USSR invades Ukraine. (15 Viewers)

[Brighton Sky Blue]

With respect this is not answering my question

I want zero fly zones I want zero military action and nothing that happens in Ukraine will change that view

If the sanctions fail - my belief is they will but that’s an opinion - even if Ukraine was bombed to pieces I would not want one British soldier dying for Ukraine

You?

I've said what I want to see

 

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[Grendel]

I've said what I want to see

Oh reality I must have missed it - what?

 

[Flying Fokker]

Well it's a bit like saying
" we can't send them to you because if we do that we may create a full blown war because we are flying what Russia will see as hostile military aircraft into their airspace......... but you are very welcome to come and collect them yourselves. "
It's a very thin line. Not thin enough for Putin, surely.

However, Ukraine is at war so they will procure weapons however they see fit. This is a dirty war according to reports of intensive bombardments that will not achieve anything other than to strengthen Ukraine‘s resolve. Russia can’t have it all their own way.

There is a fir chance the Polish pilots will be ‘advising’ pilots as well.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Oh reality I must have missed it - what?

We had a bit of discussion on it last week-check your spreadsheet. If Ukraine is allowed to fall we just hand Putin an enormous wad of territory and all the encouragement he needs to invade more of his neighbours.

 

[clint van damme]

With respect this is not answering my question

I want zero fly zones I want zero military action and nothing that happens in Ukraine will change that view

If the sanctions fail - my belief is they will but that’s an opinion - even if Ukraine was bombed to pieces I would not want one British soldier dying for Ukraine

You?

I'm not sure if people realise a no fly zone means troops on the ground?
Would be a catastrophe.

 

[Finham]

It's fitting that his parrot is yellow and blue.

 

[Grendel]

We had a bit of discussion on it last week-check your spreadsheet. If Ukraine is allowed to fall we just hand Putin an enormous wad of territory and all the encouragement he needs to invade more of his neighbours.

But that’s not an answer is it

The question is if the only thing they would stop this is military action is this something you’d want that’s the question yes or no

Me no under any circumstance no

 

[Grendel]

I'm not sure if people realise a no fly zone means troops on the ground?
Would be a catastrophe.

No because people are stupid - @duffer said he would he has no idea

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

But that’s not an answer is it

The question is if the only thing they would stop this is military action is this something you’d want that’s the question yes or no

Me no under any circumstance no

I don't want boots on the ground nor do I think it's needed. What I want is an aerial campaign against their ground forces.

Given that the British Isles are never going to be invaded why do you still think we have an armed forces?

 

[Finham]

Starmer a Marxist?

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It's normally only right nuts on Twitter and Instagram etc that use that term-very much an American influence. It's something of a "red flag" when you see the term used. Ironically enough.

 

[SIR ERNIE]

Guaranteed to inflame and escalate.

 

[Grendel]

I don't want boots on the ground nor do I think it's needed. What I want is an aerial campaign against their ground forces.

Given that the British Isles are never going to be invaded why do you still think we have an armed forces?

An aerial campaign is boots on the ground

The second point is stupid. We have it fir many reasons including if allies are attacked

Ukraine is not an ally

 

[Grendel]

Guaranteed to inflame and escalate.

Yes this is really getting serious

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

An aerial campaign is boots on the ground

The second point is stupid. We have it fir many reasons including if allies are attacked

Ukraine is not an ally

So in other words we are prepared to have our soldiers die in foreign lands depending on the cause. What's insanity is expecting Putin to just hand back what he's invested this much in taking.

 

[PVA]

Guaranteed to inflame and escalate.

Maybe, but the arms they've been given so far has caused immense damage to the Russian army, so I don't see why this would escalate any more than already is the case

 

[Ian1779]

He was co editor of socialist alternatives when he frequently attacked kinnock and accused him of being right wing - he was very much integrated into the labour left

Unless this was another Keir Starmer?

You’re missing the point. It was all a ruse then as much as it is now.

 

[Grendel]

So in other words we are prepared to have our soldiers die in foreign lands depending on the cause. What's insanity is expecting Putin to just hand back what he's invested this much in taking.

what aren’t you getting about this? We are allied to nato. Ukraine is no more a cause than Sierra Leone. We shouldn’t have meddled in Iraq and we shouldn’t even with nato approval attacked Libya

Ukraine is no more our problem than these countries

 

[Grendel]

Maybe, but the arms they've been given so far has caused immense damage to the Russian army, so I don't see why this would escalate any more than already is the case

Oh simply because that is a breach of nato regulations and a declaration of war

But hey that’s ok. I guess you’ll be signing up for fighting thd Russians and the Chinese. Good luck

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

But that’s not an answer is it

The question is if the only thing they would stop this is military action is this something you’d want that’s the question yes or no

Me no under any circumstance no

You say no to military intervention and Ukraine gets taken over. So Putin goes after places like Moldova. He's already threatened Finland and Sweden. So then this happens all over again and once again you say no to military action and every time it emboldens Putin to go further and further. This will not stop until Putin is stopped somehow.

I'm hopeful that the sanctions will have an effect and that Ukrainian resistance will last long enough for questions to be asked of Putin by his own people. The anti-war protests across Russia show a small but promising lead in that direction and the longer it goes on the more people will question Putin and he might be brought down from within.

If not, like Hitler he'll just push further and further until action is necessary. I certainly don't want it but I feel it may end up being unavoidable one way or another.

 

[clint van damme]

You say no to military intervention and Ukraine gets taken over. So Putin goes after places like Moldova. He's already threatened Finland and Sweden. So then this happens all over again and once again you say no to military action and every time it emboldens Putin to go further and further. This will not stop until Putin is stopped somehow.

I'm hopeful that the sanctions will have an effect and that Ukrainian resistance will last long enough for questions to be asked of Putin by his own people. The anti-war protests across Russia show a small but promising lead in that direction and the longer it goes on the more people will question Putin and he might be brought down from within.

If not, like Hitler he'll just push further and further until action is necessary. I certainly don't want it but I feel it may end up being unavoidable one way or another.

Hitler never had a nuclear arsenal.

 

[Grendel]

I'm not sure if people realise a no fly zone means troops on the ground?
Would be a catastrophe.

I’ve never really considered the escalation possibility but this is looking like world war 1 all over again

People need to get their heads out their arses. Ukraine isn’t worth a single ounce of blood for

 

[Grendel]

You say no to military intervention and Ukraine gets taken over. So Putin goes after places like Moldova. He's already threatened Finland and Sweden. So then this happens all over again and once again you say no to military action and every time it emboldens Putin to go further and further. This will not stop until Putin is stopped somehow.

I'm hopeful that the sanctions will have an effect and that Ukrainian resistance will last long enough for questions to be asked of Putin by his own people. The anti-war protests across Russia show a small but promising lead in that direction and the longer it goes on the more people will question Putin and he might be brought down from within.

If not, like Hitler he'll just push further and further until action is necessary. I certainly don't want it but I feel it may end up being unavoidable one way or another.

Will you sign up and fight?

 

[Grendel]

Hitler never had a nuclear arsenal.

Dreamer is a moron

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Hitler never had a nuclear arsenal.

That is indeed the big problem.

But either way he just carries on pushing, using the nuclear weapons as a means of stopping others getting involved. If that works for non-NATO countries there will come a point where he will be so damn sure of himself he would invade one, believing he cannot be defeated.

It feels like almost an inevitability at some stage unfortunately. Our only hope is he gets toppled from within.

And through all this God knows what China are planning to get up to.

 

[PVA]

Oh simply because that is a breach of nato regulations and a declaration of war

But hey that’s ok. I guess you’ll be signing up for fighting thd Russians and the Chinese. Good luck

Which NATO regulation is that a breach of?

 

[Grendel]

You say no to military intervention and Ukraine gets taken over. So Putin goes after places like Moldova. He's already threatened Finland and Sweden. So then this happens all over again and once again you say no to military action and every time it emboldens Putin to go further and further. This will not stop until Putin is stopped somehow.

I'm hopeful that the sanctions will have an effect and that Ukrainian resistance will last long enough for questions to be asked of Putin by his own people. The anti-war protests across Russia show a small but promising lead in that direction and the longer it goes on the more people will question Putin and he might be brought down from within.

If not, like Hitler he'll just push further and further until action is necessary. I certainly don't want it but I feel it may end up being unavoidable one way or another.

utter tripe

Putin wants to restore Ukraine back into Russia for czarist reasons he has zero ambition whatsoever to conquer Europe you stupid clown.

Ukraine is the Cold War equivalent of world peace. It’s not worth one ounce of British blood. I agree with humanitarian support and sanctions against Russia will not create a global conflict but it’s Nonsense like this that creates war

 

[Grendel]

Which NATO regulation is that a breach of?

ask China you fool this isn’t a game of top
Trumps

 

[Ian1779]

That is indeed the big problem.

But either way he just carries on pushing, using the nuclear weapons as a means of stopping others getting involved. If that works for non-NATO countries there will come a point where he will be so damn sure of himself he would invade one, believing he cannot be defeated.

It feels like almost an inevitability at some stage unfortunately. Our only hope is he gets toppled from within.

And through all this God knows what China are planning to get up to.

Sitting back and waiting for their moment to become world superpower #1

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I’ve never really considered the escalation possibility but this is looking like world war 1 all over again

People need to get their heads out their arses. Ukraine isn’t worth a single ounce of blood for

So if someone invaded here I assume you'd be absolutely fine with the rest of the world saying "Not my problem. Britain isn't worth a single ounce of blood" and you'd be quite happy to have this enemy shelling the fuck out of your house and shooting at you and your family?

Though knowing you you'd just cosy up to them and find a way they would give you money.

 

[PVA]

ask China you fool this isn’t a game of top
Trumps

China doesn't have a login here.

I'm asking you.

 

[Grendel]

So if someone invaded here I assume you'd be absolutely fine with the rest of the world saying "Not my problem. Britain isn't worth a single ounce of blood" and you'd be quite happy to have this enemy shelling the fuck out of your house and shooting at you and your family?

Though knowing you you'd just cosy up to them and find a way they would give you money.

Ukraine for me isn’t worth fighting for no

So you’d volunteer enlist and die? Utter rubbish

Anyone invading here would be breaching nato rules you idiot

 

[Grendel]

China doesn't have a login here.

I'm asking you.

Unbelievable

 

[PVA]

Unbelievable

You can't answer then.

Didn't think so.

 

[clint van damme]

That is indeed the big problem.

But either way he just carries on pushing, using the nuclear weapons as a means of stopping others getting involved. If that works for non-NATO countries there will come a point where he will be so damn sure of himself he would invade one, believing he cannot be defeated.

It feels like almost an inevitability at some stage unfortunately. Our only hope is he gets toppled from within.

And through all this God knows what China are planning to get up to.

China didn't escalate matters when they had skirmishes on their own border with India. I don't think they'll get involved in this conflict militarily.

 

[Grendel]

You can't answer then.

Didn't think so.

It’s an act of war you idiot - this isn’t b a game Of fucking risk m

shall k change my name to lord grey and you can then laugh and point score with your twitter mates - except most of you will be dead

Get your head out your arse