need time to adjust and settle. He may be living on his own, or missing his friends / relatives, etc.
I understand that he is a professional footballer and should cope easily with that sort of thing, but everyone reacts differently to things like that. It can effect all sorts of things from energy levels, enthusiasm, to even whether they smile when we score.
Let's give him the rest of this season at least before writing him off as a dud.
On the subject, the same could easily apply to Tyler Walker at Portsmouth.
I don't know his private life situation, and I doubt many / any of us do, but he has just moved across the country to a new environment. Some people take that in their stride, others don't, and need time to adjust and settle. He may be living on his own, or missing his friends / relatives, etc.
I understand that he is a professional footballer and should cope easily with that sort of thing, but everyone reacts differently to things like that. It can effect all sorts of things from energy levels, enthusiasm, to even whether they smile when we score.
Let's give him the rest of this season at least before writing him off as a dud.
On the subject, the same could easily apply to Tyler Walker at Portsmouth.
We desperately needed him. Around the time of his signing we were playing a central midfielder at RWB and an attacking midfielder at LWB.
I think everyone was in agreement at the time we desperately needed a LWB and that he was a good signing.
He hasn't impressed so far, though it's very early days, but it was definitely the right thing to sign a LWB in January.
Of course we lacked cover ffs. Absurd to say otherwise.
And what LWB did we sign last season that's a dud?
Adge
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Would we? Some of us want to see him depart as he’s had long enough and is clearly not up to the level.