Legia Sky Blue
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I've thought for a long time that only season long loans should be permitted (with no recall options). PL clubs hoarding players is just not good for the game in my opinion.
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I've thought for a long time that only season long loans should be permitted (with no recall options). PL clubs hoarding players is just not good for the game in my opinion.
Skybluedownunder
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If someone’s buying Chelsea for £3 billion they will not just be handing out bargins… they will be wanting their money back where they can
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Skybluedownunder
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Don’t blame him, MK Dons have quite a team of talent to be fair
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Sky Blue Harry H
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Even when we played them in L1, you could tell they were a team that always tried to play a decent style of football (unlike a Rotherham). Amazed that Lewington is still going for them. 38 next month ! Fair play to him.
fernandopartridge
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Yeah clocked he was playing v Sheff Wed, he's played well over 700 matches for them. Made his debut when they were called Wimbledon still.
He's looking a bit portly now
Terry Gibson's perm
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I think only players that are under 21 should be allowed to be loaned otherwise you get ridiculous situations like Drinkwater at Reading and players that Chelsea loan out year after year.
shmmeee
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What do you do with a Walker or a Waghorn though? Or even a Jody Jones?
PUSB-We_are_going_up
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JJ is out of contract end of the season so there is one solution, Walker I think someone would take a punt on him considering he has shown what he can do in the past just needs the right guidance, Waghorn I suppose loaning out but we would still be paying a chunk of his wages
shmmeee
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I meant if you restrict loans to U21s. All have/would/could benefit from a loan at an older age.
It’s not all Chelsea hoarding people in their mid twenties, even if I agree with the trust of the idea.
Agree with your points tho. Think Waghorn will be the hardest to shift.
KenilworthSkyBlue
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Terrible idea.
If you're like us, who will start the summer with multiple players (most of which are on high contracts) that are likely to not play a part next season, how would you feasibly free up their wages? Equally, what happens if a player is unhappy and wants a move but the club can't afford to come to a mutual agreement?
Bringing that kind of law in would be a massive hinderance for both clubs and players.
Sky Blue Harry H
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First season for him - I think he still could step up next season, although @better days seemed to suggest he would be happy to move on next season (iirc?)
Terry Gibson's perm
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It is the only way to stop them hoarding players which will then bring the wages down.
I’m more talking prem players down than anything else but if you loan to the same league the players should be able to play against parent teams.
KenilworthSkyBlue
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It really isn't. Nor will it bring wages down.
You do realise there's new regulations which state clubs can no longer send more than eight players out on loan in any given season.
That's automatically going to put a grinding halt to Chelsea's ridiculous loan model.
Terry Gibson's perm
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How would you suggest to stop the hoarding as there are players at Chelsea (a soft target) that have never been near the first team and I guess other clubs the same.
Liquid Gold
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Squad size limits.
25 first team.
25 U23
25 U18
You want more you have to sell/release.
Scrap the loan system completely.
25 first team.
25 U23
25 U18
You want more you have to sell/release.
Scrap the loan system completely.
KenilworthSkyBlue
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You think it's a much bigger problem than it is.
Chelsea's model is already backfiring on them. You just have to look at the fact that more youth players are now refusing new contracts to prove that. The departures of Lewis Bate, Myles Peart-Harris and Tino Livramento are recent examples of this.
Terry Gibson's perm
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I look at Sambou if he had stopped with us and played in the first team would he have ended up like Callum Wilson equally he could have been a Shaun Jeffers.
I think it’s better to get the youngsters playing rather than their potential loan spot taken up by someone like Drinkwater. So limiting the numbers of older ones may get the younger ones out to play.
KenilworthSkyBlue
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Exactly the arguement is completely mute so there's no point making it.
You're making it sound like they're forced to go. Players like Sambou have their own free will you can't prohibit these players getting a move which really is a life changing opportunity for them.
But that's football, clubs have to remain competitive. Bringing a rule in like that could potentially cause the quality of English football to regress as it would make the prospect of playing in England hazardously uncertain. You're not seeing the bigger picture here.
mark82
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Nope, but they are in the single market & schengen zone so have freedom of movement. Leaving the EU has meant that market is now more restricted. Wouldn't apply to Ostigard anyway as has settled status.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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I don't think it does stop hoarding, because they'll still have the incentive to bring in as many youngsters as possible because they can still loan them out and either a. get a first team player b. sell them for a tidy sum because they've played for Chelsea/Man City etc.
No-one really signs older players (except goalies) with the intention of loaning them out as it's a waste of everyone's time and money. With older players, the teams loaning them would be getting a finished product, the player gets games and the parent club free up some wages.
With young players team tend to get raw or unfinished products that they knock the edges off for the benefit of the parent club. All those Chelsea loanees have probably got more development from other clubs they've been on loan at than Chelsea, yet Chelsea would be the ones to receive a development fee if they moved on. Possibly along with loan fees paid by the loaning club. Really not a fair system and it's the young players being loaned out that is the problem and needs to be restricted, by making it so they are more likely to end up contracted to a 'lesser' club who would then benefit from their development.
I think there's a few things that would be more effective than banning loans for over-21;s
1. Loans out capped (as seems to be being discussed)
2. Squad limits so excess U21 players etc. have to be released
3. You cannot get any type of transfer/development/sell-on fee for any player over 21 who does not make a first team appearance during the previous season (unless mitigating circumstances like serious injury)
TomS91
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Just come on. Fair to say he won't be interested in joining us!
Sky Blue Harry H
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Andy Carroll not being kept at WBA. He is still a quality centre forward - probably end u at Sheff Utd or the like (if they don't go up)
thekidfromstrettoncamp
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A guy who has a 1 in 10 convertion rate in the last 4 years We have enough dead wood to move on without adding to it.
thekidfromstrettoncamp
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Why not take a punt on Cov. kid Marcus Harness winger Portsmouth decent goalscoring and assist record 26 years old?
Frostie
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About to have his deal extended so he'll cost big money & I'm not convinced by him anyway.
SIR ERNIE
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Scott Twine looking a proper player away at Plymouth today.
larry_david
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That Wimbledon lads banged two in as well
no_loyalty
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He’s scored 4 out of the 5 goals, he will be playing in the Championship next season no matter what.
Skybluedownunder
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There’s no chance we are going to be able to get Twine… he will be a wanted man this summer for sure
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thekidfromstrettoncamp
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Me and a few others have been banging on about him for quite a bit.As for having no chance of getting him(sky blues downunder) why not we are shifitng season tickets well ,and if to be believed we will sell 1 of the big 3 (hope not) we will sureiy be able to compete to buy players like Twine and others who command a fee if not why not?
no_loyalty
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Freddie Ladapo is available on a free, worth the gamble?
andrew.roberts
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I've always liked what I've seen of Todd Cantwell who didn't even get into his loan club Bournemouth's match day squad yesterday. I seem to remember that he was very complimentary about the City after we'd played Norwich, his parent club, last year too. Would probably command a decent fee but if we have to unload one or two of our big three/four then in my humble opinion he might be a decent investment for us.
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Not convinced.
Think he could have a bit of a Bertie Big Bollocks attitude here and fee/wages would be very high.
Think he could have a bit of a Bertie Big Bollocks attitude here and fee/wages would be very high.
Liquid Gold
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Not for me. Unless we’re trying to follow the Rotherham yo-yo model we need better.
andrew.roberts
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He definitely gives that impression but I was surprised when I heard an interview with him how grounded he appeared to be. It's also been a while since we had someone who is able to wind up the opposition on the pitch.I wholeheartedly agree that his wage demands would probably be out of our range however.
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