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[Grendel]

Ah yes. The Tories definitely wouldn't care about losing an 80 seat majority. No siree. I mean it's not like they're doing everything they can to try and rig the next election in their favour. Oh wait.

Well given the last time Labour had some kind of pact and what happened afterwards - 4 Tory governments I doubt they’d be losing much sleep.

 

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[PVA]

Well given the last time Labour had some kind of pact and what happened afterwards - 4 Tory governments I doubt they’d be losing much sleep.

You're even more nuts than I thought if you think the tories 'wouldn't care' about losing an 80 seat majority. The entire MO of this government is a total power grab and you think they wouldn't be arsed to lose that? Absolutely laughable.

 

[Grendel]

You're even more nuts than I thought if you think the tories 'wouldn't care' about losing an 80 seat majority. The entire MO of this government is a total power grab and you think they wouldn't be arsed to lose that? Absolutely laughable.

Politics is a long game. You have no concept of how it works

And it’s a game to most people

They know anyway that most of the northern seats were anomalies due to Starmer and his totally fucked up Brexit policy. Even Johnson admitted many seats were “borrowed” - even Coventry would have returned two Tory MPs without the brexit party

Amyway Starmer will drop an Eu bomb at election time in sure of that

The Tories would have been obliterated at the last election without Johnson or more pertinently without Starmer and his fucked up Brexit policy

Spiralling inflation, the forecast interest rate hikes and it’s consequences - a minority government with Sturgeon pulling the strings with an out of touch Islington centric PM who sneers at oriole from Coventry and the North

Good luck

 

[PVA]

Oh wow you've bought the Islington line. Amazing.

 

[Grendel]

Oh wow you've bought the Islington line. Amazing.

You literally have no concept on how politics works

the council elections are forecast to see 1,000 Tory seats fall and you’ll be going on with cliches about “no one cares about parties” without seeing the irony of that forecast position.

 

[PVA]

You literally have no concept on how politics works

the council elections are forecast to see 1,000 Tory seats fall and you’ll be going on with cliches about “no one cares about parties” without seeing the irony of that forecast position.

You didn't quite get it right though. You just mentioned Islington, you didn't say Islington lawyer. Good effort, but try harder next time.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

even Coventry would have returned two Tory MPs without the brexit party

Coventry was however because two long standing MPs retired and they bussed in two out of towners. The one MP who stayed from before had a comfortable majority despite not being overly dynamic.

 

[Ian1779]

Yes like the last one that *checks notes* won a massive fucking majority at the next election.

Seriously though, enjoying this 2015 redux, when can we expect your thoughts on the EdStone or whether we should have a Brexit referendum?

It’s a good thing you are enjoying it as Reeves and Starmer are channelling that big 2010-15 energy too.

 

[PVA]

Fuck sake.

Fuck off you useless twat.

 

[PVA]

Christ.

Following on from the above.

So their answer to the cost of living crisis is to make nurseries less safe and to make the roads less safe.

Fucking geniuses this lot.

 

[skybluetony176]

Christ.

Following on from the above.

So their answer to the cost of living crisis is to make nurseries less safe and to make the roads less safe.

Fucking geniuses this lot.

And stifling small businesses by instantly halving the work MOT stations have available to do. Genius.

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

So Johnson has threatened to privatise the arse of the passport office if that doesn’t sort itself out, great news an increase in the price would soon follow and efficiency would be even lower.

 

[shmmeee]

It’s a good thing you are enjoying it as Reeves and Starmer are channelling that big 2010-15 energy too.

We’ve been here before but I want a Labour government. I supported Corbyn having a crack in 2015, he failed spectacularly (then got another go cos reasons). I support Starmer having a crack until he fails on the same basis.

weirdly for a few on here their priorities go: Corbyn >> Any other super left wing leader >> The Tories >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone not from the left of the PLP

Which is a take, but not one I understand.

 

[clint van damme]

We’ve been here before but I want a Labour government. I supported Corbyn having a crack in 2015, he failed spectacularly (then got another go cos reasons). I support Starmer having a crack until he fails on the same basis.

weirdly for a few on here their priorities go: Corbyn >> Any other super left wing leader >> The Tories >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone not from the left of the PLP

Which is a take, but not one I understand.

I'm not sure if I'm included in the weird few but as far as I'm concerned this simply isn't true.

I've said Corbyn had his chance and failed and is now part of the past.
I said I was prepared to give Starmer a chance, I said I really liked the ten pledges.
But since then he has done very little to enthuse or inspire me.
And as far as Im concerned he has not made any effort to Unite the party despite saying he would.
When push comes to shove I may well vote for him because he's not whoever the incumbent is at the time of the next GE but that's hardly a ringing endorsement.

 

[shmmeee]

I'm not sure if I'm included in the weird few but as far as I'm concerned this simply isn't true.

I've said Corbyn had his chance and failed and is now part of the past.
I said I was prepared to give Starmer a chance, I said I really liked the ten pledges.
But since then he has done very little to enthuse or inspire me.
And as far as Im concerned he has not made any effort to Unite the party despite saying he would.
When push comes to shove I may well vote for him because he's not whoever the incumbent is at the time of the next GE but that's hardly a ringing endorsement.

A begrudging vote and an enthusiastic vote count the same of polling day. Blair came to power with thousands of begrudging Labour votes. If that’s what it takes that’s what it takes.

I just don’t get the selfishness of it TBH. Actual peoples lives are actually worse when the Tories are in power. Me being able to be perfectly happy with every position of the PM comes a long way down the list.

I forget the quote but there’s a good one along the lines of political parties being buses, not taxis. You take the one that turns up and goes closest to where you want to go, you don’t stay at home complaining the number 27 doesn’t stop right outside your mates house.

 

[Ian1779]

We’ve been here before but I want a Labour government. I supported Corbyn having a crack in 2015, he failed spectacularly (then got another go cos reasons). I support Starmer having a crack until he fails on the same basis.

weirdly for a few on here their priorities go: Corbyn >> Any other super left wing leader >> The Tories >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone not from the left of the PLP

Which is a take, but not one I understand.

You’re missing my point. I’m not sure that immigration mugs and ‘not Corbyn’ is gonna cut it for the wider electorate.
I may be wrong but every vote should be earned - that include ones from the lefties.

 

[PVA]

A begrudging vote and an enthusiastic vote count the same of polling day. Blair came to power with thousands of begrudging Labour votes. If that’s what it takes that’s what it takes.

I just don’t get the selfishness of it TBH. Actual peoples lives are actually worse when the Tories are in power. Me being able to be perfectly happy with every position of the PM comes a long way down the list.

I forget the quote but there’s a good one along the lines of political parties being buses, not taxis. You take the one that turns up and goes closest to where you want to go, you don’t stay at home complaining the number 27 doesn’t stop right outside your mates house.

Yep, I don't get it either.

Lots of Corbyn fans (on twitter etc, not referring to people on here) would genuinely rather the Tories win the next election than Labour so they can laugh at Starmer and say how useless he is. Fucking madness.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

A begrudging vote and an enthusiastic vote count the same of polling day. Blair came to power with thousands of begrudging Labour votes. If that’s what it takes that’s what it takes.

I just don’t get the selfishness of it TBH. Actual peoples lives are actually worse when the Tories are in power. Me being able to be perfectly happy with every position of the PM comes a long way down the list.

I forget the quote but there’s a good one along the lines of political parties being buses, not taxis. You take the one that turns up and goes closest to where you want to go, you don’t stay at home complaining the number 27 doesn’t stop right outside your mates house.

I mean you talk about selfishness while Smarmer sneered at his bread and butter base going on strike in one of the most Labour cities in the country. And while he sneered at teachers concerned about going back into COVID classrooms in early 2021.

There’s a difference between not agreeing with him on every policy and feeling like he is actively sneering at your demographics. He’s not that likeable and his charisma is nil. Ironically he is actually the ‘condescending elite’ type that the party has been falsely accused of prior.

 

[shmmeee]

You’re missing my point. I’m not sure that immigration mugs and ‘not Corbyn’ is gonna cut it for the wider electorate.
I may be wrong but every vote should be earned - that include ones from the lefties.

Well the signs are pretty good at the moment TBH. It may not, but like those denouncing Corbyn before he’d even started: let’s wait and find out.

As for your second one: your vote has been earned on the big issues I would hope. I don’t know many lefties who don’t have public service funding and fairer taxes high up on their agenda. What you’re not getting is every single hobby horse issue checked off. Neither am I. I doubt anyone is, that’s politics.

I didn’t agree with all of Corbyn when I voted for him either. His foreign policies were bizarre at times, he’s anti science and some of his domestic policy ideas were nuts or stuck in 1973. But he was light years ahead on the important stuff like economics and public services compared to May or Johnson.

 

[Ian1779]

Yep, I don't get it either.

Lots of Corbyn fans (on twitter etc, not referring to people on here) would genuinely rather the Tories win the next election than Labour so they can laugh at Starmer and say how useless he is. Fucking madness.

You know that isn’t true…. it’s hyperbole.

 

[shmmeee]

I mean you talk about selfishness while Smarmer sneered at his bread and butter base going on strike in one of the most Labour cities in the country. And while he sneered at teachers concerned about going back into COVID classrooms in early 2021.

There’s a difference between not agreeing with him on every policy and feeling like he is actively sneering at your demographics. He’s not that likeable and his charisma is nil. Ironically he is actually the ‘condescending elite’ type that the party has been falsely accused of prior.

Nah, you’ve just never liked him and so take every 50:50 against him.

But yeah, sure, the way you pronounce “Coventry” is much more important than say climate change or proper education funding. Good job

You want charisma, keep doing what you’re doing to keep the current PM. What a lad!

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Nah, you’ve just never liked him and so take every 50:50 against him.

But yeah, sure, the way you pronounce “Coventry” is much more important than say climate change or proper education funding. Good job

You want charisma, keep doing what you’re doing to keep the current PM. What a lad!

Respectfully that’s 99% bollocks.

 

[Grendel]

Smarmer

 

[PVA]

I mean you talk about selfishness while Smarmer sneered at his bread and butter base going on strike in one of the most Labour cities in the country.

Let's suppose for a second that privately he does sneer at Coventry and other similar places. He is a smart man - do you think he'd really openly sneer at Coventry on live TV?

He was not laughing at Coventry or the people of Coventry.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I'm not sure if I'm included in the weird few but as far as I'm concerned this simply isn't true.

I've said Corbyn had his chance and failed and is now part of the past.
I said I was prepared to give Starmer a chance, I said I really liked the ten pledges.
But since then he has done very little to enthuse or inspire me.
And as far as Im concerned he has not made any effort to Unite the party despite saying he would.
When push comes to shove I may well vote for him because he's not whoever the incumbent is at the time of the next GE but that's hardly a ringing endorsement.

All of what you've said is fair, but at this point there is a crux.

If you don't get behind him or Labour you're getting more of the Tories and maybe Johnson.

Now, is that preferable to Starmer, despite his shortcomings?

I'm not a Labour supporter, but if there was a GE tomorrow I'd be voting for them purely because it's the only opportunity to get rid of the Tories, and that has to be the priority.

 

[Ian1779]

Let's suppose for a second that privately he does sneer at Coventry and other similar places. He is a smart man - do you think he'd really openly sneer at Coventry on live TV?

He was not laughing at Coventry or the people of Coventry.

It doesn’t matter whether you or I think upon consideration that is true…. there will be people he needs to vote for him that will believe that and be switched off.

 

[PVA]

Fuck sake

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Let's suppose for a second that privately he does sneer at Coventry and other similar places. He is a smart man - do you think he'd really openly sneer at Coventry on live TV?

He was not laughing at Coventry or the people of Coventry.

I mean I don’t know how you listen to that clip and come to any other conclusion. He literally was laughing at it. He’s laughed at teachers with Boris in the Commons before too.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

You’re missing my point. I’m not sure that immigration mugs and ‘not Corbyn’ is gonna cut it for the wider electorate.
I may be wrong but every vote should be earned - that include ones from the lefties.

Are the Tories 'earning' the votes? Or is talking shit that pushes peoples buttons but you have no real intention of doing and having a catchy three word slogan enough to classify?

 

[Grendel]

Let's suppose for a second that privately he does sneer at Coventry and other similar places. He is a smart man - do you think he'd really openly sneer at Coventry on live TV?

He was not laughing at Coventry or the people of Coventry.

He wouldn’t even know where it was - what I can’t wait for at election time is him and Angela in the northern clubs and pubs and the look of utter horror as working class people start talking to him

 

[PVA]

He wouldn’t even know where it was - what I can’t wait for at election time is him and Angela in the northern clubs and pubs and the look of utter horror as working class people start talking to him

Yes how on earth will the son of a toolmaker and a nurse from a working class background talk to working class people?

Meanwhile Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson can really connect with them.

 

[Grendel]

Yes how on earth will the son of a toolmaker and a nurse from a working class background talk to working class people?

Meanwhile Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson can really connect with them.

well superficially he can and he doesn’t look like he has a bad smell under his nose

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Yes how on earth will the son of a toolmaker and a nurse from a working class background talk to working class people?

Meanwhile Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson can really connect with them.

To be fair there are plenty of people from working class backgrounds who don't feel comfortable in that setting and talking to people. Starmer doesn't seem particularly at ease with the general public (probably from fear of sayig or doing something wrong) and his interests won't align with many working class people's.

Johnson on the other hand just doesn't care that much and so comes across as more natural and a man of the people, even though he's not.

basically, Boris can fake it, Starmer can't.

 

[Grendel]

To be fair there are plenty of people from working class backgrounds who don't feel comfortable in that setting and talking to people. Starmer doesn't seem particularly at ease with the general public (probably from fear of sayig or doing something wrong) and his interests won't align with many working class people's.

Johnson on the other hand just doesn't care that much and so comes across as more natural and a man of the people, even though he's not.

basically, Boris can fake it, Starmer can't.

The toolmaker also paid his fees at his private school

 

[Ian1779]

Are the Tories 'earning' the votes? Or is talking shit that pushes peoples buttons but you have no real intention of doing and having a catchy three word slogan enough to classify?

A party that managed to convince the populous that Jacob Rees-Mogg is a ‘man of the people’ has no intention of doing anything other than conning people - but somehow it works.