USSR invades Ukraine. (54 Viewers)

[PVA]

Of course it’s not the main source but it does give a career history which in Trent’s case suggests his military knowledge is somewhat suspect

I’m sure you’ve read a lot on twitter but sadly it’s not really a place to go with a war - people make things up

They have taken the two major southern cities above crimea Mariupol and Khersen they are landing in Kharkiv have laid siege on a major airport and of course control the nuclear plant which gives 25% of Ukrainian energy

They have moved it seems to Bobyvritsa (?) near to the capital

I’m sure Putin expected less resistance but he has massive military might and you really seem to hoping rather than facing reality that this is going to get very ugly

When in your view will the sanctions work and the army as you put it “collapse”?

So they've taken the 11th and 17th largest cities in Ukraine.

That is not 'the majority of large cities'

It's as bad as your 'no Eastern European countries have joined NATO in the last 20 years' claim.

I don't know if the army will collapse tomorrow, next week, next month, next year or when. But if things carry on as they are, it will happen, sooner than you think.

 

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[Grendel]

So they've taken the 11th and 17th largest cities in Ukraine.

That is not 'the majority of large cities'

It's as bad as your 'no Eastern European countries have joined NATO in the last 20 years' claim.

I don't know if the army will collapse tomorrow, next week, next month, next year or when. But if things carry on as they are, it will happen, sooner than you think.

You said on the verge of collapse so I want a timeframe please

 

[Sick Boy]

I get the impression we’re moving towards Putin labelling western sanctions and arming Ukraine as something close to a declaration of war and making further nuclear threats unless it ends.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

The whole reason Putin invaded was his concern about Ukraine's possible future membership of NATO and therefore a NATO country on his border.
Heard John Humphries on BBC today saying opinion in Finland has now jumped from roughly 30% of population wishing to join NATO to over 50% .
It's a small population of less than 6 million with a border with Russia of over 850 miles.
Just thinking about the irony of invading Ukraine as far as the possible consequences there might be of having another neighbour suddenly wanting NATO membership.

 

[duffer]

Usual tosh from Grendel. It's patently obvious that sanctions are having an impact on the Russian economy.

Whether it's enough to alter Putin's behaviour in Ukraine is certainly debatable, but it's obviously hurting which is why Putin is calling them an 'act of war'.

I can't understand why anyone other than a Putin apologist would stand against sanctions. What's interesting is how far this Government is behind the EU in applying them... I thought Brexit was about making us more efficient than the lumbering, bureaucratic, continental Europeans...

UK looking at ways to speed up sanctions against Russian oligarchs

EU accuses UK of lagging behind as Whitehall source says it is ‘weeks behind where it should be’

www.theguardian.com

 

[Grendel]

The whole reason Putin invaded was his concern about Ukraine's possible future membership of NATO and therefore a NATO country on his border.
Heard John Humphries on BBC today saying opinion in Finland has now jumped from roughly 30% of population wishing to join NATO to over 50% .
It's a small population of less than 6 million with a border with Russia of over 850 miles.
Just thinking about the irony of invading Ukraine as far as the possible consequences there might be of having another neighbour suddenly wanting NATO membership.

But David said Finland don’t want to be in nato

 

[PVA]

You said on the verge of collapse so I want a timeframe please

I've just said I don't know.

I'd like an explanation as to how to the 11th and 17th largest cities constitutes 'the majority of large cities'.

 

[Grendel]

Usual tosh from Grendel. It's patently obvious that sanctions are having an impact on the Russian economy.

Whether it's enough to alter Putin's behaviour in Ukraine is certainly debatable, but it's obviously hurting which is why Putin is calling them an 'act of war'.

I can't understand why anyone other than a Putin apologist would stand against sanctions. What's interesting is how far this Government is behind the EU in applying them... I thought Brexit was about making us more efficient than the lumbering, bureaucratic, continental Europeans...

UK looking at ways to speed up sanctions against Russian oligarchs

EU accuses UK of lagging behind as Whitehall source says it is ‘weeks behind where it should be’

www.theguardian.com

Putin apologist, appeasement, brexit wow it’s bullshit bingo night down in SBT

 

[PVA]

The whole reason Putin invaded was his concern about Ukraine's possible future membership of NATO and therefore a NATO country on his border.

I'm not so sure. That's certainly an element of it.

I think a lot it is mostly he's just an old school imperialist who wants the old Soviet Union back. That's what his mad rambling speech on the eve of war suggested anyway.

 

[Grendel]

I get the impression we’re moving towards Putin labelling western sanctions and arming Ukraine as something close to a declaration of war and making further nuclear threats unless it ends.

Well he’s already said it but it’s actually the suggestion a no fly zone would be enforced which he’s said is a direct act of war

So there will not be a no fly zone

 

[Grendel]

Actually @SBT @duffer @PVA zelensky is demanding nato enforce a no fly zone across the whole of Ukraine or the blood will be on the West hands

should this be enforced?

 

[duffer]

Putin apologist, appeasement, brexit wow it’s bullshit bingo night down in SBT

Mate, there would be no point playing bullshit bingo against you; you'd have the house before anyone else could get a line!

 

[Grendel]

Mate, there would be no point playing bullshit bingo against you; you'd have the house before anyone else could get a line!

Well I’ve asked you a question what’s your answer?

 

[Tommo1993]

Another post turns into a weird little spat.

 

[SBT]

Actually @SBT @duffer @PVA zelensky is demanding nato enforce a no fly zone across the whole of Ukraine or the blood will be on the West hands

should this be enforced?

No, IMO. The economic sanctions are our leverage here (at least for the time being). Much rather be doing that than starting WW3.

 

[Grendel]

Another post turns into a weird little spat.

Bit more than a spat - agree to a no fly come and it’s WW3

 

[Otis]

This is very odd



His hand actually goes through the microphone

 

[duffer]

Actually @SBT @duffer @PVA zelensky is demanding nato enforce a no fly zone across the whole of Ukraine or the blood will be on the West hands

should this be enforced?

Bless. Wrong again. Nuance isn't your strong suit.

I don't think I've 'demanded' a no fly zone, though I've suggested it might be worth considering on the balance of risk if Putin starts firing at nuclear power stations.

Basically you're just making stuff up in your usual, lazy, arrogant matter to deflect from the fact that you'd literally do nothing.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I get the impression we’re moving towards Putin labelling western sanctions and arming Ukraine as something close to a declaration of war and making further nuclear threats unless it ends.

Already done it.

Bit amateur psychologist here but I think it shows his frustration at the way this has panned out so far. He thought either the West would rush in to help or Ukraine would fall quickly if they didn't.

Ukraine are resisting admirably and the west aren't taking the bait doing things militarily that would allow him to use it as an excuse to the Russian people of Western aggression and therefore war against them. So now he's trying to fit the actions that have been taken into that narrative of being an act of war.

I guess he thinks that as we've held back militarily due to the threat of war with Russia if he moves the goalposts to include sanctions the west will lift them to prevent war. I think once again he'll be sadly disappointed.

 

[Grendel]

Bless. Wrong again. Nuance isn't your strong suit.

I don't think I've 'demanded' a no fly zone, though I've suggested it might be worth considering on the balance of risk if Putin starts firing at nuclear power stations.

Basically you're just making stuff up in your usual, lazy, arrogant matter to deflect from the fact that you'd literally do nothing.

I said Zelensky has and tagged you - are you actuality the Ukrainian PM? Wow

 

[Flying Fokker]

Sat, 5 March 2022, 4:26 pm


LONDON (Reuters) - President Vladimir Putin said on Saturday that Western sanctions on Russia were akin to a declaration of war and warned that any attempt to impose a no-fly zone in Ukraine would lead to catastrophic consequences for the world.
Putin reiterated that his aims were to defend Russian- speaking communities through the "demilitarisation and de-Nazification" of the country so that Russia's former Soviet neighbour became neutral and no longer threatened Russia.
Ukraine and Western countries have dismissed this as a baseless pretext for the invasion he launched on Feb. 24 and have imposed a sweeping range of sanctions aimed at isolating Moscow.
"These sanctions that are being imposed are akin to a declaration of war but thank God it has not come to that," Putin said, speaking to a group of flight attendants at an Aeroflot training centre near Moscow.

He said any attempt by another power to impose a no-fly zone in Ukraine would be considered by Russia to be a step into the military conflict. Such a step he said would have catastrophic consequences for Europe and the world.
The NATO military alliance has rejected Kyiv's request for a no-fly zone, on the grounds it would escalate the war beyond Ukraine into a far wider conflict, potentially pitting the United States against Russia.
'GOING TO PLAN'
Asked about reports that Russian conscripts had been used in Ukraine, Putin said none had been involved and said the military operation was going to plan.
"There is not one conscript and we don't plan for there to be," Putin said. "Our army will fulfil all the tasks. I don't doubt that at all. Everything is going to plan."
That description was at odds with assessments from U.S. and British officials. British military intelligence said on Thursday that Russia's advance on the Ukrainian capital had made little progress and encountered staunch resistance.
Putin dismissed concerns that some sort of martial law or emergency situation could be declared in Russia. He said such a measure was imposed only when there was significant internal or external threat.
"We don't plan to introduce any kind of special regime on Russian territory - there is currently no need," Putin said.
Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said that the West was behaving like a bandit by cutting economic relations over the conflict in Ukraine but that Russia was far too big to be isolated as the world was much larger than just the United States and Europe.
(Reporting by Reuters; Editing by Frances Kerry)

 

[Grendel]

Bless. Wrong again. Nuance isn't your strong suit.

I don't think I've 'demanded' a no fly zone, though I've suggested it might be worth considering on the balance of risk if Putin starts firing at nuclear power stations.

Basically you're just making stuff up in your usual, lazy, arrogant matter to deflect from the fact that you'd literally do nothing.

This literally is David Brent posting

 

[Finham]

I get the impression we’re moving towards Putin labelling western sanctions and arming Ukraine as something close to a declaration of war and making further nuclear threats unless it ends.

I think his comments about sanctions being a declaration of war imply that he doesn't like the impact that they are having. Therefore of course they must continue as it's pretty much all we can do.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

I get the impression we’re moving towards Putin labelling western sanctions and arming Ukraine as something close to a declaration of war and making further nuclear threats unless it ends.

Let him crack on. Even if he’s unbalanced and feeling suicidal… His kleptocrat friends probably don’t and will probably move against him if the prospect of nuclear Armageddon became a real possibility rather than aggressive posturing.

Putin’s power has always been based on the support of the oligarchs he’s allowed to get richer and richer. They probably do not share his desires for nuclear war.

This reeks of desperation on Russia’s part because their war has not been met with with passive resistance from the West and indeed, Ukraine itself.

This war will bleed Russia. The Ukrainians will not submit to them.

 

[Finham]

Putin apologist, appeasement, brexit wow it’s bullshit bingo night down in SBT

What's with your avatar?

 

[duffer]

Another post turns into a weird little spat.

For which I apologise. The long and short of it is that I'm tired of a certain poster's arrogant bullshit and unnecessary insults.

I could live with it until he got all upset at being called out on it; hypocrisy triggers me I guess.

I'll stick to the points and just ignore the stupid stuff...

 

[Grendel]

For which I apologise. The long and short of it is that I'm tired of a certain poster's arrogant bullshit and unnecessary insults.

I could live with it until he got all upset at being called out on it; hypocrisy triggers me I guess.

I'll stick to the points and just ignore the stupid stuff...

I tagged you and asked a question

Your roundabout answer was pretty frightening to be honest

 

[Finham]

Mate, there would be no point playing bullshit bingo against you; you'd have the house before anyone else could get a line!

Key line at 30 secs, "It's surprisingly simple to get total strangers completely furious with you".

Grendel is an energy vampire like Colin Robinson and I claim my five pounds.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Sat, 5 March 2022, 4:26 pm


LONDON (Reuters) - President Vladimir Putin said on Saturday that Western sanctions on Russia were akin to a declaration of war and warned that any attempt to impose a no-fly zone in Ukraine would lead to catastrophic consequences for the world.
Putin reiterated that his aims were to defend Russian- speaking communities through the "demilitarisation and de-Nazification" of the country so that Russia's former Soviet neighbour became neutral and no longer threatened Russia.
Ukraine and Western countries have dismissed this as a baseless pretext for the invasion he launched on Feb. 24 and have imposed a sweeping range of sanctions aimed at isolating Moscow.
"These sanctions that are being imposed are akin to a declaration of war but thank God it has not come to that," Putin said, speaking to a group of flight attendants at an Aeroflot training centre near Moscow.

He said any attempt by another power to impose a no-fly zone in Ukraine would be considered by Russia to be a step into the military conflict. Such a step he said would have catastrophic consequences for Europe and the world.
The NATO military alliance has rejected Kyiv's request for a no-fly zone, on the grounds it would escalate the war beyond Ukraine into a far wider conflict, potentially pitting the United States against Russia.
'GOING TO PLAN'
Asked about reports that Russian conscripts had been used in Ukraine, Putin said none had been involved and said the military operation was going to plan.
"There is not one conscript and we don't plan for there to be," Putin said. "Our army will fulfil all the tasks. I don't doubt that at all. Everything is going to plan."
That description was at odds with assessments from U.S. and British officials. British military intelligence said on Thursday that Russia's advance on the Ukrainian capital had made little progress and encountered staunch resistance.
Putin dismissed concerns that some sort of martial law or emergency situation could be declared in Russia. He said such a measure was imposed only when there was significant internal or external threat.
"We don't plan to introduce any kind of special regime on Russian territory - there is currently no need," Putin said.
Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said that the West was behaving like a bandit by cutting economic relations over the conflict in Ukraine but that Russia was far too big to be isolated as the world was much larger than just the United States and Europe.
(Reporting by Reuters; Editing by Frances Kerry)

He seems to be tying himself in knots here.

Wasn't the premise of invasion that they had to strike first because Ukraine/the West were planning to invade Russia? So wouldn't that be a significant external threat? Which he says there currently isn't as there's no need to bring in martial law or declare an emergency?

Also sets himself up there. Cos now he's said he won't declare those things if he does that would be the first step in losing the faith of the Russian people as he would have said something that turned out to not be true. So they'll start asking what else might not be true.

 

[Finham]

This is very odd



His hand actually goes through the microphone

Conspiracy theory on first viewing: he's not actually there but miles away somewhere safe and this has been beamed in remotely! Hence the stares into distance and lack of any reaction from the people around him.

 

[Otis]

Conspiracy theory on fist viewing: he's not actually there but miles away somewhere safe and this has been beamed in remotely! Hence the stares into distance and lack of any reaction from the people around him.

Green screen I think. Must be. Superimposed onto the footage

 

[Great_Expectations]

Point scoring on a thread like this is entirely pathetic.

Way too much hypocrisy, whataboutery and Jonny Opposite going on.

Shame as there’s some good points and insight amongst the nonsense.

 

[PVA]

This is very odd



His hand actually goes through the microphone

Presumably green screen shenanigans, guessing he's making sure not to give away any clues to his location or making sure people can't see he's hiding in a bunker like a pussy

 

[Finham]

Presumably green screen shenanigans, guessing he's making sure not to give away any clues to his location or making sure people can't see he's hiding in a bunker like a pussy

Indeed, if he's actually there doesn't he make people sit 10 feet away from him?

 

[skybluetony176]

You said on the verge of collapse so I want a timeframe please

You do understand that you’re a grown man? You sound like a kid having a tantrum. I know you’re having a hard time because it must be dawning on you that you were duped into being a Putin asset but holy shit.