Brighton Sky Blue
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Liz Truss doesn’t know where Rostov on Don is
USSR invades Ukraine. (106 Viewers)
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Liz Truss doesn’t know where Rostov on Don is
Sick Boy
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Let's not forget this - Trump praises ‘genius’ Putin for moving troops to eastern Ukraine
From the home office statement it appears that they thought this was operational. Quite happy for government to take flak for strategy and decisions (for example I wouldn’t just ignored lawyers and froze/seized oligarchs assets and dealt with consequences after) but delivery of this is with civil servants and as with numerous instances at start of pandemic they’ve been found wanting. It’s pathetic in times of crisis
clint van damme
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So does Russia. This you've got more nazis's than us competition is embarrassing.
And before you say it, yes, the hard left are by far the worse culprits!
Grendel
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Brighton Sky Blue
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Joe ‘Where Am I’ Biden
Boris ‘Clown Hair’ Johnson
Emmanuel ‘Mr President’ Macron
Xi ‘New phone who dis’ Jinping
The dream team
Mucca Mad Boys
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To make a sweeping generalisation, there is a propensity in Russian politics to look to 'strongmen' politicians. If anything though, the way Putin utilises the Orthodox Church, he's modelling his leadership on a modern day Tsar.
For sure, I'm not disputing the extremism in that region.
My unpopular opinion is that had Trump been elected in 2020, this war wouldn't be happening now. The chaotic withdrawal in Afghanistan, slow arming of Ukraine and Biden's admission that Russia could get away with a 'small scale military operation' gave Putin the green lights he needed. The same could be said about Germany's Chancellor too.
Grendel
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None really matter but the president of the US
this isn’t a good look
Joe Biden flubs speech appearing to call Ukrainians ‘Iranian people’ during SOTU
The moment quickly went viral online as political pundits pounced on the video as a sign of the president’s declining mental sharpness.
www.independent.co.uk
Brighton Sky Blue
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None really matter but the president of the US
this isn’t a good look
Joe Biden flubs speech appearing to call Ukrainians ‘Iranian people’ during SOTU
The moment quickly went viral online as political pundits pounced on the video as a sign of the president’s declining mental sharpness.
In the 2020 race alone it was pretty obvious his team was hiding him from as many engagements as possible. The idea of Biden was more appealing than the reality.
Though really it’s not like the alternative wouldn’t have been even worse in this situation
clint van damme
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None really matter but the president of the US
this isn’t a good look
Joe Biden flubs speech appearing to call Ukrainians ‘Iranian people’ during SOTU
The moment quickly went viral online as political pundits pounced on the video as a sign of the president’s declining mental sharpness.
On the one hand its an easy slip of the tongue, on the other, given his sons transgressions, you'd think it would be one country he'd get right every time.
It’s frightening really. Even Merkel, who I’ve always thought was by far the best leader around, is having her legacy shredded by this mess.
The fact is though, however shit our leaders, thank fuck we live in a (relatively) free country. The Russians are there with their psycho dictator who’s been in power for 20 years imprisoning and killing political rivals, not giving a fuck about economic sanctions that will make the poorest even poorer, turning their country into a pariah state, taking the internet offline and pumping crap out across the airwaves 24/7. All this whilst squirrelling away hundreds of billions of the countries money for him and his cronies
None really matter but the president of the US
this isn’t a good look
Joe Biden flubs speech appearing to call Ukrainians ‘Iranian people’ during SOTU
The moment quickly went viral online as political pundits pounced on the video as a sign of the president’s declining mental sharpness.
Wow what a disastrous speech
Biden’s approval ratings rise after State of the Union address
An NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist National Poll showed president’s numbers are up eight points
www.independent.co.uk
Sick Boy
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The 'Biden speak' stuff from the Republican is pretty crass considering he has a stammer and is clearly managing it at times.
The Iranian gaffe is something different entirely though.
Grendel
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Wow what a disastrous speech
Biden’s approval ratings rise after State of the Union address
An NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist National Poll showed president’s numbers are up eight points
Oops hot off the press your internship isn’t training you very well
How Popular Is Joe Biden?
Latest polls on President Joe Biden’s approval ratings
The more and more I read about it the more I am convinced that Russia are absolutely fucked and Putin has made a huge mistake.
The army is seemingly on the verge of collapse, with untrained troops, poorly maintained and/or old equipment, lack of food and fuel.
The economy is on the verge of collapse.
I wonder if Putin started to genuinely believe his propaganda machine and thought Ukraine would either welcome his army with open arms or would be so weak they'd be destroyed very quickly.
Either way, it was a huge mistake and I don't see any way that Russia can win this war and they will suffer the consequences for a long time.
The army is seemingly on the verge of collapse, with untrained troops, poorly maintained and/or old equipment, lack of food and fuel.
The economy is on the verge of collapse.
I wonder if Putin started to genuinely believe his propaganda machine and thought Ukraine would either welcome his army with open arms or would be so weak they'd be destroyed very quickly.
Either way, it was a huge mistake and I don't see any way that Russia can win this war and they will suffer the consequences for a long time.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Putin assassinated someone on our own soil and we still sit here afraid to dare help a country he’s invading to fight back. Choosing not to act is what allows people like him to think he’s right and the one calling the shots.
Cue a certain someone with a rant on Islington lefties wanting Joe Bloggs to die on foreign soil
SkyBlueCharlie9
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Grendull speaking on behalf of the citizens of the largest country (by area) in the world..... classic.
Yeah 'old man has speech impediment' is not quite the zinger that people think it is
Oops hot off the press your internship isn’t training you very well
How Popular Is Joe Biden?
Latest polls on President Joe Biden’s approval ratingsprojects.fivethirtyeight.com
Biden has a low approval rating? Where are you getting this insider intel from?
Brighton Sky Blue
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I didn’t realise the American left was an arm of the GOP. He has made gaffes throughout his political career, I’m not on about a speech impediment which I also used to have
shmmeee
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clint van damme
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I'm not so sure mate, it seems Putin would have to have made a lot of bad calls for that narrative to play out and Im not convinced he hasnt got plans b, c and dup his sleeve.
I hope I'm wrong. There is an absolute deluge of contradictory information its hard to know what to believe.
Sick Boy
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I'm talking about the Republican in the Independent article and his tweets.
All politicians make gaffes, his seem to stick more though compared to others.
Grendel
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The military guy on bbc news has just said pretty much the opposite and that Ukraine is being taken apart and the only good news is a brief cease fire today to allow evacuation of civilians from areas that are totally under Russian control
I genuinely love the fact that you think we should do more militarily BSB. In my heart I’m 100% with you. But I can also see the other side of the argument. The potential risks involved, however small.
The mistake Nato made was not trying to at least draw some lines in the sand (other than don’t invade a NATO member) or at least leave our involvement ambiguous. Biden suggesting they would almost accept a small incursion, us/NATO saying we can’t get involved militarily, some European allies not helping to arm Ukraine before this kicked off etc. If we’d said we won’t get involved militarily but if there’s war crimes/attacks on civilian areas nothing is off the table. May not have made much of a difference but may have at least left Putin with something to think about
Yeah there certainly is a lot of contradictory information that's for sure. That's just my opinion from all that I've read, I could be ery wrong of course!
I do think they are in a desperate situation though, and the plans B, C and D that you mention are probably just to escalate the leveling of the cities. I think they've realised they are struggling on the ground war hence the increased indiscriminate shelling. That's not usually a tactic of someone who thinks they can take a city and plan to occupy it afterwards.
Brighton Sky Blue
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He has a long history of sinking his own campaigns through his own blunders. The famous example being to copy a Neil Kinnock speech but the 2020 campaigns saw him being quite deliberately kept out of the way whereas most other campaigns would keep their candidate as visible as possible.
Looking at how Biden took apart Paul Ryan in 2012 for example he comes over as more quick witted and sharper on the uptake. Perception is reality and Putin probably perceives him as a harmless bumbling old man
video done rounds the other day of a dad and son driving there dogs and got ambushed, ripped the car to bits dad and son, and 2/3 dogs died the aftermath was horrible, the russians just dumped there bodys in a ditch, the son was recording and pretty much recorded his and his dads death, i still have the links in a dc server but to grimm to show here,
Sick Boy
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Yeah, I get the impression that Putin likely hasn't seen any western leader as a threat for a long time.
Brighton Sky Blue
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I think allowing Ukraine to be bombed, burned and laid under siege is a moment in history we will come to regret more than refusing to do anything so as to appease this man.
We told the Czechs to accept it for the greater good in the belief it would stop there. It didn’t because our opponent didn’t care for international treaties and was emboldened by his success. No Putin will not go for world domination, but he clearly does want to resurrect the state he grew up in.
Stop watching GBeebies then.