Grendel
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oh How David how’s it going out there?
USSR invades Ukraine. (22 Viewers)
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oh How David how’s it going out there?
David O'Day
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Yup, far from great is it. Doesn't make what Russia are doing any less horrific though does it.
There does seem to be a problem out in those parts (Poland too) with ultra far right Nazi types.
The far right aren't in power either. The Ukraine president is Jewish
skybluetony176
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Like I said earlier. Can’t stand Pritti Patel but she’s delivering her brief
news.sky.com
Ukraine war: Number 10 put brakes on Home Office plans for more generous refugee offer, Sky News understands
Sky News understands that Number 10 played a key role in reining in two initiatives for Ukrainian refugees from Home Secretary Priti Patel, which would have opened the system up even further.
Finham
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Maybe by Mrs Chamberlain, but that's about all! He fought a pathetic war which we were losing very meekly. We were disorganised, indecisive and there was an attitude of hoping that any "big" fighting could be avoided and we could sort all this mess out peacefully over a nice cup of tea, hence Leo Amery's very famous speech in the Norway Debate that was quoted by David Davies to Johnson a few weeks ago (who pretended to not know where it was from), ending: "You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go.":
Leo Amery – 1940 Speech in the House of Commons – UKPOL.CO.UK
www.ukpol.co.uk
Of course, Amery himself nicked it from Cromwell, but it's a grand tradition!
Finham
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Anyone who thinks Chamberlain is misunderstood by history, and who would like a chilling reminder of parallels between Russia now and Hitler's Germany and the consequences of Western inaction, I would highly recommend watching this:
In particular, Lord Boothby (a Conservative) at 17:20 and 32:30 for J.R. Colville, Chamberlain's Private Secretary, on what Chamberlain thought-he wanted to just drop leaflets, essentially.
In particular, Lord Boothby (a Conservative) at 17:20 and 32:30 for J.R. Colville, Chamberlain's Private Secretary, on what Chamberlain thought-he wanted to just drop leaflets, essentially.
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Evo1883
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THANKFULLY ... Russia today are not as powerful as Germany back then (military size ).. if the whole of nato descended onto Russia it would be over quite fast unless the Chinese intervened on russias side which I doubt
Sky Blue Pete
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Why?
Evo1883
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I think China has so much money tied up around the world they wouldn't want to risk it all
Finham
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If you mean why is Russian military not as good as German then, it's because they built up a huge superiority in both quality of arms and military doctrine, fine tuned in the Spanish Civil War, that gave them a huge edge. They also had loads more tanks and monoplane fighters. Imagine sending a biplane up to stop them! Nowadays modern armies are more evenly matched.
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Sky Blue Pete
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No evo got it
Otis
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I would urge everyone to watch this
www.bbc.co.uk
BBC Four - Storyville, Tango with Putin
A Russian radio producer, seeking fame, sets up a TV station dedicated to pop culture.
tisza
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Russia, China and USA haven't stopped playing games with other countries ( even supposed allies) for years. Whether it be through power of investment, political manipulation, militarily or other means.
All governed entirely by self-interest.
concept of EU confuses them completely ( not saying EU works on a lot of things)." How can you have a major bloc of countries that isn't a massive military power and isn't trying to forcibly impose itself on a global scale? How does such a politically, socially and ethnically diverse bloc manage to function without 1 person in charge or central force to physically enforce its will? etc".
Sky Blue Pete
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The answer of course is a shared will or mutually assured flourishing. The will was there after the Second World War and the flourishing sort of worked until the euro debacle.
tisza
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There was a will in Western Europe but Eastern Europe was trapped in the Soviet Union. Cold War dominated their thinking and their industrial sectors fell way behind many others. Russian economy was a disaster until recently and its "only" natural resources/commodities that have bailed them out.
EU (for example) ploughed its resources into economy rather than military as there was an "assumption" NATO was enough security and we weren't likely to see a war on mainland Europe again. The thinking being that increased mutual prosperity would be a limitation on the desire for wars.
History doesn't change. Only takes one sizeable state to turn"rogue" and we are back where we started. Now we have Russia here, can argue in the Middle East you have Iran fostering/financing disharmony across many states there.
Multiple states across the globe still have extremely limited (if any at all) democracy. Military juntas continually raise their heads across poorer countries in particular - normally propped up by one of the "big three" of China,USA or Russia.
duffer
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Sometimes it does all feel unremittingly bleak.
There's a great football-related article below on how, quite rightly, we sanction Russia for its outrageous behaviour in Ukraine, but ignore (and in effect support) Saudi Arabia's war in Yemen, where there have been similar impacts on civilian populations.
www.theguardian.com
There's a great football-related article below on how, quite rightly, we sanction Russia for its outrageous behaviour in Ukraine, but ignore (and in effect support) Saudi Arabia's war in Yemen, where there have been similar impacts on civilian populations.
Shouldn’t someone in football also care about the war in Yemen just a little? | Barney Ronay
Chelsea’s ownership is finally facing deserved scrutiny but there is a double standard when it comes to Newcastle’s owners
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Couldn't agree more. Wasn't there mass executions in Saudi Arabia yesterday too? Outrageous that they are allowed to own a Premier League club.Sometimes it does all feel unremittingly bleak.
There's a great football-related article below on how, quite rightly, we sanction Russia for its outrageous behaviour in Ukraine, but ignore (and in effect support) Saudi Arabia's war in Yemen, where there have been similar impacts on civilian populations.
Shouldn’t someone in football also care about the war in Yemen just a little? | Barney Ronay
Chelsea’s ownership is finally facing deserved scrutiny but there is a double standard when it comes to Newcastle’s owners
Grendel
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chiefdave
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I've got a mate who is the biggest leftie you could ever meet and very politically active. Constantly fighting some cause or other. He's a Newcastle fan and was celebrating the takeover, not heard a word from him about the owners.
tisza
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Just a world where money talks. Olympics in China (human rights record), World Cup in Qatar (human rights record) and it goes on.Saudi investments all over the world in so many things are aloud to pass unquestioned because of the money involved. Still think there's something underhand gone on with the way Newcastle takeover was rushed through without other PL clubs being informed.
Systems of oligarchs everywhere who think "the rules" don't apply to them.
Sky Blue Pete
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Fuck
I have no idea I just know it's super close to Poland and seen something about it being a NATO base but t no actually sure how true it is or not, I guess time will tell.
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There isn't much that would stop me supporting Cov but a takeover like this would.
Sky Blue Pete
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Are they just goading the west? Shooting journalists dead is not very sensible
Sick Boy
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That's definitely how it's starting to feel.
Sky Blue Pete
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I agree
Sky Blue Pete
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US to impose consequences for journalist's death - official
We can now bring you some reaction over the death of US journalist Brent Renaud in Ukraine.
US National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan says the US will impose "appropriate consequences" on Russia. News of the death was "shocking and horrifying", he said, and US officials would be consulting with Ukrainian officials to determine "how this happened".
We can now bring you some reaction over the death of US journalist Brent Renaud in Ukraine.
US National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan says the US will impose "appropriate consequences" on Russia. News of the death was "shocking and horrifying", he said, and US officials would be consulting with Ukrainian officials to determine "how this happened".
It wouldn't be the first time recently that Russia have talked of de-escalating things and then ramped things up a day or so later. Didn't Putin tell Macron the day before their attack started that he wasn't going to go in? Didn't Russia agree to humanitarian corridors and then shell them? Time will tell, but I can't see how the current mess can be spun as a victory by Putin. My worry would be soldiers seemingly retreating due to a ceasefire that then leads the way to some sort of dirty / nuclear bomb being set off, by the Ukrainians of course.