SIR ERNIE
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yes isn't it great that the UK have posturing lightweights like Truss, Wallace and Johnson wagging their fingers at Putin and getting under his skin.
Just STF up.
USSR invades Ukraine. (12 Viewers)
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yes isn't it great that the UK have posturing lightweights like Truss, Wallace and Johnson wagging their fingers at Putin and getting under his skin.
Just STF up.
Sick Boy
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Exactly, there’s no detail to it whatsoever and his track record in the detail is dreadful.
Sick Boy
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@Grendel are you Peter Hitchens?
www.dailymail.co.uk
PETER HITCHENS: One glorious day in Sevastopol, I saw what was coming
PETER HITCHENS: In the long-ago summer of 2010, I found myself in the harbour of Sevastopol, surveying the rival fleets of Russia and Ukraine as they rode at anchor in the lovely Crimean sunshine.
eastwoodsdustman
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You’re 100% right. People are moaning about Boris’s and Britains response but we have led the way in support for Ukraine to see off the Russain invasion and Russia well know this.
Compare Boris’s actions to those of Macron,the wannabe leader of Europe, and to the initial silence in the main from the Germans and like it or not, Boris has shown Europe the way on supporting Ukraine.
Ive got my Tinfoil hat at the ready for the whatabouttery onslaught.
Sick Boy
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Have you got any figures on how ‘Boris’ is leading the way?
clint van damme
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How much does Macron charge to play tennis with an oligarchs wife?
Grendel
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Yes it’s nonsense to suggest the USSR theory
The nato element was clearly an annoyance but it’s putins religious obsession which seems the main driving force behind his theories and “reasoning”
In reality Ukraine has really been Russian until around 30 years ago or I suppose the pendants will say a century
Grendel
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a suitability childish and irrelevant response
Grendel
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@Grendel are you Peter Hitchens?
PETER HITCHENS: One glorious day in Sevastopol, I saw what was coming
PETER HITCHENS: In the long-ago summer of 2010, I found myself in the harbour of Sevastopol, surveying the rival fleets of Russia and Ukraine as they rode at anchor in the lovely Crimean sunshine.
ha ha an interesting article just read it don’t think it’s going to be too popular on here
Grendel
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The curious thing I do not understand regarding the EU is the totally disjointed approach regarding strategy communication. Where was macron appointed chief negotiator?
clint van damme
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clint van damme
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Not at all. You think the tory parties closeness tothepeiple they're supposed to be sanctioning isn't relevant? That's a weird take.
And of course if this was a Labour government you wouldn't mention it.
eastwoodsdustman
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Bingo. He doesn’t he just cosys up to their leader and comes back all Neville Chamberlain.
clint van damme
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I've no time for Macron, but to try and use him to paint Johnson as competent, and more importantly, not corrupt, is insane.
Sick Boy
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“Even previously sceptical Tory MPs have speculated that the crisis could prove to be Mr Johnson's 'Falklands moment' – a reference to the 1982 war which transformed Margaret Thatcher's political fortunes.
The analogy is enhanced by the fact Mr Johnson has moved his daily 8.30am briefing from his No 10 study to Thatcher's old office on the floor above.
It means that Mr Johnson and his inner circle of six key advisers are dissecting the conflict under the steely painted gaze of the Iron Lady.”
www.dailymail.co.uk
Brilliant.
The analogy is enhanced by the fact Mr Johnson has moved his daily 8.30am briefing from his No 10 study to Thatcher's old office on the floor above.
It means that Mr Johnson and his inner circle of six key advisers are dissecting the conflict under the steely painted gaze of the Iron Lady.”
Boris Johnson announces six-point plan to defeat Vladimir Putin
In the space of a fortnight, Mr Johnson has transformed from beleaguered leader, assailed by endless allegations about lockdown parties, to burgeoning international statesman.
Brilliant.
eastwoodsdustman
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Of course he’s going to announce to the world how many anti tank weapon’s, anti aircraft weapons and other ordanance we’ve supplied when theres tanks helicopters and aircraft being shown getting blown to pieces on social media.
Sky Blue Pete
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It’s all words from johnson and no substance
Sky Blue Pete
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He’s said the most
Grendel
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well it was previously a Labour government who took Russian money. I’m the past trade unions received KGB funding. A strong accusation against at least one Labour leader was that he was KGB funded
it’s an irrelevance as money gets taken and taken moral Hugh ground when the ground on the other hill is equally as flat is entirely irrelevant
clint van damme
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Grendel
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one of the really disturbing elements of this crises is the politicisation by the opposition. It’s deeply disturbing for our democracy
clint van damme
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Given the current situation its highly relevant.
Thats why one of Johnson own MPs is banging on about it in Parliament.
clint van damme
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Sick Boy
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It was a genuine question. The amount spent on weapons from other countries has been published but I can’t find the UK figures.
Grendel
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Its totally irrelevant to the circumstances that have led to this invasion
Grendel
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well you need to also factor in the £2 billion a week the eu continue to feed the Putin machine every week - something strangely ignored on here
clint van damme
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Yes, I agree, but it's highly relevant to our response.
And what lead us here is irrelevant now, it's how we resolve it that's important.
We’ve been slow, especially against individual oligarchs but think those numbers are way off from what I’ve read. Even independent is suggesting hundreds. I’m not sure what the criteria is though
What sanctions has the UK imposed on Russia, and could more be done?
Leader of Russian Orthodox Church, children’s rights commissioner and four top colonels all targeted by UK as latest round of economic penalties announced
www.independent.co.uk
Grendel
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this won’t go well. You will soon be accused of being a Putin sympathiser and dragged off to SBT HQ somewhere in Islington for a good dose of middle class liberal thinking (but you’ll be told it’s socialism)
tisza
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Probably more they see UK as an easy target for calling out rather than the EU - as a bloc of countries (number of countries and physical mass) and major trade partner.