Sick Boy
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Vaccine procurement
and before anyone says anyway (Tony behave !) no we couldn’t have just cracked on and done our own thing…legally yes but no member did their own thing until after the procurement fuck up.In response to the other comments removal of 5% VAT on energy would’ve been less than the rebate through the councils tax for a majority of the country. I personally would’ve knocked the VAT off and claimed ‘Brexit win’ and I’ve said before, almost fair play that they didn’t…even if their choice is more convoluted and delayed ! I also don’t think it’s enough though and would be shocked if more help isn’t on its way…especially after the fines !!!
Inflation is a global problem caused almost totally by global issues. Bank of England probably should’ve stopped printing money and started raising rates a bit sooner but inflation would still be high because everyone else has been merrily printing money and there was also massive post Covid pent up demand. Add to that the war and it’s a perfect inflationary shitstorm.
clint van damme
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Vaccine procurement
In response to the other comments removal of 5% VAT on energy would’ve been less than the rebate through the councils tax for a majority of the country. I personally would’ve knocked the VAT off and claimed ‘Brexit win’ and I’ve said before, almost fair play that they didn’t…even if their choice is more convoluted and delayed ! I also don’t think it’s enough though and would be shocked if more help isn’t on its way…especially after the fines !!!
Inflation is a global problem caused almost totally by global issues. Bank of England probably should’ve stopped printing money and started raising rates a bit sooner but inflation would still be high because everyone else has been merrily printing money and there was also massive post Covid pent up demand. Add to that the war and it’s a perfect inflationary shitstorm.
Is global crisis a valid excuse nowadays?
Asking for Gordon Brown!
skybluetony176
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Errr. Hungry chose to purchase and administer the Russian Sputnik vaccine before the EU approved it so…Vaccine procurement
In response to the other comments removal of 5% VAT on energy would’ve been less than the rebate through the councils tax for a majority of the country. I personally would’ve knocked the VAT off and claimed ‘Brexit win’ and I’ve said before, almost fair play that they didn’t…even if their choice is more convoluted and delayed ! I also don’t think it’s enough though and would be shocked if more help isn’t on its way…especially after the fines !!!
Inflation is a global problem caused almost totally by global issues. Bank of England probably should’ve stopped printing money and started raising rates a bit sooner but inflation would still be high because everyone else has been merrily printing money and there was also massive post Covid pent up demand. Add to that the war and it’s a perfect inflationary shitstorm.
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He's barely ever voted Tory tbf
Grendel
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corbyn wanted to nationalise railways to make profit which was absurd
you are morphing into PVA with stupid 6th form slogans and cliches
I’ve said, we were ‘allowed to’, but we couldn’t have done what we did if we were still in the EU. I think Germany, Italy and France were told not to go it alone and walked away from an agreed contract as the EU wanted EU wide procurement. Understandably in a way because you can’t have one member steaming ahead and vaccinating large numbers and others struggling. There would’ve been massive political pressure not to
ps I don’t know the dates but I presume hungary did their own thing due to the delays of the EU procurement, not before
Gordon Brown did a great job during the financial crisis. It’s been said before though it was the lack of build up in reserves in decent growth times which was peoples issue. I’ve said before they would’ve only helped a bit anyway due to the size of the financial crisis.
shmmeee
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For me capitalism is great for innovation and choice through competition. The only thing utility companies can differentiate on is customer service and frankly they’re all shit and it’s such a secondary concern anyway.
Rail is a little more complex but generally same deal I want to get from a to b at the time I want, how plush the seats are or what food is offered on board is very much a nice to have but not a decision maker.
shmmeee
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Nah it was people buying a cheap hit job. Brown did very well and we had more surpluses than most governments under his chancellorship. The only mistake I’ll lay at his door for the GFC was deregulating banks too much, but everyone was at it and the opposition would have gone further so even that is a hard stick to wield.
Grendel
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my irk with railways is it’s a public service abs should provide links from the villages and small towns into cities even if it’s loss making
It’s a service and most European countries from my experience do it a lot better.
Philosoraptor
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He sold the UK gold reserve and made a loss at 2018 gold prices of £18 billion.
shmmeee
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100%. Public transport generally is a multiplier as well. Grows the talent pool for companies, spreads house price rises out a bit. How hard it was for me to commute to Warwick without a car was a joke.
Half a Track and Trace.
skybluetony176
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“I’ve said, we were ‘allowed to’, but we couldn’t have done what we did if we were still in the EU”
That’s a contradiction in terms.
The UK MHRA who approved the vaccines also confirmed that leaving the EU changed nothing, in fact the regulation that they used is known as regulation 174 which has been around since 2012, a whole 4 years before we even had a referendum. It’s complete bollocks to suggest that brexit miraculously moved the goalposts. We’re in brexit unicorn with rainbows flying out of its arse territory.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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So not something we needed Brexit to actually do then? Literally in the same sentence you say we couldn't have done then immediately admit we actually could.Vaccine procurement
Like VAT etc. we could still have done it, it's just whether we'd have broken ranks to do so.
Not being able to doing something and not choosing to do something are not the same argument. Using peer pressure as a reason is a poor excuse for kids, let alone a government.
I’ve explained this before. We could do what we wanted in terms of vaccines under the rules but ‘politically’ we couldn’t have, the EU would never have allowed it. Hence the example of Germany, France and Italy (might be Holland rather than one of those actually)
skybluetony176
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clint van damme
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I think what your saying is we would have chosen to stay with ye herd. I think you're right but that's not the same as we couldn't of because we could of!
Same as the bullshit about the VAT reduction on energy,we could of when we were in the EU, it wasn't a potential 'Brexit win', just more bollocks.
skybluetony176
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What the literal fuck are you talking about. How could the EU have stopped us? It’s bollocks. The regulation was already in place, I’ve quoted you the regulation, it pre dates brexit and the referendum, the EU couldn’t have stopped us doing jack. Sorry Steve but you’re talking hypothetical bollocks, you’re in if my gran had bollocks she would be my grandad territory.
Politically we couldn’t/wouldn’t of. I don’t know why people are struggling to understand. Other countries were stopped (‘persuaded’) from signing their own contracts. That’s a fact. I don’t know what political pressures were applied but it happened. There is no way we would’ve been able to deliver the same vaccine procurement/programme if we were still in the EU.
skybluetony176
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You’ve reached Nadine Dorries levels of delusion. You’ll be telling us next that C4 takes public money.
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skybluetony176
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In other news a “world class lawyer” who understands what breaking the law means has quit the government in response to partygate. In unrelated news lawyer and justice secretary Dominic Raab remains part of the government still bewildered that the police investigate historical crimes
Minister Lord David Wolfson quits over Covid law-breaking at No 10
Justice minister Lord David Wolfson criticises the "scale, context and nature" of breaches.
www.bbc.co.uk
No need for that. I’ve tried to explain the best I can but you’re struggling to understand or just don’t want to accept that the EU isn’t perfect
This is a lengthy article about exactly what happen and is worth a read. My recollection wasn’t perfect but pretty accurate. Once you’ve read it feel free to continue to say I’m taking bollocks, deluded etc but I stand by my comments
How Europe fell behind on vaccines
The EU secured some of the lowest prices in the world. At what cost?
www.politico.eu
skybluetony176
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Steve. You’re trying to pass opinion of as fact. The fact is that the UK MHRA used a regulation that predates brexit, predates the referendum and actually predates the promise of the referendum. There is literally nothing, nothing that the EU could have done to stop us approving the vaccine ahead of the EMA. Nothing. It’s complete bollocks. The Nadine Dorries reference is valid because even after I’ve quoted you chapter and verse you’ve continued with the fantasy, fully in the style of Nadine Dorries. Best thing you can do is read up on who the MHRA are and their role in the vaccine program, read up on regulation 174, there’s even a video of the head of the MHRA at a commons select committee explaining why Matt Hancock was talking bollocks when he first made the claim. Your first clue is that it was Matt Hancock who initially made the claim.No need for that. I’ve tried to explain the best I can but you’re struggling to understand or just don’t want to accept that the EU isn’t perfect
This is a lengthy article about exactly what happen and is worth a read. Once you’ve read it feel free to continue to say I’m taking bollocks, deluded etc but I stand by my comments
How Europe fell behind on vaccines
The EU secured some of the lowest prices in the world. At what cost?
fernandopartridge
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Those posts from stupid Tory cunts giving an average price per meal are cringey as fuck.
Tell everybody to rock up to the supermarket and see if they can pay in installments based on when each ingredient in consumed
Tell everybody to rock up to the supermarket and see if they can pay in installments based on when each ingredient in consumed
Sick Boy
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I’ve seen a guy on YouTube do it but he ends up foraging in parks to supplement it.
skybluetony176
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skybluetony176
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The Mirror reporting that Boris is facing 3 more FPN’s. If nothing else it going to be funny hearing his excuses and the boot lickers joining in.
skybluetony176
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Ccfcisparks
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His videos are pretty good tbf and he seems like a decent bloke
Sky Blue Pete
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Each was a birthday
That never happened
He only saw people he worked with
None of them have had his baby yet
He only did what everyone was doing
How can anyone be expected to get everything right
We are all sinners
I’m a Catholic I’ve said my confession
God loves me and says I’m ok so long as there are less than 5 penalty notices m
clint van damme
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Time to try and distract the nation with a populist, yet probably unworkable, new immigration policy..............