USSR invades Ukraine. (26 Viewers)

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Otis

Otis

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SBT said:
Wow what a disastrous speech

www.independent.co.uk

Biden’s approval ratings rise after State of the Union address

An NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist National Poll showed president’s numbers are up eight points
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George Bush Jnr used to make loads of such faux pas.

Doesn't excuse it though. Biden was too old for the presidential office.

I think for many it was an "anyone but Trump" stance.
 
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SBT

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Otis said:
George Bush Jnr used to make loads of such faux pas.

Doesn't excuse it though. Biden was too old for the presidential office.

I think for many it was an "anyone but Trump" stance.
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Biden wouldn’t have been my pick for president, but he had/has a much larger base of support than most people realise. Many people on here predicted he would fail in the primaries and the general but they were wrong.

In any case, to bring it back on topic, if Putin did decide to invade Ukraine based on a few Sleepy Joe memes, it was a terrible idea on his part. The US has done a good job of steering a co-ordinated international response in terms of financial sanctions, and a lot of that is due to the experience and international credibility that Biden and his team have. Looking at it in terms of “Haha Biden is old so Putin thinks he can take him” is just playground stuff.
 
clint van damme

clint van damme

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Biden wouldn’t have been my pick for president, but he had/has a much larger base of support than most people realise. Many people on here predicted he would fail in the primaries and the general but they were wrong.

In any case, to bring it back on topic, if Putin did decide to invade Ukraine based on a few Sleepy Joe memes, it was a terrible idea on his part. The US has done a good job of steering a co-ordinated international response in terms of financial sanctions, and a lot of that is due to the experience and international credibility that Biden and his team have. Looking at it in terms of “Haha Biden is old so Putin thinks he can take him” is just playground stuff.
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Putin hoodwinked Bush Junior by wearing a cross to a meeting, that's an incredible level of gullibility for a POTUS.
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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Otis said:


This is the Russia I know. It's amazing just how blinkered and blinded they are and of course how controlling the media is over there.
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I found that interesting. It felt like there was a bit of a mix of those who were taken in by the propaganda, a few that weren't and others who just seemed to be too scared to dissent. Obviously you can't know how representative that is of the public as a whole (they may not have approached certain people because they'd have likely reported them to authorities).
 
LastGarrison

LastGarrison

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Kieranp96 said:
video done rounds the other day of a dad and son driving there dogs and got ambushed, ripped the car to bits dad and son, and 2/3 dogs died the aftermath was horrible, the russians just dumped there bodys in a ditch, the son was recording and pretty much recorded his and his dads death, i still have the links in a dc server but to grimm to show here,
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I get sent, and watch, loads of grim stuff but couldn’t watch that till the end.

Horrifying.
 
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SBT

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clint van damme said:
Putin hoodwinked Bush Junior by wearing a cross to a meeting, that's an incredible level of gullibility for a POTUS.
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Oh yeah, that was insane. The Republicans have been all over the place on Russia for decades now. Come to think of it the Democrats have been too!
 
Tommo1993

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Sick Boy said:
Apparently the vile cunts aren’t actually observing the ceasefire to let civilians leave.
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Imagine my shock. They’re idiotic enough to open fire at a nuclear plant, and have already killed enough civilians prior to the ceasefire. Disregarding it will surprise nobody. Fucking animals.
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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Grendel said:
No it doesn’t starving was a euphemism for restrictions
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Do you understand English? A euphemism is a milder word used instead of what would be considered an unpleasant term. Restrictions could be used as a euphemism for starving. Not the other way round.

Maybe you meant dysphemism or synonym (although strictly speaking it isn't)
 
Grendel

Grendel

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Do you understand English? A euphemism is a milder word used instead of what would be considered an unpleasant term. Restrictions could be used as a euphemism for starving. Not the other way round.

Maybe you meant dysphemism or synonym (although strictly speaking it isn't)
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In relation to Ukraine which was my key point it was a milder term as what they will actually do is bomb the fuck out of them

PVA thought I was referring to sanctions having an impact on Russia when I made the comment
 
Grendel

Grendel

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
I found that interesting. It felt like there was a bit of a mix of those who were taken in by the propaganda, a few that weren't and others who just seemed to be too scared to dissent. Obviously you can't know how representative that is of the public as a whole (they may not have approached certain people because they'd have likely reported them to authorities).
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do you have any understanding of the Russian mentality at all?
 
Sky Blue Pete

Sky Blue Pete

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Grendel said:
What of course doesn’t help is at this time you have to have some semblance of strength in the White House - not a bumbling fool who looks like he’s on day release from a care home
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Always someone else’s fault isn’t it. Johnson is a twat only because Corbyn and putin wouldn’t be doing what he’s doing if not for Biden.
Good job it’s not trump otherwise he might be siding with Russia
 
Grendel

Grendel

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Sky Blue Pete said:
Always someone else’s fault isn’t it. Johnson is a twat only because Corbyn and putin wouldn’t be doing what he’s doing if not for Biden.
Good job it’s not trump otherwise he might be siding with Russia
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I doubt trump would do much different but unless you believe sanctions will bring Russia down (I don’t) then there will at a point in time have to be a negotiated settlement and I don’t see Biden as being remotely capable
 
Mucca Mad Boys

Mucca Mad Boys

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Sky Blue Pete said:
Always someone else’s fault isn’t it. Johnson is a twat only because Corbyn and putin wouldn’t be doing what he’s doing if not for Biden.
Good job it’s not trump otherwise he might be siding with Russia
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Trump wouldn’t be siding with Russia and he put Putin on notice by flattening Russian mercenaries in Syria.

Trump was bombastic and diplomatically abrasive, but it’s absolutely no coincidence that Russia’s aggression against Ukraine under two Democrat presidencies.

One thing Biden has done well is publicly expose Russia’s moves in advance which has probably heightened the outrage in The West. In turn, you could argue this has created a united front in the West in relation to sanctions and commitment to NATO. Indeed, historically neutral countries want to join and member countries are actually committing to NATO’s defence spending requirements.
 
Grendel

Grendel

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Mucca Mad Boys said:
Trump wouldn’t be siding with Russia and he put Putin on notice by flattening Russian mercenaries in Syria.

Trump was bombastic and diplomatically abrasive, but it’s absolutely no coincidence that Russia’s aggression against Ukraine under two Democrat presidencies.

One thing Biden has done well is publicly expose Russia’s moves in advance which has probably heightened the outrage in The West. In turn, you could argue this has created a united front in the West in relation to sanctions and commitment to NATO. Indeed, historically neutral countries want to join and member countries are actually committing to NATO’s defence spending requirements.
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It exposes the cyber war nonsense as well that Putin wanted Trump in power
 
Sky Blue Pete

Sky Blue Pete

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Kieranp96 said:
video done rounds the other day of a dad and son driving there dogs and got ambushed, ripped the car to bits dad and son, and 2/3 dogs died the aftermath was horrible, the russians just dumped there bodys in a ditch, the son was recording and pretty much recorded his and his dads death, i still have the links in a dc server but to grimm to show here,
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Biden and Corbyn and probably sultanas fault
 
Grendel

Grendel

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SBT said:
Never been! Heard it’s a “proud resolute and loyal nation” though.

Was it business or pleasure?
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Always business. Which I think makes it easier - ironically the big Stalinist airport immigration was never hard to get through compared to many countries

Aeroflot is interesting

the views in general of the people at the time was very positive to Putin
 
Flying Fokker

Flying Fokker

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Mucca Mad Boys said:
To make a sweeping generalisation, there is a propensity in Russian politics to look to 'strongmen' politicians. If anything though, the way Putin utilises the Orthodox Church, he's modelling his leadership on a modern day Tsar.

For sure, I'm not disputing the extremism in that region.

My unpopular opinion is that had Trump been elected in 2020, this war wouldn't be happening now. The chaotic withdrawal in Afghanistan, slow arming of Ukraine and Biden's admission that Russia could get away with a 'small scale military operation' gave Putin the green lights he needed. The same could be said about Germany's Chancellor too.
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Who knows? Trump may have had Putin's attention a bit better than the current incumbent. The geopolitics of the whole region is steeped in the history of aggression, brinkmanship and genocide.

The news coming out of Serbia is yet another example of how these countries roll. Croatia will be a bit twitchy now as well.
 
Mucca Mad Boys

Mucca Mad Boys

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Grendel said:
It exposes the cyber war nonsense as well that Putin wanted Trump in power
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Trump was more unpredictable whereas Biden could be read like a book, Putin’s calculus was something like:
- The US and NATO had no intention placing troops in Ukraine
- The US (in particular) had no appetite to even risk conflict
- US and allies would be slow to support Ukraine with military equipment

The Afghan withdrawal was a huge blow to the Biden administration. Trump said he wanted to withdraw, but didn’t because probably was advised (as was Biden) something along the lines of a Taliban victory. Intelligence expected this outcome but was surprised by the collapse of the Government forces.

In fairness to Trump, and I’m not a fan of him, he definitely displayed to USA’s enemies that has not to be taken lightly and he was taken seriously. He was just bombastic and unconventional in his approach which put off a lot of western commentators.
 
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SBT

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Grendel said:
Always business. Which I think makes it easier - ironically the big Stalinist airport immigration was never hard to get through compared to many countries

Aeroflot is interesting

the views in general of the people at the time was very positive to Putin
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Cool story!

On a completely unrelated note, you’re still against any kind of sanction on doing business with Russia, right?
 
Grendel

Grendel

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SBT said:
Cool story!

On a completely unrelated note, you’re still against any kind of sanction on doing business with Russia, right?
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Well it’s not a story it’s a fact but whatever - it’s hardly a particularly radical place to work in

My belief is sanctions will not impact Putin at all - it will cause some issues for the people but it will be sold on the basis the west has continued its isolation policy and frankly Putin doesn’t care about its impact

Putin of course would have some difficulty if energy supplies were rejected by Europe as it would massively effect his long term capability but of course he will defeat Ukraine no one thinks he won’t - it’s then how long we think occupation would be funded but Putin will not back down

The folly anyway is it will impact Ukraine and it’s citizens far more than Russia as the brutality will increase
 
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