USSR invades Ukraine. (71 Viewers)
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David O'Day
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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I would invite everyone to watch this video. Some really good reporting from Ukraine, which again makes the Russian invasion look eerily weak.
One line stuck with me from a Ukrainian soldier: 'We fight like lions. They won't win.'
It's graphic, so be warned.
One line stuck with me from a Ukrainian soldier: 'We fight like lions. They won't win.'
It's graphic, so be warned.
Yeah it's been an utter disaster so far.
That's not to say they can't /won't win of course.
But they had planned to take Kyiv in 3 days and the whole country in 15 days (somehow).
David O'Day
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Laughable but wow people wanted Ukriane to give up and let these people have their country
jimmyhillsfanclub
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Banning Twitter, Facebook and instagram eh?
Anyone else warming to this putin fella?
Anyone else warming to this putin fella?
Grendel
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Some people on here wouldn’t have a life without twitter
Finham
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Or Sky Blues Talk, for that matter!
Grendel
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i don’t think Putin is banning that
jimmyhillsfanclub
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And I firmly believe most peoples lives would be improved without them.
#ivegotnosocials
#happy
#sausage
Ccfcisparks
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Oh the irony!
Oh yes turn the bleedin Ether off let's exist in the real world.
Yeah he's absolutely fucked it. Country is ruined, and for what?
Flying Fokker
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3/15 of Russia’s Generals have been killed so far
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Army general (Russia) - Wikipedia
tisza
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Don't think he cares what the so-called "liberal democracies" think of him as long as they "fear" him.
he's got like minded allies in the likes of China, Belarus and certain middle East & Asian states.
His approach to dissent is just to throttle it - much like those who ally themselves with him.
Also an element of watching OPEC states "buy" respectability - but he's missed the boat on that as energy policies & demand will start to change.
tisza
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Don't think Putin does irony.
His message of NATO pulling back their area of influence and demanding that they have to withdraw NATO weapons etc from post-1997 NATO countries yet he intends to put a load of his new weapons into Belarus that borders NATO states. He's actually advancing towards NATO rather having this buffer zone he claims towant to create in UKraine.
His message of NATO pulling back their area of influence and demanding that they have to withdraw NATO weapons etc from post-1997 NATO countries yet he intends to put a load of his new weapons into Belarus that borders NATO states. He's actually advancing towards NATO rather having this buffer zone he claims towant to create in UKraine.
shmmeee
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His entire PR strategy has always been to blame the West for things he’s doing. Much like the Brexit saboteurs in Parliament who kept voting down deals and claiming Remainers were stopping them, it’s remarkably effective with your supporters.
Finham
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4 News was chilling tonight. There was Chinese chap Victor Gao, who is very close to their regime (he's been on 4 numerous times before and I thought of him as a Chinese government mouthpiece) who was speaking of his fear of nuclear war. He argued that China is still friendly with Ukraine as well as in communication with Russia, so in a unique position to broker talks and that these must come for the future of humanity, to avert a nuclear holocaust. He didn't seem to be spouting his usual spin, EG he openly called this a war rather than a "special operation" ,but did say that there is no way that Ukraine can ever join NATO.
www.channel4.com
As if that wasn't bad enough, they then had a Russian journalist, an opponent of Putin's, saying that there was no chance of Putin being overthrown, that the people close around him are "like one Putin", utterly conditioned to doing what will please him, and also there have been public protests for years that didn't change anything. His concern is that Putin has spoken for some time of Russia falling behind the USA and how it would take "some kind of catastrophic event" to level the playing field, EG nuclear war.
Future generations of Russians will never forgive Putin, says Russian journalist
So that's two distinctly different sources warning of nuclear war. Frightening shit.
We should not write off the threat of nuclear warfare by Russia, says Victor Gao
When the invasion of Ukraine started, China did not openly condemn it.
www.channel4.com
As if that wasn't bad enough, they then had a Russian journalist, an opponent of Putin's, saying that there was no chance of Putin being overthrown, that the people close around him are "like one Putin", utterly conditioned to doing what will please him, and also there have been public protests for years that didn't change anything. His concern is that Putin has spoken for some time of Russia falling behind the USA and how it would take "some kind of catastrophic event" to level the playing field, EG nuclear war.
Future generations of Russians will never forgive Putin, says Russian journalist
So that's two distinctly different sources warning of nuclear war. Frightening shit.
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duffer
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Biden on twitter tonight again saying that there's no chance of NATO going into Ukraine. This is odd after at least vague threats from various parties of 'serious consequences' if Russia uses chemical weapons.
Tactically, I can't help feel it's a mistake. We shouldn't be telling Putin what we won't do, we should at least be sowing the seed of doubt - it might be the only thing holding Putin back from using even more hideous tactics.
Tactically, I can't help feel it's a mistake. We shouldn't be telling Putin what we won't do, we should at least be sowing the seed of doubt - it might be the only thing holding Putin back from using even more hideous tactics.
Mucca Mad Boys
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I agree. Biden is predictable and weak president internationally. For all his faults, Trump (as the 2020 alternative) was at least stronger in foreign policy and his abrasive and unconventional style deterred the likes of Putin.
It’s no surprise Putin has intervened in Ukraine during two Democrat administrations. Both Biden and Obama were weak on Russia.
Putin only responds to strength. Biden stating that NATO won’t do this and that emboldens Putin and strategically hamstrings NATO.
SkyBlueCharlie9
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That's just embarrassing and pretty low even by your standards. You are the one who is as right wing and firecly independent about their own country as as Gerry and the IRA are about Ireland.
Except their country is actually divided...what is your excuse for hating all our neighbours ?
SkyBlueCharlie9
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Trump had no international strength. He was a laughing stock globally, an egotistical and narcissistic madman like Putin.
SkyBlueCharlie9
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OK so you feel Germany are worried about energy. Why do you think Boris has been less keen to take measures against Putin?Shameful
By its actions, Germany is propping up Putin’s war machine as much as China
With Berlin 'procrastinating', measures against the Kremlin are not hurting enoughwww.telegraph.co.uk
Liquid Gold
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I have no love for Trump, he was definitely an egotistical narcissist madman.
I do agree with MMB that him being that way could have made Putin pause. Trump was happy to just assassinate that Iranian general he didn't like and would have been unhinged enough to go to war for his reputation.
Biden basically saying crack on we won't stop you has definitely done nothing to stop him.
Flying Fokker
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Key Takeaways
www.understandingwar.org
- Russian operations around Kyiv remained largely stalled over the past 24 hours and Russian forces conducted another pause to resupply and refit frontline units.
- Russian forces did not secure any new territory in northeastern Ukraine and may be redeploying forces attacking eastern Kyiv to defend against Ukrainian counterattacks in Sumy Oblast.
- Russian forces remain pinned down attempting to reduce Mariupol by siege and bombardment.
- Ukrainian forces halted Russian advances north and west from Crimea as Russian forces face growing supply and morale issues.
- Russian aircraft likely conducted an attempted false-flag attack on Belarusian territory on March 11 in an effort to draw Belarus into the war.
- The Kremlin announced plans to deploy foreign fighters, including up to 16,000 Syrian fighters, to Ukraine.
- Putin reportedly fired several generals and arrested FSB intelligence officers in an internal purge.
- Ukrainian forces killed the commander of Russia’s 29th Combined Arms Army. High casualties among Russian general officers indicate the poor quality of Russian command and control, requiring Russian generals to deploy forward and risk Ukrainian fire to command their forces.
- Ukrainian air force and air defense operations continue to hinder Russian ground forces maneuver by likely limiting Russian close air support and exposing Russian mechanized forces to Ukrainian air and artillery attacks.
Institute for the Study of War
Russian ground forces attempting to encircle and take Kyiv began another pause to resupply and refit combat units on March 11 after failed attacks March 8-10. Russian forces also appear to be largely stalemated around Kharkiv. Russian advances from
Sick Boy
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Trump Discussed Pulling U.S. From NATO, Aides Say Amid New Concerns Over Russia (Published 2019)
The president’s repeatedly stated desire in private to withdraw from the alliance has raised concerns among officials who fear he may revisit the threat.
Yeah, great.
Otis
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I tend to agree. Even if NATO aren't going in, the stance should be NATO are prepared to go in if necessary.
What Biden said was technically correct, but it did come across quite weakly.
Flying Fokker
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Back in the day. And no, I'm certainly not a Russian sympathiser. This war is abhorrent and needs to end. Just picked out some of the lead up to this war. Having read a bit about the rise of Nazism the shadows cast by torch parades in 1930's Germany came to mind.
Just what Putin needed as an excuse to go into Ukraine. (certainly not the only one) Russian hate of anything that resembled an old foe.
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Profile: Ukraine's ultra-nationalist Right Sector - BBC News
Ultranationalism in Ukraine – a photo essay | Ukraine | The Guardian
Just what Putin needed as an excuse to go into Ukraine. (certainly not the only one) Russian hate of anything that resembled an old foe.
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Profile: Ukraine's ultra-nationalist Right Sector - BBC News
Ultranationalism in Ukraine – a photo essay | Ukraine | The Guardian
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Otis
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Yup, far from great is it. Doesn't make what Russia are doing any less horrific though does it.
There does seem to be a problem out in those parts (Poland too) with ultra far right Nazi types.