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Sky Blue Pete
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No, not the very poorest/unemployed but everyone working full time and a lot of part time will be paying NIC so I’m sure those on lower wages will appreciate the rise in threshold from 9k to 12.75k. It was the right thing to do
Note - I advocated UC uplift as well as threshold rise
skybluetony176
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ORB of the back of the budget are predicting the biggest fall in living standards since records began 70 years ago. Still, they’ve been rising the last 14 years, no… wait. They’ve been falling the last 14 years.
To be fair we’ve had a financial crash and a pandemic to contend with. What is totally unacceptable is that during this period the super rich have been coining it in
shmmeee
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Its just a very wasteful way of achieving your aims. If you’ve got £6bn to spend, far better to uplift UC than raise the NIC threshold. Of course it’s better than nothing, but that’s a very low bar to judge against.
Flirting with Rayner. Can’t help himself
This was such an open goal for them to do something to help people out and gain a big boost in the polls. And this is what we get?
They're so tone deaf sometimes. Though not surprising from the people that didn't want to feed hungry kids during the pandemic.
There's a bit of a break for the people who don't need it, but will get by, And nothing for the very worst off.
They're so tone deaf sometimes. Though not surprising from the people that didn't want to feed hungry kids during the pandemic.
There's a bit of a break for the people who don't need it, but will get by, And nothing for the very worst off.
Sky Blue Pete
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skybluetony176
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We haven’t had 14 years of stagnation that’s led to falling living standards because of the crash though, we’ve had it because of the failed austerity project that caused stagnation while slashing services giving living standards a double whammy. Obviously covid couldn’t be helped but because of government incompetence we had the biggest financial hit of the G8. The had the fastest growth doesn’t wash either because A) We had to and B) most G8 economies are either back to where they were before the pandemic or better off, we’re still playing catch up.
Agree with your comments about the wealthy. Which only makes it more perverse that yet again it’s the poorest being asked to pay. In terms of the NI increase it’s a double payment as we’re being asked to pay again for the cuts of austerity.
clint van damme
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Some tory on 5live has just inadvertently made the case for this by trying to defend them not introducing a windfall tax.
clint van damme
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Do financial crashes count now?
Fairly sure the tories didn't give Brown any leeway.
When, after 12 years, are they going to stop blaming others?
fernandopartridge
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It's by design, the party you vote for wants it that way, believes or pretends to believe in rubbish like the trickle down effect.
Think that’s a little one eyed. I think austerity went on for too long but going into 2010 election Labour were also proposing brutal cuts. Austerity would’ve happened whoever had won, the world economy was in meltdown.
Also, we’re not playing catch up with the economy now. I think we’re 0.8% above pre pandemic levels and doing better than a fair few others inc Germany. A lot of this was to do with the initial speed of the vaccines roll out (ignore JOB the key was getting older adults protected asap, then booster roll out, not jabbing kids) and also then what was at the time as ballsy move pre Xmas to keep things openish. The furlough scheme was also widely acknowledged as something that protected the economy and jobs. Fernando posted an interesting and balanced article about Covid responses the other week which is worth a read.
You make some fair points but need to be a bit more balanced. Appreciate that the government can fuck up and do plenty of stuff you, I and others may not like but they will also makes some decent calls as well. It’s only right that both are acknowledged
I’ve said before numerous times don’t confuse me holding a balanced view on politics as me being a dyed in the wool Tory voter. I’m probably as down the middle as they come and have voted for both main parties equally.
If you have a look at what steps the government has taken over the past couple of years there has been plenty of left leaning policies, which were needed and did the job. People refuse to acknowledge them though
Ps you say it’s by design, it’s not at all, many of these people and businesses are outside of National tax regimes.
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From memory the issue raised at the time of the financial crash was that during a sustained period of growth preceding it nothing was saved/surpluses built up so when the shit hit the fan there was nothing to fall back on. Even if there had been it would’ve been a drop in the ocean with what happened
The depressing thing about all this is that people will die because of this cost of living crisis but in 2 years time Rishi will announce some tax cuts and tell everyone that the Tories are the responsible party, the party that cuts taxes – don’t vote Labour they will only put taxes up! – and the people will lap it up.
I’m not convinced. Whatever the government does there is going to be a continued cost of living squeeze over next couple of years. That coupled with Tory governments for 13-14 years and Labour just need to be credible at the next election and they should have a good chance of winning. The problem will be they will need to rely on SNP to govern and whatever that might entail
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The surest way to make the SNP an irrelevance is vote in a Labour government.
Just being realistic. Massive swing needed to get a majority and unless they start taking Scottish seats back it will be a struggle, even with a LibDem deal
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The time after they'd end up down and down however. The only reason they're so strong atm is because Scottish politics are so misaligned with English politics. Give an English governing party more in-tune, and the case for Scottish nationalism diminishes.
Grendel
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They grew in popularity because of milliband and his catastrophic election campaign didn’t they?
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Nope. Alienation from UK (English dominated) government.
Grendel
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nope
Scottish independence: Miliband raises border post prospect - BBC News
Ed Miliband says a Labour government at Westminster would consider building border posts if Scotland voted for independence.
www.bbc.co.uk
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You do love a non sequiturnope
Scottish independence: Miliband raises border post prospect - BBC News
Ed Miliband says a Labour government at Westminster would consider building border posts if Scotland voted for independence.
Philosoraptor
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Personally I am all for putting anyone coming to Scotland from England in quarantine for 6 months.
Just in case.
Just in case.
Philosoraptor
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With the state of politics at Westminster no wonder there is trend of thought in Scotland that they could probably do thing better on their own.
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fernandopartridge
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Great for the economy
Sky Blue Pete
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But Corbyn
I didn't say that. If that's what you think though then fair enough.
skybluetony176
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Depends on why they voted Tory. If they voted Tory because they thought Johnson, Rees-Mogg, Raab, Sunak etc are on their side then yes, they’re as thick as fuck.
